spendius
 
  -1  
Fri 8 Apr, 2011 05:31 pm
@plainoldme,
Think of the ruined men who failed to have a vasectomy at 17.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Fri 8 Apr, 2011 09:45 pm
@plainoldme,
As expected.
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ican711nm
 
  -1  
Sat 9 Apr, 2011 09:02 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Reagan had one of the highest tax rates,

Why is it that you LeftistLiberals distort reality so much?
Quote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2051527/posts
Partial History of U.S. Federal Income Tax Rates
MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM INCOME TAX RATES 1971 TO 2010
1971-1981: minimum = 14%; maximum = 70% [CARTER 1977-1981]
1982-1986: minimum = 11%; maximum = 50% [REAGAN 1981-1989]
1987-1987: minimum = 11%; maximum = 38.5%
1988-1990: minimum = 15%; maximum = 33% [BUSH41 1989-1993]
1991-1992: minimum = 15%; maximum = 31%
1993-2000: minimum = 15%; maximum = 39.6% [CLINTON 1993-2001]
2001-2001: minimum = 15%; maximum = 39.1% [BUSH43 2001-2009]
2002-2002: minimum = 10%; maximum = 38.6%
2003-2009: minimum = 10%; maximum = 35%
2009-2010: minimum = 10%; maximum = 35%[OBAMA 2009-2010]

dadpad
 
  1  
Sat 9 Apr, 2011 09:08 am
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:


cicerone imposter wrote:
Reagan had one of the highest tax rates,


Why is it that you LeftistLiberals distort reality so much?




Looks like one of the highest to me.
parados
 
  2  
Sat 9 Apr, 2011 09:13 am
@dadpad,
The second highest out of 10 is one of the highest. You can't portray it as one of the lowest or in the middle.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sat 9 Apr, 2011 09:46 am
@parados,
They also fail to see that the tax rate during Reagan's presidency was the highest since 1981 through to the current rates. Under this scenario, Reagan would not be considered a conservative. Most conservatives would see Reagan as a tax and spend president in today's world.

Also, when Sr Bush was president, the tax rates went up! Remember his "no new taxes" speech? LOL
ican711nm
 
  -1  
Sat 9 Apr, 2011 10:09 am
@cicerone imposter,
..........Leftist Liberals despise reality and the people who describe it!
.....................They continually villify conservatives for the damage they themselves have done and are doing to our Country!
[quote="cicerone imposter]ican, Back up your claims with detailed evidence/facts - not your silly generalized opinions that are based on ignorance. [/quote]
Quote:

Year……TOTAL US CIVIL EMPLOYMENT
1980………….. .........…….99.302 million [CARTER]
1988………...........…… 114.968 million [REAGAN]
1992………..........….… 118.492 million [BUSH41]
2000……….........…... .136.891 million [CLINTON]
2004………..........….… 139.252 million [BUSH43]
2006……….........….… 144.427 million [BUSH43]
2007………..........….… 146.047 million [BUSH43]
2008………..........….… .145.362 million [BUSH43]
2009………..........….… 139.877 million [OBAMA]
2010………..........….… 139.064 million [OBAMA]

http://www.deptofnumbers.com/unemployment/us/
US Unemployment History
Date .............National Unemployed Persons
February 2010............. 14,860,000
March 2010............. 14,943,000
April 2010............. 15,138,000
May 2010............. 14,884,000
June 2010............. 14,593,000
July 2010............. 14,637,000
August 2010............. 14,849,000
September 2010............. 14,746,000
October 2010............. 14,876,000
November 2010............. 15,041,000
December 2010............. 14,485,000
January 2011............. 13,863,000
February 2011............. 13,673,000


Total US Civil Employment during the period 1980 - 2007 increased from 99.3 to 146 million, and during the period 2007 - 2010 decreased from 146 to 139 million.
Quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_U.S._public_debt
Year………GROSS FEDERAL DEBT
1980.......$0.908 trillion [CARTER]
1988….….$2.602 trillion [REAGAN], average annual increase 1980 - 1988 = $0.2118 trillion
1992........$4.065 trillion [BUSH41], average annual increase 1988 - 1992 = $0.3658 trillion
2000.......$5.674 trillion [CLINTON], average annual increase 1992 - 2000 = $0.2011 trillion
2008.......$10.025 trillion [BUSH43], average annual increase 2000 - 2008 = $0.5439 trillion
2010.......$13.562 trillion [OBAMA], average annual increase 2008 - 2010 = $1.7685 trillion

parados
 
  3  
Sat 9 Apr, 2011 12:34 pm
@ican711nm,
Would you look at that ican..

Obama has 20% more people employed than Reagan did.

