Obama '08?

@snood,

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Just because I'm not rushing into the inevitable "Our side's better than your side!" exchange that we are so practiced at, I wanted to just revel in the rare moment when we ALL can be proud and happy about the SAME THING.

I wouldn't rush into the "proud and happy" too quickly, Snood. Being an honest guy, you know how dirty the US always is on these things.

Lucky the "military" got him before he was able to talk. That would have been quite the messy affair for the US. Kind like a WikiLeaks gone crazy. There'd be no containing the deceit, the perfidy, the crimes, ... .

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Former FBI Translator: Bin Laden Worked for U.S. Right Up Until 9/11

Before you hear what Sibel Edmonds has to say, [in the YouTube link right after this quoted material you should know a little about her background.

Edmonds is a former FBI translator, who the Department of Justice's Inspector General and several senators have called extremely credible (free subscription required).

[Read on at the website as it has numerous hotlinks to other sources]

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/07/former-fbi-translator-bin-laden-worked.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWbyZSnHFkc

Isn't this just so typical of how the US treats its friends and allies?

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“That illustrates Henry Kissinger’s bon mot that the only thing more dangerous than being America’s enemy is being an ally, ... "

http://www.prisonplanet.com/bombshell-bin-laden-worked-for-us-until-911.html

Don't you think that this deserves its own thread, Snood? As a person that is interested in the truth, I'll leave that to you.

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@RABEL222,

Don't give our government any more ideas; we already spend too much on our military complex. We could cut our military complex in half, and still be the "superpower" military-wise.

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@RABEL222,

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Now lets get out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Packastan, and the middle east and let them know if they leave us alone we wont bother them.

There's still the question of reparations that the US owes for over half a century of stealing the wealth from those nations, the issue of the war crimes perpetrated by the US for that same period of time.

But beyond that, Rabel, there's this line of bullshit that you've tried to pedal above. The people of those lands have always left y'all alone. Tell me when the Afghan Air Force has dropped bombs on US cities, when Iraqi military forces landed on American beaches. How many countries from the ME have warships sitting in positions just offshore the US?

Really, can you explain to me why Americans wouldn't want to trade in the truth?

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@cicerone imposter,

Where did I say we needed to increase military spending. Getting out of foriegn countries would allow us to cut the military and even give us the ability to defend our mexican border.

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@RABEL222,

You didn't; I misread your post. My apologies. Sorry.

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@JTT,

Jtt you are jadded in your opinion of the U.S. and I have given up trying to reason with you on this subject because on this subject you have an waterman, Okie, and Ican mind set. There arnt enough facts to change your mind!!!

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@cicerone imposter,

Accepted.

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

Jtt you are jadded in your opinion of the U.S. and I have given up trying to reason with you on this subject

JTT is nothing like myself, Okie or Ican, JTT is an ignoranus.

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@RABEL222,

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There arnt enough facts to change your mind!!!

I'm not at all jaded in my opinion of the US. I like the US. I enjoy the US. It has a great deal to offer.

It's not opinion that the US is a nation that has committed numerous war crimes, instances of mass murder, torture, ... .

These other facts, there's never been any facts presented, Rabel.

Please, please please, just offer up even one of these "facts".

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

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Just because I'm not rushing into the inevitable "Our side's better than your side!" exchange that we are so practiced at, I wanted to just revel in the rare moment when we ALL can be proud and happy about the SAME THING.

I wouldn't rush into the "proud and happy" too quickly, Snood. Being an honest guy, you know how dirty the US always is on these things.

Lucky the "military" got him before he was able to talk. That would have been quite the messy affair for the US. Kind like a WikiLeaks gone crazy. There'd be no containing the deceit, the perfidy, the crimes, ... .

Quote:
Former FBI Translator: Bin Laden Worked for U.S. Right Up Until 9/11

Before you hear what Sibel Edmonds has to say, [in the YouTube link right after this quoted material you should know a little about her background.

Edmonds is a former FBI translator, who the Department of Justice's Inspector General and several senators have called extremely credible (free subscription required).

[Read on at the website as it has numerous hotlinks to other sources]

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/07/former-fbi-translator-bin-laden-worked.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWbyZSnHFkc

Isn't this just so typical of how the US treats its friends and allies?

Quote:
“That illustrates Henry Kissinger’s bon mot that the only thing more dangerous than being America’s enemy is being an ally, ... "

http://www.prisonplanet.com/bombshell-bin-laden-worked-for-us-until-911.html

Don't you think that this deserves its own thread, Snood? As a person that is interested in the truth, I'll leave that to you.

Dude, you are about a hairsbreadth away from getting my ignore button. If you want to explore this, or any other of your countless paranoias, do so without trying to drag me into them...

