talk72000
 
  1  
Thu 18 Nov, 2010 08:54 pm
@okie,
Bank robbers steal a few thousand and risk their lives. Wall Street crooks steal in the billions and are safe. You have a warped sense of proportion.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 18 Nov, 2010 09:36 pm
@talk72000,
Besides, okie believe that Wall Street crooks should not pay more in income taxes. They "earned" it - or, taxing them is transferring their wealth to the poor. The poor don't deserve it, because.....okie says so. Many of the wealthy say they should be taxed more, but okie knows better than them. Go figure.
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plainoldme
 
  0  
Thu 18 Nov, 2010 11:06 pm
@talk72000,
I have wondered whether okie and ican are real people or if they are personae used by republican operatives to push the party agenda. Surely, no one could enjoy being used to the level that those two are, so they must be playing John the Baptist to some Big Brother out there.
rabel22
 
  1  
Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:53 am
@plainoldme,
I have also wondered if they werent just operatives paid by the repubs.
Cycloptichorn
 
  0  
Fri 19 Nov, 2010 10:13 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Perhaps I did not explain my point very well, ci? I interpreted cyclops as bemoaning the idea that the rich would receive a lower tax rate on the first margin of income, just like all the other people including the poor do. For example, if the government taxes the first few thousand at 10%, then lowers that tax to - say 9%, he is angry that the rich would also get that tax rate for the first few thousand they make. My point is that the whole concept of margins, whatever the rates and brackets are, they need to be equally applied to everyone.

Maybe I did not interpret correctly what cyclops said, but that is what I got out of his post. And I was simply pointing out that tax laws need to be equally applied to everyone.


No, you're wrong! I'm happy that the rich would get a tax cut on the same brackets that everyone else would. I believe it's APPROPRIATE for them to get those tax cuts. You are totally correct that the brackets apply to everyone. I was just pointing this fact out, is all.

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
  0  
Fri 19 Nov, 2010 10:40 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

okie wrote:

Perhaps I did not explain my point very well, ci? I interpreted cyclops as bemoaning the idea that the rich would receive a lower tax rate on the first margin of income, just like all the other people including the poor do. For example, if the government taxes the first few thousand at 10%, then lowers that tax to - say 9%, he is angry that the rich would also get that tax rate for the first few thousand they make. My point is that the whole concept of margins, whatever the rates and brackets are, they need to be equally applied to everyone.

Maybe I did not interpret correctly what cyclops said, but that is what I got out of his post. And I was simply pointing out that tax laws need to be equally applied to everyone.


No, you're wrong! I'm happy that the rich would get a tax cut on the same brackets that everyone else would. I believe it's APPROPRIATE for them to get those tax cuts. You are totally correct that the brackets apply to everyone. I was just pointing this fact out, is all.

Cycloptichorn


Accidentally hit 'reply' too quick. What I mean to say here is, later on when the tax debate is going on, Republicans are going to claim that the Dems want to cut taxes on everyone BUT the rich, in some sort of class warfare. My point is that the Dems can accurately say that they are cutting taxes for the rich as well.

Cycloptichorn
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plainoldme
 
  0  
Fri 19 Nov, 2010 10:47 am
@talk72000,
The fact that 80% of all American wage earners have seen no real increase in their buying power since the late 70s says it all: the captains of industry are now, and probably always will be, the robber barons.
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plainoldme
 
  0  
Fri 19 Nov, 2010 10:48 am
@rabel22,
Very Happy
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 19 Nov, 2010 10:49 am
The GOP defeated the extension of unemployment benefits, so payments of about $315/week will cease on December 1. This will affect two million Americans and their families.

The GOP are all a bunch of dummies, and they're going to control the House next year.