Reagan was such a putz. High taxes and fewer people employed.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Sat 9 Apr, 2011 01:47 pm
@ican711nm,
ican, You are a funny guy! You post records that shows that GW Bush increased our government 137 million to 145 million civil employees (FYI, that's a real growth in government); that's an increase of 8 million in eight years, a 5.8% increase. Obama decreased it by 6 million in just two years. As for cost, you must look at how much GW Bush increased it from $5.6 trillion to $10 trillion. The $3 trillion increase since 2008 was based on how GW Bush left our economy in great danger of falling into a Great Depression rather than the Great Recession, and money had to be spend (following GW Bush's lead on TARP) to save our banks, and to assist all those millions of folks who lost jobs and needed to be given assistance to survive. GW Bush also left Obama with two wars in the Middle East that cost billions every week.

Your inability to decipher numbers only makes you out to be one of the biggest jokers on a2k; you make yourself out to look how stupid you really are!

ican711nm
 
  0  
Sat 9 Apr, 2011 02:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2051527/posts
Highest and lowest Income Tax Rates 1913 to 2007
Partial History of
U.S. Federal Income Tax Rates Since 1913
Year(s) - .....Lowest Bracket....Highest Bracket.....President
1913-1915 -............. 1%............. 7%............. [Wilson]
1916 -.................... 2%............. 15%
1917 -.................... 2%............. 67%
1918 -.................... 6%............. 73%
1919-1921 -............. 4%............. 73%
1921 -.................... 4%............. 73%.............[Harding]
1923 -.................... 4%............. 56%
1923 -....................3%............. 56%............. [Coolidge]
1924 -....................1.5%............. 46%
1925-1929 -............. 1.5%............. 25%
1929 -.................... 0.375%............. 24%............. [Hoover]
1930-1931 -............. 1.125%............. 25%
1932-1933 -............. 4%............. 63%
1933-1935 -............. 4%............. 63%............. [Roosevelt]
1936-1939 -............. 4%............. 79%
1940 -.................... 4.4%............. 81.1%
1941 -.................... 10%............. 81%
1942-1943 -.............- 19%............. 88%
1944-1945 -............. 23%............. 94%
1945-1947 -............. 19%............. 86.45%............. [Truman]
1948-1949 -............. 16.6%............. 82.13%
1950 -.................... 17.4%............. 84.36%
1951 -.................... 20.4%............. 91%
1952-1953 -............. 22.2%............. 92%
1953-1961 -............. 20%............. 91%............. [Eisenhower]
1961-1963 -............. 16%............. 77%............. [Kennedy]
1963-1967 -............. 14%............. 70%............. [Johnson]
1968 -.................... 14%............. 75.25%
1969 -.................... 14%............. 77%
1969 -.................... 14%............. 77%............. [Nixon]
1974 -.................... 14%............. 71.75%
1977 -.................... 14%............. 71.75%............. [Ford]
1977-1981 -............. 14%............. 70%............. [CARTER]
1981 -.................... 14%............. 70%............. [Reagan]
1982-1986 -............. 12%............. 50%
1989 -.................... 14%............. 38.5%
1989 -.................... 14%............. 38.5%............. [Bush]
...
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ican711nm
 
  0  
Sat 9 Apr, 2011 02:32 pm
@ican711nm,
..........Leftist Liberals despise reality and the people who describe it!
................They continually villify conservatives for the damage they themselves have done and are doing to our Country!
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, Back up your claims with detailed evidence/facts - not your silly generalized opinions that are based on ignorance.

ican711nm
 
  0  
Sat 9 Apr, 2011 02:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
..........Leftist Liberals despise reality and the people who describe it!
.............They continually villify conservatives for the damage they themselves have done and are doing to our Country!

cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, You are a funny guy! You post records that shows that GW Bush increased our government 137 million to 145 million civil employees (FYI, that's a real growth in government

According to the source, "civil employees" are "non-government employees."
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 9 Apr, 2011 02:38 pm
@ican711nm,
ican, Reagan ran up the deficits while cutting taxes. He spent more than he took in, and enlarged the deficit from $80 billion to $200 billion; more than double. Your ignorance about federal deficits and how they impact our economy is lost on you!

Quote:
Downside of Reagan legacy
June 09, 2004|By David Lazarus

Ronald Reagan may have been a good and decent man.

