sozobe
 
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Tue 5 Jun, 2007 11:08 am
Here are some more details about the poll:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/06/05/america/NA-POL-US-White-House-Poll.php

Seems like it's anomalous among polls so may not mean that much.

I like that picture too, Cycloptichorn, but only in its (ironic) context -- without, I think it just plays into the "yeah, dude thinks he's Superman" criticisms.
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HokieBird
 
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Tue 5 Jun, 2007 11:08 am
www.obamawall.com
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Tue 5 Jun, 2007 11:10 am
sozobe wrote:
Here are some more details about the poll:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/06/05/america/NA-POL-US-White-House-Poll.php

Seems like it's anomalous among polls so may not mean that much.

I like that picture too, Cycloptichorn, but only in its (ironic) context -- without, I think it just plays into the "yeah, dude thinks he's Superman" criticisms.


Who cares? The knuckle-draggers are going to hate him anyways, and it's a cute picture for everyone else.

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
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Tue 5 Jun, 2007 11:16 am
Well, there are more categories than "Obama supporters" and "Obama haters." There are a lot of people who are receptive but aren't quite sure what they think yet.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Tue 5 Jun, 2007 11:22 am
sozobe wrote:
Well, there are more categories than "Obama supporters" and "Obama haters." There are a lot of people who are receptive but aren't quite sure what they think yet.


Fair enough.

To me, Obama is not in a bad position. He's like the underdog in a football game; you don't have to be winning the whole time, you just need to hang in there until the 4th quarter - and then strike!

Cycloptichorn
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Butrflynet
 
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Tue 5 Jun, 2007 01:53 pm
This week's activity report from the campaign to group administrators:

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June 5 - June 10, 2007


Barack Obama Schedule: Barack Obama returned to Nevada last week where he addressed a crowd of 4,000 in Reno on Thursday and a crowd of 3,000 in Las Vegas on Friday afternoon. He wrapped up the week with a community kickoff event in Seattle, Washington where more than 5,000 people gathered to hear him speak about his commitment to changing this country.

On Sunday night, he participated in the CNN/WMUR debate in Manchester, NH and Monday morning he returned to Chicago to speak at a Rainbow PUSH Coalition event. On Saturday, he will kick off a nationwide day of action called "Walk for Change" by addressing volunteers in Dubuque, Iowa. An unprecedented event in primary politics, Walk for Change will touch all 50 states with thousands of supporters going door-to-door to talk about why they support this movement for change.

Michelle Obama Schedule: On Wednesday, Michelle Obama is kicking off the Georgia chapters of Women for Obama and Students for Obama in Atlanta at the Georgia Freight Depot.

Presidential Debate: At the Democratic debate in New Hampshire on Sunday night, Barack Obama showed that he is a strong leader for change: change in Iraq, change on health care and a change in our politics. An opponent of the Iraq war from the start, he spoke about the damage it has done to our security by creating a new front for terrorism, and by diverting our resources and attention from Osama bin laden and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. He made clear his resolve to protect our country and rebuild our frayed alliances around the world.

Health Care: In a speech last Tuesday at the University of Iowa Medical Campus <http> , Barack Obama laid out a universal health care plan that cuts costs by up to $2,500 for the typical family and covers every American. When Obama is President, we'll take five steps.




Once the plan is implemented, if there are still Americans who are not insured, we will find a way to cover them. But the major reason that 45 million Americans don't have health insurance is not because they don't want it, it's because they can't afford it. So if we want to cover every American, we have to cut costs for every American.

Iraq: Barack Obama has a plan to end the Iraq war by commencing a phased redeployment of U.S. troops out of Iraq with the goal of redeploying all combat brigades from Iraq by March 31, 2008. Letting the Iraqis know that U.S. forces will not be there forever is our last, best hope to pressure the Sunnis and Shi'a to come to the table and find peace.

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OCCOM BILL
 
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Tue 5 Jun, 2007 01:55 pm
Hey... I coulda swore Thomas wrote I was right about the Private-History using question, and it disappeared. Confused
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Butrflynet
 
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Tue 5 Jun, 2007 02:06 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
sozobe wrote:
Well, there are more categories than "Obama supporters" and "Obama haters." There are a lot of people who are receptive but aren't quite sure what they think yet.


Fair enough.

To me, Obama is not in a bad position. He's like the underdog in a football game; you don't have to be winning the whole time, you just need to hang in there until the 4th quarter - and then strike!

