ican711nm
 
  -2  
Tue 28 Dec, 2010 05:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, You didn't provide any evidence by your last post. It's evident to all of us that you don't know what you're talking about when it comes down to the interpretation of our constitution.

Your interpretation is all wrong; the SC has it right. You can't even understand our constitution, and you're a citizen of this country?

You need to stay in your cave - where you belong. Our society is doing fine without you.

You have not provided any EVIDENCE whatsoever that supports anything you have posted here.
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ican711nm
 
  -1  
Tue 28 Dec, 2010 05:42 pm
BOTH AMERICA’S CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT AND ITS ECONOMY ARE UNDER ATTACK

George Soros and his Democrat Party appear to believe their ends justify their means.

George Soros in his 1995 book, page 145, Soros on Soros, I do not accept the rules imposed by others. If I did, I would not be alive today. I am a law-abiding citizen, but I recognize that there are regimes that need to be opposed rather than accepted. And in periods of regime change, the normal rules don't apply. One needs to adjust one's behavior to the changing circumstances.

George Soros has owned and directed the Democrat Party since December 2004.

"Sam Hananel in his associated Press article, December 10, 2004,"] On December 9, 2004, Eli Pariser, who headed Soros's group Moveon PAC, boasted to his members, "Now the Democratic Party is our party. We bought it, we own it."

Soros … pushed for the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 which was intended to ban "soft money" contributions to federal election campaigns. Soros has responded that his donations to unaffiliated organizations do not raise the same corruption issues as donations directly to the candidates or political parties.

Soros gave $3 million to the Center for American Progress, committed $5 million to MoveOn, while he and his friend Peter Lewis each gave America Coming Together $10 million. (All were groups that worked to support Democrats in the 2004 election.)

George Soros has directed the members of the Democrat party to pass or continue legislation that violates the Constitution of the USA as lawfully amended. George Soros directed the federal government to adopt and/or continue the following such programs.

• Healthcare Reform:
http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_US/us/Industries/health-care-providers/center-for-health-solutions/health-care-reform/index.htm?id=USGoogle_hcreform_310&gclid=CKLi6PKDzKUCFUN66wodrlBmlA
National health reform is here. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the reconciliation bill are law. Together, they will trigger sweeping changes and disruptions — some rather quickly and some over many years.
http://www.naturalnews.com/026733_health_health_care_healthcare.html
What's really in Obama's health care reform bill? Almost no one knows, and here's why: It's 1,017 pages long and written in an alien form of bureaucratic English that can barely be decoded by earthlings.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2300451/posts
Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax."
• TARP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_Assets_Relief_Program
The Troubled Asset Relief Program, commonly referred to as TARP, is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector which was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008. It is the largest component of the government's measures in 2008 to address the subprime mortgage crisis. …
• Stimulus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, abbreviated ARRA (Pub.L. 111-5) and commonly referred to as the Stimulus or The Recovery Act, is an economic stimulus package enacted by the 111th United States Congress in February 2009.
• Fannie Mae
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_may
The Federal National Mortgage Association (FNMA) (OTCBB: FNMA), commonly known as Fannie Mae, was set up as a stockholder-owned corporation chartered by Congress in 1968 as a government-sponsored enterprise (GSE), ..
• Freddie Mac:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mac
The Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (FHLMC), known as Freddie Mac (OTCBB: FMCC), is a public government sponsored enterprise (GSE), headquartered in the Tyson's Corner CDP in unincorporated Fairfax County, Virginia. …

The Constitution does not delegate power to the federal government to transfer wealth from those who earned it to those who did not and do not earn it. The Constitution does specify that the federal government can take a person’s property to provide for the common defense and the general welfare of the United States.

Amendment X (1791)
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Amendment V (1791)
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment XIII (1865)
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Article I. Section 8 (1789)
The Congress shall have power To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; …

George Soros’s Democrat Party adoption and and/or continuation of the previously listed programs (Healthcare Reform, TARP, Stimulus, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac) , are evidence that they are adhering to the enemies of the USA, giving them aid and comfort, and arethereby guilty of committing treason.

Article III (1791)
Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

The Constitution of the USA as amended is part of the supreme law of the land.

Article VI
All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

George Soros has declared his intention to create a new world order through the suppression of the U.S. economy.

Quote:

http://sandrarose.com/2009/11/george-soros-plot-to-create-a-new-world-order-through-the-destruction-of-the-us-economy/
… George Soros … is a multibillionaire Globalist whose millions in political contributions financed Barack Obama’s campaign for president.
He is Obama’s biggest benefactor.
In this video, Soros basically tells America to stop resisting a New World Order and he’s hoping that China will lead the New World Order once the American economy [declines].
In other words, he’s telling us we should not resist the [decline] of our economy! … [Posted are] the highlights from his interview below in case you don’t have the time to watch the video. …
“…an orderly decline of the dollar is desirable”
“It’s ill-considered on the part of the United States to resist…”
“It is not necessarily in our interests to have the dollar as the sole world currency.”
“A decline in the value of the dollar is necessary in order to compensate for the fact that the U.S. economy will remain rather weak…”
“China will emerge as the motor replacing the U.S. consumer..”
“China will be the engine driving (the New World Order) forward, and the U.S. will be actually a drag that’s being pulled along through a gradual decline in the value of the dollar.”