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@snood,

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Dude, you are about a hairsbreadth away from getting my ignore button.

It's interesting, Snood, that the only people who say this are Americans.

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If you want to explore this, or any other of your countless paranoias, do so without trying to drag me into them...

I didn't drag you into anything. You served and I hit the ball back to you.

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@snood,

You know what else just occurred to me, Snood. Other than that idiot, High Seas, this has come not from the okies, icans, h2omans, but from folks who one usually thinks of as "thinking folk".

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

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Dude, you are about a hairsbreadth away from getting my ignore button.

It's interesting, Snood, that the only people who say this are Americans.

If you want to explore this, or any other of your countless paranoias, do so without trying to drag me into them...[/quote]

I didn't drag you into anything. You served and I hit the ball back to you.

[/quote]

The mishapen mess you hit back to me didn't resemble at all what I "served". I'm not now, nor have I ever been interested or impressed by your constant drool about the evil that the USA does.

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@snood,

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The mishapen [sic] mess you hit back to me didn't resemble at all what I "served". I'm not now, nor have I ever been interested or impressed by your constant drool about the evil that the USA does.

Tell me something I don't know, Snood. Of course you're not interested in the evil that the US does. You have much too much a personal investment in the myths of American beneficence to address these FACTS.

Just look at your response to this, look at the "we got Osama" thread. There's not an ounce of remorse expressed for all the pain and suffering and death that y'all caused over this. There's not the slightest hint of reflection upon the US's absolutely vicious, nowhere near proportional, response to 9-11.

There's no discussion of who created this "monster", nor is there any thought given to what y'all inflicted upon the people of Afghanistan, still to this day, with your "foreign policy".

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

Ok, we got him. Now lets get out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Packastan, and the middle east and let them know if they leave us alone we wont bother them.

+ 100

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@blueveinedthrobber,

Now lets get out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Packastan, and the middle east, and promise every country that we've ever raped and pillaged that we'll never ever stick out big terrorist, murderous, evil nose in their affairs ever again.

The deafening response of people of the world:

Oh, how we wish that would come to pass!

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

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The mishapen [sic] mess you hit back to me didn't resemble at all what I "served". I'm not now, nor have I ever been interested or impressed by your constant drool about the evil that the USA does.

Tell me something I don't know, Snood. Of course you're not interested in the evil that the US does. You have much too much a personal investment in the myths of American beneficence to address these FACTS.

Just look at your response to this, look at the "we got Osama" thread. There's not an ounce of remorse expressed for all the pain and suffering and death that y'all caused over this. There's not the slightest hint of reflection upon the US's absolutely vicious, nowhere near proportional, response to 9-11.

There's no discussion of who created this "monster", nor is there any thought given to what y'all inflicted upon the people of Afghanistan, still to this day, with your "foreign policy".

You're so frikkin holy, aren't you? You think you can just slather everyone with the same broad brush and label them indifferent, or accessories to crimes, or any of the other inane stupidity you can't contain.

It probably won't mean anything to you because you're so blinded by your own righteousness, but I don't disagree that the US has culpability in a lot of things around the globe. And I don't now, nor have I ever considered myself a lockstep syncophant to the whims of the American government - even Obama's.

What I can't countenance is the foam-at-the-mouth obsessiveness that you seem to think is reasoned discourse. I don't tolerate the kind of evangelical zeal you focus your rants against the government with - from anyone, no matter what they're ranting about. It's not their opinions I can't stand - it's the singleminded lack of circumspection or balance that doesn't care so much about whether communication actually happens, but whether their view is the loudest one voiced.

The hell with you and your self-righteous judgements. Your opinions aren't any more important here than anyone else's.

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@snood,

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Cycloptichorn

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@JTT,

So its safe to assume that you favor a complete, 100% withdrawal of the US from every other country?

Would that include all of the medical aid, the food aid, the disaster relief, and every other type of aid the US provides?
Should we close the CDC to all foreign countries and doctors?
Should we stop all of the food we ship around the world?
Should we recall the US hospital ships that are stationed all over the world, helping in medical disasters?

Do you favor a strict isolationist policy for the US?

And I find it interesting that you wont say where you live, or where you are from.
You want to condemn the US with everything you type, but you refuse to divulge where you are from.
Is that because you are ashamed of where you are from?

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@mysteryman,

mm, Your problem is always in the extreme; all or none solutions. In the real world, choices and priorities should be made that best exemplifies humanity and sharing.

You mirror the conservative theme in the US; cut all government expenditures and give more tax breaks to the rich.

Dumb and dumber.

What I would love to see is the reduction of our military, and spend more to help our own people and the world.

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