Cycloptichorn



Speaking of underdogs, you might enjoy reading this blog post from one of Barack's Punahou high school basketball team mates a few months ago:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/dean/CZRK#extended

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Can you feel it?
By Dean - Apr 6th, 2007 at 8:19 pm EDT



(What is this?) A reporter recently asked Senator Barack Obama about Hillary Clinton and he responded by saying "When your name is Obama, you're always the underdog."

When I heard Senator Obama call himself the underdog, I couldn't help but smile. Let me tell you a story about the good senator:




Barack "Barry" Obama and I played on the same freshman basketball team in Hawaii many years ago.

In our first preseason game, we were trounced by Damien High School by about 25 points. They basically ran us off the court with their fast breaks and athleticism. That was not a good day.

A few weeks later, we were matched up with Damien High School again. Much to our amazement, we played at a community center gym that had a short basketball court. I remember looking at the other team. They looked so quick compared to us. We were the underdogs but we had a plan this time around.

As we played, we slowed down the pace of our game, walking the ball up the court and we made sure Damien couldn't get into fast break mode. Of course, that short basketball court was an extremely lucky break for us.

Late in the game I set up for a 15 foot jumper on the right side of the foul line. As I went up, I saw Barry (Barack) move down to the left block next to the basket, his favorite shot. I jump passed the ball to him and he made a three-foot shot to keep us in the game.

As we ran back to play defense, I remember looking at Barry (Barack) and we could feel it. We both sensed that we could actually win this game! The other guys could sense it too and we eventually won by about 5 points. I distinctly remember how upset the other team was when we took control late in the fourth quarter.

On the bus ride home, we were hooting and hollering. We were just plain amazed about the 30 point turnaround from that excruciating first game loss to the second game victory just a few weeks later.

That game is the reason I smiled. Senator Obama is once again the underdog. He understands that this can be an awesome position to be in because you're not expected to win. However, if you have a good team, a great plan and a little luck along the way, you can shock the world.

Can you feel it now?


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Thomas
 
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Tue 5 Jun, 2007 02:07 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Hey... I coulda swore Thomas wrote I was right about the Private-History using question, and it disappeared. Confused

I did. I deleted the post because something was wrong with it, don't remember what. Then I didn't get around to correcting and reposting it. But yes -- the cream-skimming by private insurers has little consequence for the ones left behind as long as they can buy the government program at an affordable rate.

I'm just not sure I buy into your "tax cholesterol" logic. Wouldn't obese and parachuting patients be charged double if they opted for the private part of the system? They would pay for their lifestyles both in higher premiums to their insurer and in sin taxes to the government. That doesn't seem fair.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Tue 5 Jun, 2007 02:24 pm
Thomas wrote:

I did. I deleted the post because something was wrong with it, don't remember what. Then I didn't get around to correcting and reposting it. But yes -- the cream-skimming by private insurers has little consequence for the ones left behind as long as they can buy the government program at an affordable rate.

I'm just not sure I buy into your "tax cholesterol" logic. Wouldn't obese and parachuting patients be charged double if they opted for the private part of the system? They would pay for their lifestyles both in higher premiums to their insurer and in sin taxes to the government. That doesn't seem fair.
That dawned on me as well, but I concluded there would likely be much switching from Private to Public among this group, on account of the life's other hardships that tend to accompany poor health in greater frequency. Many of these 'switchers' would be switching precisely because their health had already gone to hell. Further; the choice is theirs to make in the first place.
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nimh
 
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Tue 5 Jun, 2007 04:56 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Nimh, there is no great distance between us on this issue. I agree that the system of Private insurers alone using Med histories is patently unfair. However; as soon as a government guaranteed alternative is voted into law, those "innocent" victims of illness are no longer left out; so where is the problem?

Depends wholly on what the government guaranteed alternative will be like.

OK, just - because its all I can do - to refer to how it was in Holland for decades, until a rightwing reform some two years ago. Like I said, the lower-income half were guaranteed a subsidized, standard low insurance fee. Used to be just 20-30 $/month, some 15 years ago, then went up to something like 40 $/month. (Well thats what you paid, your employer coughed up a larger share.)

Thing is - this standard insurance guaranteed that everyone had access to quality basic health care. Nobody had to wait until something was so bad, you could go to emergency care, cause you couldnt afford to see the GP. All that. It covered doctors visits, most medicine, hospitalisations and operations. But it was a basic insurance. If you wanted more - basically, if you wanted to top up your insurance to "private insurance" quality - you had to buy in additional packages, which came in different sizes. Well I guess its the same everywhere. I always took the extra dentistry package, and the "lowest" of the extra packages.

