Obama '08?

@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Your reactionary response was expected.

That's the squirt we all know and love.

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@parados,

Reactionary Parasites are a dime a dozen though

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@plainoldme,

I'll speak up for mysteryman too (as you do here). I always read what he posts, when I see it. I tend to read GeorgeOB and Finn but sometimes skip along. Roger is conservative to me in the original sense (not that I can define that), always readable. All these mentioned are different from each other, a spectrum of people I'll listen to, sometimes. I know there are more conservative a2k posters I get, these more immediately coming to mind.

I have to admire, or at least am in some kind of awe, at posters who continuously engage with people they think are repetitive goofs in some way. I simply don't have the interest. Our ideas re goofs may vary, and I'm sure I'm another a2ker's goof. I don't understand the energy going into it. On the bad side, this feeds them, whoever they is. On the good, arguing can put one's points out there yet again and again.

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@plainoldme,

Private businesses vary, from very big firms to one or two or four or eight person firms, and some are still called small with many more employees. I've been in several of the very smaller and none were greedy for money at the expense of others - not saying that is not possible. I don't assume every single large firm is either, and know of several fairly large and well run (in my view) firms.

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@ossobuco,

In addition to having personal experience with fairness in the allocation of salaries and benefits, I'm also familiar with some Silicon Valley companies that treat their employees very well - including free gourmet food, gym, and stock options.

The average salaries for engineers in many companies exceed six figures.

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Obama revealed: A moderate Republican

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he normal reason a party abandons its policy ideas is that those ideas fail in practice. But that’s not the case here. These initiatives were wildly successful. Gov. Mitt Romney passed an individual mandate in Massachusetts and drove its number of uninsured below 5 percent. The Clean Air Act of 1990 solved the sulfur-dioxide problem. The 1990 budget deal helped cut the deficit and set the stage for a remarkable run of growth.

Rather, it appears that as Democrats moved to the right to pick up Republican votes, Republicans moved to the right to oppose Democratic proposals. As Gingrich’s quote suggests, cap and trade didn’t just have Republican support in the 1990s. John McCain included a cap-and-trade plan in his 2008 platform. The same goes for an individual mandate, which Grassley endorsed in June 2009 — mere months before he began calling the policy “unconstitutional.”

This White House has shown a strong preference for policies with demonstrated Republican support, but that’s been obscured by the Republican Party adopting a stance of unified, and occasionally hysterical, opposition (remember “death panels”?) — not to mention a flood of paranoia about the president’s “true” agenda and background. But as entertaining as the reality-TV version of politics might be, it can’t be permitted to, ahem, trump reality itself. If you want to obsess over origins in American politics, look at the president’s policies, not his birth certificate.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-revealed-a-moderate-republican/2011/04/25/AFPrGfkE_story.html?hpid=z1

This would of course be the expected course, a chorus of people have been saying for years that the country has shifted hard to the Right, one would expect the parties and the president to move right. The problem here is that Obama asked for our vote on the claim that he is a lefty, and he still continues to insist that he is a lefty. At some point, if Klein is correct, Obama is going to find himself nailed to the cross on the grounds of deception. The American people expect a certain level of lying, and demand plausible deniability for the whoppers, having our noses rubbed into the fact that we have been played for chumps goes down hard, and requires blood to flow.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Here's BVT ready for another night of trolling for little boys.
Your parents basement?

no. your mother's rec room.

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Obama on Tuesday suggested that the government should consider eliminating the nearly $4Bn a year subsidies to the oil, natural gas and coal industries. This followed a comment by Rep House Speaker John Boehner on Monday that "It's something we should look at."
By Tuesday, a Boehner spokesperson said that any such action should be deferred until "... (W)e see all the facts."
I see that as code for let's punt this down the field past another election or so.

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@realjohnboy,

The devil is in the details, rjb. I think unfortunately that the term "subsidy" is highly misunderstood and mis-identified much of the time. For example, if I have heard many refer to something called the depletion allowance as a huge subsidy and undeserved, but in my opinion it is deserved. It is a logical part of doing business, just as depreciation or reduction of inventories are in countless other businesses. Here is the situation. An oil company spends big bucks on exploration and development to find and prove new oil and gas reserves in the ground, which perhaps can be likened to Walmart spending big bucks to stock up their warehouse with merchandise. That inventory, whether it be oil and gas in the ground or merchandise in the warehouse, it cost a bundle of money to put there. Just as Walmart can figure their taxes based upon what investment of merchandise is left in their warehouse after it has been drawn down, the oil company should be able to do the same. If I understand it right, the oil company gets a depletion allowance for drawing down their reserves in the ground. In my view, this is not a subsidy, but a fully deserved factor as part of doing the business that they are doing.

