Obama '08?

@ican711nm,

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Barack Obama is a socialist.

Bill Gates is a capitalist.

ican is a buffoon.

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Capitalists are earners who earn their living from those who earn their living.

Capitalists are often rapists and robbers. Not since the days of the robber barons have so few concentrated such a high percentage of wealth in their greedy hands.

Were you to meet some of your heroes, they might make you wear a Scarlet S . . . for sucker.

The sad thing is you would cheerfully do it.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Single-payer HC isn't socialism. It has nothing to do with Socialism at all.
Cycloptichorn
I was afraid you libs would make that silly argument. Is Medicare not a socialist program either? Or Social Security?

Do you know what socialism is? Or do you just think that any time we're not talking about companies competing with each other on the open market, that's socialism? Laughing

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Furthermore, Bill Gates makes no secret of his beliefs. Furthermore, he is trying to put his beliefs into programs while ican hides behind a fake name and cuts and pastes drivel.

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@Cycloptichorn,

You guys are awfully dense, cyclops. Seriously!!

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@ican711nm,

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Yes, but he does not advocate that all the rich must be compelled to support higher taxes.

Everyone is compelled to pay taxes. People go to prison for not paying them.

Does it make a difference which subset of our top 1% pays more taxes?

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@okie,

okie wrote:

You guys are awfully dense, cyclops. Seriously!!

You could try answering the question rather than insulting. I've been trying to keep this above-board.

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

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Only in practice, not in name.

Ah, the daily check on the state of okie's IQ. Down again.

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@okie,

Of course, when it comes time, okie will accept Medicare with open arms.

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Barack Obama is attempting to replace capitalism with socialism by incremental steps each of which he anticipates few people will attempt to stop. He learned this technique from people who learned this technique from Saul Alinsky among others.

What the socialists are apparently unable to comprehend are the obvious consequences of stealing from the productive (i.e., producers of goods, commodities, services, and/or investments) to fund the unproductive. While the productive will become poorer, the poor will also become poorer.

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http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=socialism&x=19&y=7
Main Entry: so•cial•ism Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: s sh liz m
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): -s
1 : any of various theories or social and political movements advocating or aiming at collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and control of the distribution of goods: as a : FOURIERISM b : GUILD SOCIALISM c : MARXISM d : OWENISM
2 a : a system or condition of society or group living in which there is no private property <trace the remains of pure socialism that marked the first phase of the Christian community -- W.E.H.Lecky> -- compare INDIVIDUALISM b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state -- compare CAPITALISM, LIBERALISM c : a stage of society that in Marxist theory is transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and payments to individuals according to their work

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=capitalism&x=22&y=8
Main Entry: cap•i•tal•ism Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: ( ) liz m, Brit also k pit l i-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): -s
Etymology: 2capital (wealth) + -ism
: an economic system characterized by private or corporation ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision rather than by state control, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly in a free market -- compare INDUSTRIALISM, LIBERALISM, SOCIALISM

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Barack Obama is attempting to replace capitalism with socialism by incremental steps each of which he anticipates few people will attempt to stop. He learned this technique from people who learned this technique from Saul Alinsky among others.
The valid evidence to support this allegation is huge. Here is only a sample:
The Roots of Obama’s Rage by Dinesh D’Souza, evidence for this allegation are the notes and references pp. 221 – 247
Radical In Chief by Stanley Kurtz, evidence for this allegation are the notes and references pp. 395 - 467

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

Of course, when it comes time, okie will accept Medicare with open arms.

What choice do I have? It is essentially manditory as far as I can tell. That is of course what socialists like, to force everyone to do what they want, leaving little to personal choice.

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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78945
By Aaron Klein
© 2011 WorldNetDaily
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Excerpt from New Party publication (Courtesy New Zeal blog)
JERUSALEM – Evidence has emerged that Sen. Barack Obama belonged to a socialist political party that sought to elect members to public office with the aim of moving the Democratic Party far leftward to ultimately form a new political party with a socialist agenda.

Several blogs, including Powerline, previously documented that while running for the Illinois state Senate in 1996 as a Democrat, Obama actively sought and received the endorsement of the socialist-oriented New Party, with some blogs claiming Obama was a member of the controversial party.

The New Party, formed by members of the Democratic Socialists for America and leaders of an offshoot of the Community Party USA, was an electoral alliance that worked alongside the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. The New Party's aim was to help elect politicians to office who espouse its policies.

Among New Party members was linguist and radical activist Noam Chomsky.

Obama's campaign has responded to the allegations, denying the presidential candidate was ever a member of the New Party.

But the New Zeal blog dug up print copies of the New Party News, the party's official newspaper, which show Obama posing with New Party leaders, list him as a New Party member and include quotes from him.
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@okie,

There's always a choice, okie. It's amazing how your creative mind stops when it has to do with your own survival.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

There's always a choice, okie. It's amazing how your creative mind stops when it has to do with your own survival.

Think again regarding Medicare. You can opt out for a while, but they will find ways to make you regret it. It is essentially mandatory for all practical purposes, as explained by a SS rep.

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@okie,

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I was afraid you libs would make that silly argument. Is Medicare not a socialist program either? Or Social Security?

Are you arguing that Reagan was a socialist?
Or doesn't it count when Reagan increase SS taxes in factoring socialism?

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@okie,

Yes, the gestapo will come after you!

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@okie,

Wow, then the people of the Westborough Baptist Church must be socialists as they want to force everyone in the country to do as they want.

Those Republicans who vote against environmental bills must be socialists.

Try harder, please.

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@plainoldme,

You missed your nap time again

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We are all socialist when getting money and capitalists when spending it. I bet every protester in Wisconsin is a keen hunter of bargains.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

We are all socialist when getting money and capitalists when spending it.

Earning ones money does not make one a socialists.
Spending other peoples money does not make you a capitalists.

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