Those who needed the bigger extra packages were, aside from people who wanted alternative medicines or health resorts or just more luxury arrangements covered, people who needed some kind of really specialised care. Or who needed specialised care in greater frequency, like, six times a year instead of the max two times covered by the standard insurance.

OK, so thats where Im coming from. Thats why say, it depends. If, under a hypothetical Obama presidency, the state-guaranteed alternative gets to cover all that is medically necessary, then you're right, there is no problem. But if it's more like the past Dutch example, where that package covers basic needs but does not suffice for those in need of most specialised or intense medical care - if those people will have to turn to regular private insurance to cover that - then it does matter whether those insurance companies can filter out the more "bothersome" clients on the basis of medical histories.

I mean, what you'd want to avoid is where those who need the insurance / private insurance / extra insurance the most, are the least likely to be able to access it at less than prohibitive cost.

As for the idea that an insurance company can throw you out if you become too expensive, as in the example Xingu gave of the woman who got cancer and was then dropped, thats just beyond the effin' pale to me. I mean, that goes against the very idea of insurance, and against the fundamental claim insurance companies sell their insurances on: "Better safe than sorry - pay up now even though you're perfectly healthy - because in return we guarantee you that if you become sick, we'll have your back." That insurance companies would be allowed to cash your checks while you're overall healthy or just need the occasional check-up or dentistry, and then drop you when you actually do become seriously ill - what is this, insurance company give-away heaven?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Tue 5 Jun, 2007 04:57 pm
Page 420 demands that you chill out, reader.

Cycloptichorn
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nimh
 
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Tue 5 Jun, 2007 05:11 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Thomas wrote:

I did. I deleted the post because something was wrong with it, don't remember what. Then I didn't get around to correcting and reposting it. But yes -- the cream-skimming by private insurers has little consequence for the ones left behind as long as they can buy the government program at an affordable rate.

I'm just not sure I buy into your "tax cholesterol" logic. Wouldn't obese and parachuting patients be charged double if they opted for the private part of the system? They would pay for their lifestyles both in higher premiums to their insurer and in sin taxes to the government. That doesn't seem fair.
That dawned on me as well, but I concluded there would likely be much switching from Private to Public among this group, on account of the life's other hardships that tend to accompany poor health in greater frequency. Many of these 'switchers' would be switching precisely because their health had already gone to hell. Further; the choice is theirs to make in the first place.

Yeah but it does seem like you're coming up with two solutions for one problem, which you want to throw in simultaneously. And because one of those two solutions (higher health insurance pricing for those with more health issues) involves a lot of arbitrary misdirection, impacting lots of people who are not sick because of any "bad-lifestyle" decisions as well, Id just throw it out, and stick to the other one.

I mean, in the end one's fate in health tends to involve a lot of .. well, fate. Sure, on average people living unhealthy lives will become sick more often than those fitnessing and non-smoking through their world. But there is so much deviation from the average. Lifelong smokers living to be 90. Health nuts struck by a series of strokes at 50. Whatever.

So using the price of health care provision as a policing/punitive tool to hold unhealthy livers to account will by definition be a grossly imprecise means.

If what you want to do is to encourage healthy lifestyle choices, discourage unhealthy ones, then stick to that end of the equation. People making unhealthy consumption choices - that's something you can tackle 1:1, at least in the most obvious examples. Smokes, booze, stuff like that. If you tax that extra, then you do know exactly that the people you're impacting are indeed the ones making unhealthy consumption choices.

I think medical care provision is just too vital, and involves too much of the random cruel fate we all get dished out, to play politics with like that.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Tue 5 Jun, 2007 05:12 pm
Obama's speech at Hampton today

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/06/quiet_riots_1.php

READ IT

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It is an honor to be here at Hampton University. It is a privilege to stand with so many ministers from across this country and we thank God and all His blessings for this wonderful day.

A few weeks ago, I attended a service at First A.M.E. Church in Los Angeles to commemorate the 15th anniversary of the LA Riots. After a jury acquitted 4 police officers of beating Rodney King?-a beating that was filmed and flashed around the world?- Los Angeles erupted. I remember the sense of despair and powerlessness in watching one of America's greatest cities engulfed in flames.