The above is but one example of many that probably exist within this subject of subsidies.

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@okie,

I know a lot about depreciation, somewhat less about depletion and even less about the subsidy thing. I agree with you, Okie, about that. We both are in over our heads here.
What irks me though is that the government has been doling out this money for years - under various administrations. And now, when questioned about the logic of the programs, we are told that "...(I)t is something we should look at." And "(W)e need to see all the facts."
Doesn't that sound like a deep punt down the field?

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@realjohnboy,

Depreciation and depletion are not subsidies at all. They are instead accurate accounting measures of cost and assets. They become politicized only as government involves itself in taxing profits (what's left over after costs are paid) and assets.

Even so subsidies can come in very deceptive forms, some involving direct payments; others tax credits; or the granting by government of monopoly powers (as with labor unions) or guaranteed market shares (as with currently popular mandates to utilities for mandating certain fractions of power generated to so-called "renewable" sources); or even racial quotas in schools or employment.

The one constant thing about subsidies is that they very quickly spawn well-organized and well-funded special interest groups and constituencies dedicated to the eternal preservation of the subsidy - even in the face of clear demonstrations of its ineffectiveness in achieving its stated purpose and often serious harm to the public.

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@realjohnboy,

Depletion is simply a way for government to provide credits or subsidies for known limited supply of a commodity for energy. They can estimate the volume of the commodity (limited) to provide companies that spend money to produce it for consumption to make sure those same companies continue to produce those commodities with the credits and/or subsidies to ensure there will be supplies in the future.

I'm telling it poorly, but that's the essence of depletion (allowance).

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@blueveinedthrobber,

blueveinedthrobber wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:

Here's BVT ready for another night of trolling for little boys.
Your parents basement?

no. your mother's rec room.

LOL!

That toothless black crack whore you're shacked up with isn't my mother.
Word on the street is that you are having a big LemonParty at your place tonight. Is it an Obama fund raiser?

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

blueveinedthrobber wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:

Here's BVT ready for another night of trolling for little boys.
Your parents basement?

no. your mother's rec room.

LOL!

That toothless black crack whore you're shacked up with isn't my mother.
Word on the street is that you are having a big LemonParty at your place tonight. Is it an Obama fund raiser?

btw that toothless crack whore is actually your grandmother.... the other toothless crack whore you thought was your auntie is actually your mother... she didn't have time to watch you AND operate her business out of that phone booth at the bus station..... and the party's on your face....everyone's coming.

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@blueveinedthrobber,

BVT, you are a worthless delusional mental midget - you are a white trash racists.

On the other hand, by comparison - you do make your messiah Barry Obama look better than ever.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

BVT, you are a worthless delusional mental midget - you are a white trash racists.

On the other hand, by comparison - you do make your messiah Barry Obama look better than ever.

Coming from the guy who said toothless BLACK crack whore..... you ******* idiot. Laughing

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@blueveinedthrobber,

BVT, you really have alot of HATE for black Americans... it must be penis envy.

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@hawkeye10,

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The American people expect a certain level of lying, and demand plausible deniability for the whoppers, having our noses rubbed into the fact that we have been played for chumps goes down hard, and requires blood to flow.

What a laugh, eh, Hawk. The American people accept the most egregious of lies.

"plausible deniability"; while Americans are going "Gawrshucks, that sounds reasonable", the world is doing deep belly laughs at your implausible stupidity.

Who is the dumbo that wrote that? Jebus H , talk about delusional!

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Well, the idiot rightwing has succeeded in distracting the whitehouse enough so that they had to release the long form birth certificate. It's really a shame. I suppose next they'll stop everything until he releases all his transcripts back to elementary school. then what? Maybe demand a public DNA test?

Meanwhile, we still have to do insignificant things like solve the nations economic problems, and wars and healthcare and energy needs and...

The teabagger rightwing is a a buncha frikkin bottomless pits of stupid.

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@snood,

Indeed. I've never though that larger parts of citizen's of one country, of any country, can act in such a way.

But would can you expect, if they are alike the handful of buncha frikkin bottomless pits of stupid posting here, too?

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