okie
 
  -3  
Tue 28 Dec, 2010 05:58 pm
@ican711nm,
Excellent and informed post, ican. It encourages me to realize there are still many people that are staying informed and still understand what America should be.
JTT
 
  -1  
Tue 28 Dec, 2010 06:18 pm
@plainoldme,
Quote:
Okie wrote: Manner of speech does indicate ones command of facts and reason,


Quote:
POM replied: This might be an acceptable statement if cyclo wrote things like "he don't," "she ain't got no," or was guilty of subject-predicate disagreement or of writing run-on or fragmentary sentences. He is never does and he is not.


Neither manner of speech or the use of ""he don't," "she ain't got no," or [being] guilty of subject-predicate disagreement or of writing run-on or fragmentary sentences" has anything to do with one's command of facts or reason.

I'd like to see you explain this absolutely preposterous piece of nonsense, POM, given that your last sentence is neither standard or nonstandard English.

Does this now and forever mark you as a person whose command of facts and reason is zero or have you just been knocked down the sliding scale a notch or two?

Two words - Mark Twain

I'd ask Okie to do the same and explain his bit of nonsense but he shows in pretty much every posting that he has little to no grasp of facts or reason. See the post previous to this one for a clear example of this.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 28 Dec, 2010 06:22 pm
@okie,
ican is "many people?" LOL
JTT
 
  1  
Tue 28 Dec, 2010 06:46 pm
@ican711nm,
There is no evidence provided by citing portions of the constitution, Ican. You have to describe the portions of the relevant legislation and show how they conflict with the said document.

Surely, this isn't beyond you, a guy with such a vast, deep understanding of Con law.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 28 Dec, 2010 08:20 pm
@JTT,
ican loves to cite the Constitution, but he hasn't learned how to interpret them as a legal document - yet - and how it applies to congress, SC, or the president.
0 Replies
 
plainoldme
 
  1  
Tue 28 Dec, 2010 10:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
ican is one of the reasons why I think literacy tests should be re-instituted. He'd never pass and he'd lose the right to vote.
0 Replies
 
plainoldme
 
  1  
Tue 28 Dec, 2010 10:56 pm
@ican711nm,
No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property . . . well, that line supports single payer.
0 Replies
 
plainoldme
 
  1  
Tue 28 Dec, 2010 10:57 pm
@ican711nm,
No one but you gives a tinker's damn about George Soros and your IQ is in single digits.
0 Replies
 
plainoldme
 
  1  
Tue 28 Dec, 2010 10:58 pm
@okie,
Quote:
Excellent and informed post, ican. It encourages me to realize there are still many people that are staying informed and still understand what America should be.


Talking to yourself again, hey, okie or is it ican? Drop the charade.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Tue 28 Dec, 2010 10:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I strongly suspect that ican = okie. A person and a sock puppet makes many people.
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H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Wed 29 Dec, 2010 05:34 am
@ican711nm,
Good stuff Ican.

ican711nm wrote:

BOTH AMERICA’S CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT AND ITS ECONOMY ARE UNDER ATTACK

George Soros and his Democrat Party appear to believe their ends justify their means.

George Soros in his 1995 book, page 145, Soros on Soros, I do not accept the rules imposed by others. If I did, I would not be alive today. I am a law-abiding citizen, but I recognize that there are regimes that need to be opposed rather than accepted. And in periods of regime change, the normal rules don't apply. One needs to adjust one's behavior to the changing circumstances.

George Soros has owned and directed the Democrat Party since December 2004.

"Sam Hananel in his associated Press article, December 10, 2004,"] On December 9, 2004, Eli Pariser, who headed Soros's group Moveon PAC, boasted to his members, "Now the Democratic Party is our party. We bought it, we own it."

Soros … pushed for the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 which was intended to ban "soft money" contributions to federal election campaigns. Soros has responded that his donations to unaffiliated organizations do not raise the same corruption issues as donations directly to the candidates or political parties.

Soros gave $3 million to the Center for American Progress, committed $5 million to MoveOn, while he and his friend Peter Lewis each gave America Coming Together $10 million. (All were groups that worked to support Democrats in the 2004 election.)

George Soros has directed the members of the Democrat party to pass or continue legislation that violates the Constitution of the USA as lawfully amended. George Soros directed the federal government to adopt and/or continue the following such programs.