But in the middle of that desperate time, there was a miracle: a baby born with a bullet in its arm. We need to hear about these miracles in these desperate times because they are the blessings that can unite us when some in the world try to drive a wedge between our common humanity and deep, abiding faith. And this story, too, starts with a baby.

We learned about this child from a doctor named Andy Moosa. He was working the afternoon shift on April 30 at St. Francis Medical Center in Lynwood as the second day of violence was exploding in the streets.

He told us about a pregnant woman who had been wearing a white dress. She was in Compton and on her way to the supermarket. Where the bullet came from nobody knew. Her sister-in-law noticed a red spot in the middle of her white dress and said that I think you've been shot. The bullet had gone in, but it had not exited. The doctor described the ultrasound and how he realized that the bullet was in the baby. The doctor said, "We could tell it was lodged in one of the upper limbs. We needed to get this baby out so we were in the delivery room."

And here's the thing: the baby looked great. Except for the swelling in the right elbow in the fleshy part, it hadn't even fractured a bone. The bullet had lodged in the soft tissue in the muscle. By God's grace, the baby was fine. It was breathing and crying and kicking. They removed the bullet, stitched up the baby's arm, and everything was fine. The doctor went on to say that there's always going to be a scar to remind that child how quickly she came into the world in very unusual circumstances.

I've been thinking and praying about that story. I've been thinking that there's always going to be a scar there, that doesn't go away. You take the bullet out. You stitch up the wound and 15 years later, there's still going to be a scar.

Many of the folks in this room know just where they were when the riot in Los Angeles started and tragedy struck the corner of Florence and Normandy. And most of the ministers here know that those riots didn't erupt over night; there had been a "quiet riot" building up in Los Angeles and across this country for years.

If you had gone to any street corner in Chicago or Baton Rouge or Hampton -- you would have found the same young men and women without hope, without miracles, and without a sense of destiny other than life on the edge -- the edge of the law, the edge of the economy, the edge of family structures and communities.

Those "quiet riots" that take place every day are born from the same place as the fires and the destruction and the police decked out in riot gear and the deaths. They happen when a sense of disconnect settles in and hope dissipates. Despair takes hold and young people all across this country look at the way the world is and believe that things are never going to get any better. You tell yourself, my school will always be second rate. You tell yourself, there will never be a good job waiting for me to excel at. You tell yourself, I will never be able to afford a place that I can be proud of and call my home. That despair quietly simmers and makes it impossible to build strong communities and neighborhoods. And then one afternoon a jury says, "Not guilty" -- or a hurricane hits New Orleans -- and that despair is revealed for the world to see.

Much of what we saw on our television screens 15 years ago was Los Angeles expressing a lingering, ongoing, pervasive legacy?-a tragic legacy out of the tragic history this country has never fully come to terms with. This is not to excuse the violence of bashing in a man's head or destroying someone's store and their life's work. That kind of violence is inexcusable and self-defeating. It does, however, describe the reality of many communities around this country.

And it made me think about our cities and communities all around this country, how not only do we still have scars from that riot and the "quiet riots" that happen every day?-but how in too many places we haven't even taken the bullet out.

Look at what happened in New Orleans and along the Gulf Coast when Katrina hit. People ask me whether I thought race was the reason the response was so slow. I said, "No. This Administration was colorblind in its incompetence." But everyone here knows the disaster and the poverty happened long before that hurricane hit. All the hurricane did was make bare what we ignore each and every day which is that there are whole sets of communities that are impoverished, that don't have meaningful opportunity, that don't have hope and they are forgotten. This disaster was a powerful metaphor for what's gone on for generations.

Of course, the federal response after Katrina was similar to the response after the riots in Los Angeles. People in Washington wake up and are surprised that there's poverty in our midst, and that others were frustrated and angry. Then there are panels and there are hearings. There are commissions. There are reports. Aid dollars are approved but they can't seem to get to the people. And then nothing really changes except the news coverage quiets down.

This isn't to diminish the extraordinary generosity of the American people at the time. Our churches and denominations were particularly generous during this time, sending millions of dollars, thousands of volunteers and countless prayers down to the Gulf Coast.

But despite this extraordinary generosity, here we are 19 months later - or 15 years later in the case of LA -- and the homes haven't been built, the businesses haven't returned, and those same communities are still drowning and smoldering under the same hopelessness as before the tragedy hit.

And so God is asking us today to remember that miracle of that baby. And He is asking us to take that bullet out once more.