As president, though, Reagan pursued policies that were short-sighted, reckless and, for many, hurtful. His economic legacy is one of deplorable disregard for the consequences of his actions, and the ramifications of Reagan's decisions remain with us to this day.

I'll focus here on just three issues: soaring budget deficits, homelessness and AIDS.

On the matter of deficits, Reagan nearly tripled the gap between the amount of money the federal government took in and the amount it spent. He did this by cutting tax rates by an average 25 percent, while aggressively increasing defense spending.
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In 1981, shortly after taking office, Reagan lamented "runaway deficits" that were then approaching $80 billion, or about 2.5 percent of gross domestic product. Within only two years, however, his policies had succeeded in enlarging the deficit to more than $200 billion, or 6 percent of GDP.

"It was an experiment," said Alan Auerbach, a professor of economics at UC Berkeley. "No one before Reagan had ever run such huge deficits during peacetime. He showed that you could smile and tell everyone not to worry and, politically, no one will call you to account."

This lesson clearly wasn't lost on the current occupant of the White House, who has followed the Reagan economic playbook virtually step by step in taking a budget surplus and turning it into a deficit this year of more than $520 billion, or 4.5 percent of GDP.

Runaway deficits

But runaway deficits do have consequences. They can lead to higher interest rates, exacerbate high debt-servicing costs and cause funding to dry up for important social programs, such as education and health care.
ican711nm
 
  -1  
Sat 9 Apr, 2011 02:48 pm
QED!
..........Leftist Liberals despise reality and the people who describe it!
...........They continually villify conservatives for the damage they themselves have done and are doing to our Country!
mysteryman
 
  3  
Sat 9 Apr, 2011 03:43 pm
@ican711nm,
You need to start singing a new song.
The one you are singing now is getting real old and stale.
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okie
 
  1  
Sat 9 Apr, 2011 08:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Ronald Reagan may have been a good and decent man.[/quote Agreed! Hurrah![quote]As president, though, Reagan pursued policies that were short-sighted, reckless and, for many, hurtful. His economic legacy is one of deplorable disregard for the consequences of his actions, and the ramifications of Reagan's decisions remain with us to this day.

I'll focus here on just three issues: soaring budget deficits,
I recall that Regain proposed some ig cuts of government, including the elimination of some federal departments, but the Demorats stonewalled him.
Quote:
homelessness and AIDS.
Come on, ci, you going to blame homelessness and aids on Reagan?

Quote:
On the matter of deficits, Reagan nearly tripled the gap between the amount of money the federal government took in and the amount it spent. He did this by cutting tax rates by an average 25 percent, while aggressively increasing defense spending.
Remember the Berlin Wall. It took a little money to bring it down. Remember too that tax revenues skyrocketed under Reagan, but Tip Oneil's Congress did not cut spending accordingly.
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plainoldme
 
  2  
Sat 9 Apr, 2011 09:36 pm
DEMOCRATS:

QUESTION OF THE DAY -


Cost of Budget Deal to keep Government Up and Running - 39.8 Billion Dollars

Cost of George W Bush Tax Cuts for RICHEST 2% over next 10 years - 690 Billion Dollars


Who wins in this equation and why aren't we getting this message out to the American people?
georgeob1
 
  2  
Sat 9 Apr, 2011 09:43 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

DEMOCRATS:

QUESTION OF THE DAY -


Cost of Budget Deal to keep Government Up and Running - 39.8 Billion Dollars

Cost of George W Bush Tax Cuts for RICHEST 2% over next 10 years - 690 Billion Dollars


Who wins in this equation and why aren't we getting this message out to the American people?


Evidently you don't teach mathematics. You are comparing the one year saving of one against the 10 year cost of the other. Hardly logical.

The fact is budget deal you cited will cover almost 60 % of the "lost" revenue from the delayued tax increases and will do so without the adverse effects on the economy.

Of course both the "lost" revenue from the delayed tax increases and the recent savings are trivial compared to the deficits the Obama Administration has piled on the backs of the American people.
plainoldme
 
  1  
Sun 10 Apr, 2011 07:16 am
@georgeob1,
Ah, jumping to conclusions. I posted this quickly last night but did not write it. However, why grouse? THe point of the matter is that bush cost the nation money with his ill-considered tax cuts.

You probably are not among the top 1%. Why are you supporting their greed?
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sun 10 Apr, 2011 09:53 am
@parados,
And a higher deficit; the stuff of which the tea party is now using as their primary message.

They want their cake and eat it too! Are they for or against? Both? LOL
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