Obama '08?

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I don't think any of those bastards are worth the money that they have set the system up to give to them.

I think most governors in this country make about half (or less) than transit guy. The sherrif of that county probably made no where near that, but would be worth more, I'd think. Alas, he probably has to pay for his own mortgage. And transit guy, believe it or not, isn't the worst offender.

It all adds up. I guess I'd rather see some of that money going to hire more firemen...more law enforcement...or rehiring some of those 20,000 laid off teachers.

I have said before that we can't compare polls (vertically) because of differences in methodology. Rather, we should look at movement over time within polls (horizontally).

o I don't think the president is going to get much of any lasting bump out of tracking down OBL.

still roughly 30% of the population "approved" of this little Hitler.

You're talking about the past, but we still have problems with the American electorate. Many Americans still believe Obama increased their taxes when in fact he gave tax cuts to the middle class that was included in his stim bill. That was $288 billion in tax cuts.

Many Americans still believe Obama was born in Kenya.

****; I could go on and on about the ignorance of Americans, but I think you get my point.

****; I could go on and on about the ignorance of Americans, but I think you get my point.

Okie: And liberals still think Bush lied us into war.

The Bush Administration's Top 40 Lies about War and Terrorism
Bring 'em On!
by Steve Perry

Lie 2) The invasion of Iraq was based on a reasonable belief that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction that posed a threat to the U.S., a belief supported by available intelligence evidence.

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Here is the verdict of Gregory Thielman, the recently retired head of the State Department's intelligence office: "I believe the Bush administration did not provide an accurate picture to the American people of the military threat posed by Iraq. This administration has had a faith-based intelligence attitude--we know the answers, give us the intelligence to support those answers."

Elsewhere he has been quoted as saying, "The principal reasons that Americans did not understand the nature of the Iraqi threat in my view was the failure of senior administration officials to speak honestly about what the intelligence showed."

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0730-06.htm

And liberals still think Bush lied us into war

Fortunately, some of us actually remember what happened.

Ten Appalling Lies We Were Told About Iraq
It was a systematic campaign to frighten the hell out of us about the threat of Hussein, and almost none of it was true.
June 27, 2003 |



"The Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons."

-- George Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in a speech in Cincinnati.

Today, more than three months after Bush's stirring declaration of war and nearly two months since he declared victory, no chemical, biological or nuclear weapons have been found, nor any documentation of their existence, nor any sign they were deployed in the field.

The mainstream press, after an astonishing two years of cowardice, is belatedly drawing attention to the unconscionable level of administrative deception. They seem surprised to find that when it comes to Iraq, the Bush administration isn't prone to the occasional lie of expediency but, in fact, almost never told the truth.

What follows are just the most outrageous and significant of the dozens of outright lies uttered by Bush and his top officials over the past year in what amounts to a systematic campaign to scare the bejeezus out of everybody:

LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.

FACT: This story, leaked to and breathlessly reported by Judith Miller in the New York Times, has turned out to be complete baloney. Department of Energy officials, who monitor nuclear plants, say the tubes could not be used for enriching uranium. One intelligence analyst, who was part of the tubes investigation, angrily told The New Republic: "You had senior American officials like Condoleezza Rice saying the only use of this aluminum really is uranium centrifuges. She said that on television. And that's just a lie."

LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.

FACT: This whopper was based on a document that the White House already knew to be a forgery thanks to the CIA. Sold to Italian intelligence by some hustler, the document carried the signature of an official who had been out of office for 10 years and referenced a constitution that was no longer in effect. The ex-ambassador who the CIA sent to check out the story is pissed: "They knew the Niger story was a flat-out lie," he told the New Republic, anonymously. "They [the White House] were unpersuasive about aluminum tubes and added this to make their case more strongly."

LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." -- Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."

FACT: There was and is absolutely zero basis for this statement. CIA reports up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons program.

LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." -- CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.

FACT: Intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam and al-Qaeda in the early '90s, but found no proof of a continuing relationship. In other words, by tweaking language, Tenet and Bush spun the intelligence180 degrees to say exactly the opposite of what it suggested.