If we have more black men in prison than are in our colleges and universities, then it's time to take the bullet out. If we have millions of people going to the emergency room for treatable illnesses like asthma; it's time to take the bullet out. If too many of our kids don't have health insurance; it's time to take the bullet out. If we keep sending our kids to dilapidated school buildings, if we keep fighting this war in Iraq, a war that never should have been authorized and waged, a war that's costing us $275 million dollars a day and a war that is taking too many innocent lives -- if we have all these challenges and nothing's changing, then every minister in America needs to come together -- form our own surgery teams -- and take the bullets out.

So what's stopping us? What's stopping us from taking these bullets out and rebuilding our families, our communities, our nation and our faith in one another? What's stopping us from seeing the light and the way and the faith that unites us?

Well, I've been on a journey trying to get at the truth of that question.

That journey started a long time ago in Hawaii, but it got interesting when I moved to Chicago. I moved there when I was just a year out of college, and a group of churches offered me a job as a community organizer so I could help rebuild neighborhoods that had been devastated by the closing of steel plants.

They didn't pay me much, but they gave me enough to live on plus something extra to buy an old, beat-up car, and so I took the job and drove out to Chicago, where I didn't know a soul. And during the time I was there, we worked to set up job training programs for the unemployed and after school programs for kids.

It was also there - at Trinity United Church of Christ on the South Side of Chicago - that I met Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., who took me on another journey and introduced me to a man named Jesus Christ. It was the best education I ever had. At Trinity and working in the South Side, I learned that when church folks come together, they can achieve extraordinary things.

After three years, I went back across this country to law school. I left there with a degree and a lifetime of debt, but I turned down the corporate job offers so I could come back to Chicago and organize a voter registration drive. I also started a civil rights practice, and began to teach constitutional law.

After a few years, people started coming up to me and telling me I should run for state Senate. So I did what every man does when he's faced with a big decision - I prayed on it, and I asked my wife. And after consulting those two higher powers, I decided to get in the race.

Everywhere I'd go, I'd get two questions. First, they'd ask, "Where'd you get that funny name, Barack Obama?" Because people just couldn't pronounce it. They'd call me " Alabama," or they'd call me "Yo Mama." And I'd tell them that my father was from Kenya, and that's where I got my name. And my mother was from Kansas, and that's where I got my accent from.

And the second thing people would ask me gets back to the question about why we can't seem to take the bullet out in this country and do the works and the deeds and unite this country.

They'd say, "You seem like a nice young man. You've done all this great work. You've been a community organizer, and you teach law school, you're a civil rights attorney, you're a family man - why would you wanna go into something dirty and nasty like politics?"

And I understand the question, and the cynicism. We all understand it.

We understand it because we get the sense today that politics has become a business and not a mission. The leaders in Washington have forgotten President Kennedy's call to remember that "here on Earth God's work must truly be our own."

In the last several years, we have seen Washington become a place where driving the wedge to further divide us and keeping score of who's up and who's down is more important than who's working on behalf of the sick and the hungry and the lonely.

We have been told that our mounting debts don't matter, that the economy is doing great, and that people's anxieties about rising health care costs and disappearing pensions aren't a big deal. We've been told that climate change is a hoax, that our broken schools cannot be fixed, and that we are destined to send millions of dollars a day to Mideast dictators for their oil.

And when it comes to faith, we've been told that all that matters is what divides us - Evangelicals from Mainline Protestants, the Black church from the White church, Catholics from Protestants from Muslims from Jews.

And when we try to have an honest debate about the crises we face, whether it's from the pulpit or the campaign trail, the pundits don't want us to find common ground, they want us to find someone to blame. They want to divide us into Red States and Blue States, and tell us to always point the finger at somebody else - the other party, or gay people, or people of faith, or immigrants.

This journey teaches us that they are going to keep driving that wedge; they are going to keep the distraction going. They are going to keep our faiths separate until we shout from the mountain top, "Our Father who art in heaven, we are going to take the bullets out. We believe in your will and your way."

Right here in this room, we believe that God is big enough to overcome the smallness of our politics; that He is big enough to overcome our doubts and our cynicism and our worries; that He is big enough to love children of every color and creed and political label.

Ministers, it's time to unite behind our faith and help all of God's children around the world and here at home realize that we are all surgeons. Our faith, the word and his will are the instruments we need to take the bullets out.

Let's start with fighting poverty.