• Healthcare Reform:
http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_US/us/Industries/health-care-providers/center-for-health-solutions/health-care-reform/index.htm?id=USGoogle_hcreform_310&gclid=CKLi6PKDzKUCFUN66wodrlBmlA
National health reform is here. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the reconciliation bill are law. Together, they will trigger sweeping changes and disruptions — some rather quickly and some over many years.
http://www.naturalnews.com/026733_health_health_care_healthcare.html
What's really in Obama's health care reform bill? Almost no one knows, and here's why: It's 1,017 pages long and written in an alien form of bureaucratic English that can barely be decoded by earthlings.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2300451/posts
Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax."
• TARP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_Assets_Relief_Program
The Troubled Asset Relief Program, commonly referred to as TARP, is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector which was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008. It is the largest component of the government's measures in 2008 to address the subprime mortgage crisis. …
• Stimulus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, abbreviated ARRA (Pub.L. 111-5) and commonly referred to as the Stimulus or The Recovery Act, is an economic stimulus package enacted by the 111th United States Congress in February 2009.
• Fannie Mae
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_may
The Federal National Mortgage Association (FNMA) (OTCBB: FNMA), commonly known as Fannie Mae, was set up as a stockholder-owned corporation chartered by Congress in 1968 as a government-sponsored enterprise (GSE), ..
• Freddie Mac:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mac
The Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (FHLMC), known as Freddie Mac (OTCBB: FMCC), is a public government sponsored enterprise (GSE), headquartered in the Tyson's Corner CDP in unincorporated Fairfax County, Virginia. …

The Constitution does not delegate power to the federal government to transfer wealth from those who earned it to those who did not and do not earn it. The Constitution does specify that the federal government can take a person’s property to provide for the common defense and the general welfare of the United States.

Amendment X (1791)
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Amendment V (1791)
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment XIII (1865)
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Article I. Section 8 (1789)
The Congress shall have power To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; …

George Soros’s Democrat Party adoption and and/or continuation of the previously listed programs (Healthcare Reform, TARP, Stimulus, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac) , are evidence that they are adhering to the enemies of the USA, giving them aid and comfort, and arethereby guilty of committing treason.

Article III (1791)
Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

The Constitution of the USA as amended is part of the supreme law of the land.

Article VI
All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

George Soros has declared his intention to create a new world order through the suppression of the U.S. economy.

Quote:

http://sandrarose.com/2009/11/george-soros-plot-to-create-a-new-world-order-through-the-destruction-of-the-us-economy/
… George Soros … is a multibillionaire Globalist whose millions in political contributions financed Barack Obama’s campaign for president.
He is Obama’s biggest benefactor.
In this video, Soros basically tells America to stop resisting a New World Order and he’s hoping that China will lead the New World Order once the American economy [declines].
In other words, he’s telling us we should not resist the [decline] of our economy! … [Posted are] the highlights from his interview below in case you don’t have the time to watch the video. …
“…an orderly decline of the dollar is desirable”
“It’s ill-considered on the part of the United States to resist…”
“It is not necessarily in our interests to have the dollar as the sole world currency.”
“A decline in the value of the dollar is necessary in order to compensate for the fact that the U.S. economy will remain rather weak…”
“China will emerge as the motor replacing the U.S. consumer..”
“China will be the engine driving (the New World Order) forward, and the U.S. will be actually a drag that’s being pulled along through a gradual decline in the value of the dollar.”


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H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Wed 29 Dec, 2010 07:17 am

The Voyager 1 spacecraft is now 10.8 billion miles from the sun, and is passing through the heliosheath,
the outer edge of the sun's gravitational force. It marks the first man made object to exit the solar system...
... Obama needs to pay a visit to the Voyager 1 spacecraft to congratulate it for its stunning achievement.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
  2  
Wed 29 Dec, 2010 08:10 am
I think better Obama should visit waterboy with a couple of guys in black shoes and sunglasses and shove h2o girl's head into her vagina and stitch it up. That would result in that lovely silence one might experience in deep space.
parados
 
  2  
Wed 29 Dec, 2010 08:39 am
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Following a legal process to adopt an illegal law is not due process. In other words, it is not due process to pass an illegal law.

Your argument is circular ican.
You claim the law is illegal because it doesn't follow the due process then claim the process is illegal because the law is illegal.

The reality is that a law is legal until the courts declare it illegal. Unless you want to ignore the constitution ican. But you seem to love to show how ignorant you are. It's either ignorance or you hate the Constitution.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Wed 29 Dec, 2010 08:47 am
@blueveinedthrobber,
They are more likely to visit you, shove your pin head into your tiny limp dick and call it a good day.
parados
 
  2  
Wed 29 Dec, 2010 08:48 am
@parados,
Article 3
Quote:
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution,


Article 6
Quote:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;


You argue that Courts are amending the Constitution when they rule on it but that ignores the Constitution ican and shows you to be ignorant or to hate the Constitution.
The Constitution is law. The Courts rule on ALL CASES that arise about the law which would include cases about the meaning of the law or the Constitution, which is the law.
parados
 
  1  
Wed 29 Dec, 2010 08:49 am
@H2O MAN,
Hey squirt. What are you doing here? Shouldn't you be enjoying your millions from shorting the market?
0 Replies
 
blueveinedthrobber
 
  1  
Wed 29 Dec, 2010 10:43 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

They are more likely to visit you, shove your pin head into your tiny limp dick and call it a good day.


It gets huge when you work on it. ask your wife.
 

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