There are 37 million Americans who are poor. Most work. Most are single mothers and children. And most are forgotten by leaders in Washington. It's time to take the bullet out and lift the poor out of despair and into the middle class of America.

That's why throughout my years in the Illinois State Senate and every day of this campaign, I've been fighting to expand the EITC, create a living wage, put a qualified teacher and more math and science teachers in our struggling schools, increase Pell Grants so more people can go to college, build more homes people can afford, go after predatory lenders, and make sure we rebuild New Orleans and the Gulf. We've been working hard to take those bullets.

But we need to do more to fight poverty in this country. I need your support to do that. And I want to tell you quickly about a few new ideas I have today.

We can diminish poverty if we approach it in two ways: by taking mutual responsibility for each other as a society, and also by asking for some more individual responsibility to strengthen our families.

If we want to stop the cycle of poverty, then we need to start with our families.

We need to start supporting parents with young children. There is a pioneering Nurse-Family Partnership program right now that offers home visits by trained registered nurses to low-income mothers and mothers-to-be. They learn how to care for themselves before the baby is born and what to do after. It's common sense to reach out to a young mother. Teach her about changing the baby. Help her understand what all that crying means, and when to get vaccines and check-ups.

This program saves money. It raises healthy babies and creates better parents. It reduced childhood injuries and unintended pregnancies, increased father involvement and women's employment, reduced use of welfare and food stamps, and increased children's school readiness. And it produced more than $28,000 in net savings for every high-risk family enrolled in the program.

This works and I will expand the Nurse-Family Partnership to provide at-home nurse visits for up to 570,000 first-time mothers each year. We can do this. Our God is big enough for that.

We need to give our young people some real choices out there so they move away from gangs and violence and connect them with growing job sectors. That is why I am also going to create a 5-E Youth Service Corps. The "E's" stand for energy efficiency, environmental education and employment. This program would directly engage disconnected and disadvantaged young people in energy efficiency and environmental service opportunities to strengthen their communities while also providing them with practical skills and experience in important and growing career field. We can do this. When it comes to bringing hope and real job opportunities to our young people, we can take the bullet out. Our God is big enough for that.

We know what works. We know that supporting ex-offenders and their families keeps our men out of prison. That makes a difference in our families and can stop the cycle of poverty. That is why I will expand federal programs that help ex-offenders and sign the Second Chance Act into law.

As president, I will do more to strengthen support to state correctional systems so that ex-offenders can meet their parole requirements without worrying about losing their jobs. I will create a prison-to-work incentive program, modeled on the successful Welfare-to-Work program. It would create strong ties with employers, job training agencies and ex-offenders to improve job retention rates. And I will reach out to all the Reverends and engage faith-based organizations to provide support for ex-offenders and their families, both during incarceration and after. We can do that for our families. Our God is a forgiving God. He's certainly big enough for that.

But we need to do a better job making sure that there are jobs in our communities. We need to provide economic opportunity in every corner of our country if we want to take the bullet out.

We know that we have to invest in transitional jobs too. When there are people who are homeless, veterans struggling with post-traumatic stress disorder from this war in Iraq, and thousands of children aging out of foster care, we can't expect them to have all the skills they need for work. They may need help with basic skills?-how to show up to work on time, wear the right clothes, and act appropriately in an office. We have to help them get there. That's why I have called for $50 million to begin innovative new job training and workforce development programs.

But what good are these efforts if men and women can't afford the bus fare or the subway fare or the car insurance to get to the training center or new job. That is why, as president, I will invest in transportation.

We know that three-quarters of welfare recipients live in areas that are poorly served by public transportation and low-income workers spend up to 36% of their incomes on transportation. That is why I will fight to ensure that the federal Jobs Access and Reverse Commute program provides grants to improve low-income access to transportation. And that additional federal public transportation dollars flow to the highest-need communities. No one should be denied work in this country because they can't find public transportation in their neighborhood.

But we should do just as much if not more to invest in minority-owned businesses in our neighborhoods so people don't need to travel miles away in the first place. Right now, less than one percent of the $250 billion in venture capital dollars that we invest nationwide each year has been directed to the country's 4.4 million minority business owners. And in recent years, there has been a significant decline in the share of the Small Business Investment Company financings that have gone to minority-owned and women-owned businesses. We are going to change that and strengthen the Small Business Administration to provide more capital minority-owned businesses. We can do that.

And here's one final idea today that will help break the cycle of poverty - affordable health care for every American. Our God is big enough for that now.

The other day I met a couple who owns a small business in northern Iowa that hundreds of people in their community count on every day to get their internet access. But today they are on the verge of bankruptcy - and it's all because of their health care costs.

Seventeen years ago the husband had cancer. He's recovered now, but every year since then, his family's premiums have gone up, and they can't find anyone else who will insure them. They now pay forty percent of their income in health care premiums, they haven't been able to save a dime for their kids' college education, and they're having trouble paying for things like clothes and gas.

When the loan officer first uttered the word "bankruptcy," it was one of the worst days of their life. They said, "We have done everything right. We have done everything we were supposed to do. This is not who we are." This is not who we are.

I have a health care plan that will cover every American and cut the cost of every family's premiums by up to $2500 a year. If you don't have health care, this plan will offer you coverage that's similar to the kind federal employees and members of Congress give themselves. If you do have health care, it will bring down your premiums by investing in information technology, and preventive care, and by stopping the drug companies from price-gouging when patients need their medicine. It will help business and families shoulder the burden of catastrophic care so that an illness doesn't lead to a bankruptcy. And I promise you this - this health care plan will be signed into law by the end of my first term in office as President.

Before we can start that work, we need to end this war in Iraq. We are spending $275 million a day in Iraq. Those dollars could go a long way to ending poverty in this country. This war should never have been authorized and waged. I opposed it from the very start, back in 2002 when it wasn't popular to be against this war. I opposed it because I believed strongly that it could lead to the disaster we find ourselves in today, with our brave young service men and women mired in the middle of a civil war.

That's why I introduced a plan in January that would have brought them home by March 31st, while forcing the Iraqi government to meet its obligations. We need 16 Republican votes in the Senate to force this President to change course. This is the only chance we have to truly end the war. It's not symbolic; this is real. Sixteen votes and we can turn the page on this war. Sixteen votes and we can start bringing our men and women home. Our God is big enough for that. Our God is calling on us to do that.

We all know that our faith will be tested and challenged. It happens to each and every one of us. As some of you know, during the 2004 U.S. Senate General Election I ran against a gentleman named Alan Keyes. Mr. Keyes is well-versed in the Pat Robertson style of rhetoric that often labels progressives as both immoral and godless.

Indeed, Mr. Keyes announced toward the end of the campaign that, "Jesus Christ would not vote for Barack Obama. Christ would not vote for Barack Obama because Barack Obama has behaved in a way that it is inconceivable for Christ to have behaved." Jesus Christ would not vote for Barack Obama.

It nagged at me in that campaign because I did not respond with the full force of what I found that Sunday morning at Trinity United Church of Christ: that our faith can never be used as a driving force to divide us. That with a big God, with a loving and forceful God we need to unite in His name to finish His work on earth.

It reminds me of a simple truth: a truth I learned all those years ago as an organizer in Chicago?-a truth you speak of in your churches every Sunday. In the face of impossible odds, people who love their country can change it. With a uniting faith, with a God powerful enough to empower us?-we can take the bullets out.

We know how the doctors do it. We watch some of these TV shows like ER and Gray's Anatomy. The doctors are in the operating room. You've got a head surgeon, and one's got the scalpel, but others are watching the monitors and administering the IV. The nurses are on the job. The orderlies are on the job. There was a team that got the bullet out of that baby girl 15 years ago. She's got a scar on her arm, always will, but she survived.

America is going to survive. We won't forget where we came from. We won't forget what happened 19 months ago, 15 years ago, thousands of years ago. We know who the head surgeon is, and we're on the case. We're going to pull out bullet after bullet. We're going to stitch up arm after arm. We're going to wear those scars for justice. We're going to usher in a new America the way that newborn child was ushered in.

We're never going to forget there is always hope -- there is always light in the midst of desperate days -- that a baby can be born even with a bullet in her arm. And we can come together as one people and transform this nation. Our God is big enough for that.


Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Thu 7 Jun, 2007 11:20 am
Here's a link to Obama which shows just how powerful a speaker he can be - I like the last part, after Graham gets through with his histronics.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/07/obama-graham/

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
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Thu 7 Jun, 2007 11:27 am
I tried to get a screenshot but couldn't quite -- there's a moment when he's on for the second time, after Graham, and he looks up, and it's an expression I recognize; it's something like, "Sure, I'm nice, but you so don't want to **** with me..."

I really like that about him.

I saw something interesting about health care yesterday, I don't quite remember where, lemme try to find it back...
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sozobe
 
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Thu 7 Jun, 2007 11:29 am
Found it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/06/business/06leonhardt.html

Brief excerpt to give a flavor, but I recommend you read the whole thing:

Quote:
Let me add my name to the list of fans before the e-mail starts pouring in. Universal coverage is a great idea. The unlikely crew of Democratic state legislators, Republican governors and Democratic presidential candidates who have forced the issue onto the agenda deserve enormous credit. A world where everyone could afford health insurance ?- where no one had to choose between fixing a cavity and paying the rent ?- would be a much better place.

But if we are really at the start of a once-in-a-generation push to fix health care, we need to be clear about the true problem. The main reason so many people lack health insurance is because of its cost. And a big reason for that cost is the explosion of expensive, medically questionable care, be it knee replacement, preventive angioplasty or lumbar fusion. The route to an affordable health insurance solution runs straight through this thicket.
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blueflame1
 
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Thu 7 Jun, 2007 11:38 am
Obama: Surgeon General's office 'no place for bigotry' http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Bush_Surgeon_Gen._pick_criticised_for_0607.html
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Thu 7 Jun, 2007 02:23 pm
Nimh; I think we're in agreement on goal, and most of the division is being caused by the uncertainty in Obama's plan (ours, not his).
Things we agree on:
    Every human should be covered. No insurance company should be able to dump someone because they're expensive.


The disagreement came mostly from: In my argument; I am assuming that Obama's plan allows for every person to be covered completely. Conversely; your experience with the Dutch System was that the State version was incomplete. Were that the case; I would then agree with you that additional safeguards are required on the Private industry. If it isn't; I don't.

I think a chronic illness like the bear cub's is a perfect example of what a Government funded plan is for. I don't much care if that's called socialized medicine or not; I think adequate health care at a reasonable cost belongs in a great society's safety net.

Where we part ways, as usual, is in the individual responsibility and capitalism in general aspects of the situation. I do not believe, not for one fleeting moment, that the government is better able to produce a healthcare system that is better than that of private industry. Hence; as much as I too wish to see everyone covered, I also want to preserve the competition-advantages that monopolies destroy.

Without getting into all of the specific ways the quality of Health care would be diminished by a Single Payer system:
Competition in general forces industries to be competitive. This may be accomplished by lower prices, higher quality of services, or any number of other factors. Monopolies, on the other hand, have no such incentives. Obviously, the government is not going to let the Medical industry determine the prices government will pay... which means in essence; the government will determine by means of regulation standard fees, facility requirements, etc. ad nauseum. The problem is, like all forms of nationalized industry; you have decisions being made by people who aren't competent to make those decisions, and worse, corrupt decisions that have little or nothing to do with the legitimate considerations at hand. Private industry doesn't pay $200 for a hammer... but government mandated monopolies do.

The obvious results being salary caps that deter the best and the brightest from choosing medicine to apply their genius. Capped payments that deter medical facilities from updating their equipment one iota more than government regulation requires. Every unregulated improvement only serves to lower the bottom line, since the government pays the same regardless (Remember; in a competition based system, that State of the Art-though expensive-improvement can increase the bottom line, as well as the quality of care).
There can be no doubt that the quality of medicine would slide.

The basic problem with government control over industry is and has always been the same. People are competitive. If they can't compete to earn the most, they will compete to do the least. As evil as the former may seem; it's a hell of a lot better than the latter... especially in something as crucial as medicine. We need not turn the entire industry over to the incompetent hands of government to make sure everyone has access to affordable health care. And if we don't have to; we should not.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Thu 7 Jun, 2007 02:40 pm
Another utopian fantasy that needs to be exposed is the logical fallacy that government can regulate a fair playing field where poor people can expect the same quality of care as the rich. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. There is only one best cardiologist and he can't treat everyone. The best (and better) anything is always going to be the most expensive… and if you attempt to regulate out his ability to charge accordingly; all you will accomplish is replacing fair competition with a system of bribery where some parasitical piece of **** profits in lieu of the man who legitimately deserves the higher premium (which of course, discourages that man from existing at all).

Ask any former Soviet what government regulated "fair playing fields" accomplish; and he'll tell you it becomes a favor-system of friends and bribes where there remains a division of have's and have-not's; but now instead of the best and the brightest earning accordingly; the best-connected to the corrupt system do instead. At the top of the scale; the rich still purchase the best and everybody else suffers even more because the distribution ceases to be hinged to merit.
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