They have no heart; only $$$$$$ on their brains - and usually are wrong in how they interpret it. Clinton increased taxes (on the wealthy), and the economy bloomed!
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okie
 
  0  
Fri 19 Nov, 2010 11:37 am
@talk72000,
talk72000 wrote:

Bank robbers steal a few thousand and risk their lives. Wall Street crooks steal in the billions and are safe. You have a warped sense of proportion.

I have been calling for the crooks to be prosecuted for a long time, talk, but the Dems don't do a thing. First crooks to prosecute should be GSE's, starting with Fannie and Freddie. We are waiting, talk, so get your Dems in gear. Get with it.
Cycloptichorn
 
  0  
Fri 19 Nov, 2010 11:40 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

talk72000 wrote:

Bank robbers steal a few thousand and risk their lives. Wall Street crooks steal in the billions and are safe. You have a warped sense of proportion.

I have been calling for the crooks to be prosecuted for a long time, talk, but the Dems don't do a thing. First crooks to prosecute should be GSE's, starting with Fannie and Freddie. We are waiting, talk, so get your Dems in gear. Get with it.


Why should they be the first? Because you like to beat on Democrats politically, or because you think that they are somehow the guiltiest? Why not go after the big boys who are STILL SCAMMING people?

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:26 pm
Obama has just decided to make his war in AFG a really big war.
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okie
 
  0  
Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:26 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Why should they be the first? Because you like to beat on Democrats politically, or because you think that they are somehow the guiltiest? Why not go after the big boys who are STILL SCAMMING people?
Cycloptichorn
Because I believe the government should first clean up their own house before they try cleaning other houses. I am not against prosecuting corruption anywhere and everywhere, but I find it particularly galling to see the government ignore its own corruption.

One example, Charlie Rangel, how come he isn't kicked out of Congress completely? A Republican probably would have been shoved out by now, don't you think?
JTT
 
  1  
Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:30 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
I don't put his political analysis on the same level as George's.


Gob doesn't analyse. He is as much influenced by his political prejudices as Okie is, however I think that Okie is probably got it all over Gob in the honesty department.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  0  
Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:30 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Why should they be the first? Because you like to beat on Democrats politically, or because you think that they are somehow the guiltiest? Why not go after the big boys who are STILL SCAMMING people?
Cycloptichorn
Because I believe the government should first clean up their own house before they try cleaning other houses. I am not against prosecuting corruption anywhere and everywhere, but I find it particularly galling to see the government ignore its own corruption.


The government DIDN'T ignore corruption in Fannie and Freddie. In fact, they fined the company over 400 million dollars in 2006 over exactly this. However, they haven't significantly gone after Wall Street corruption in any way at all. You are arguing for something that has already happened.

Quote:
One example, Charlie Rangel, how come he isn't kicked out of Congress completely? A Republican probably would have been shoved out by now, don't you think?


Please. Do you even remember Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff? Your bunch refused to kick him out - and even changed the ethics RULES so he wouldn't lose his leadership role - long after it was clear he was a scummy SOB. Nobody is buying this line that Republicans are somehow more ethical than Dems, Okie....

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:33 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
okie has myopia and a one-track brain; he can only see crimes committed by liberals, but are blind to GOP crimes.

I wonder how much training that requires? I understand that brain-washing can be successful, and many are self-imposed - like okie.
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okie
 
  0  
Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:43 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Please. Do you even remember Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff? Cycloptichorn

Oh give us a break, cyclops, do you have to go back to your favorite whipping boys? Did I see the charges were dropped on DeLay? And as far as Abramoff is concerned, we had to read that crap every single day, but we hear nothing about Obama's, Reid's and Pelosi's relatives profiting.
Cycloptichorn
 
  0  
Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:46 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Please. Do you even remember Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff? Cycloptichorn

Oh give us a break, cyclops, do you have to go back to your favorite whipping boys?


My favorite whipping boys are Bush and Rove. Tom DeLay isn't even near the top of the list. He's just a small-time thug who got elevated into the leadership of your party, because he was good at squeezing money out of donors and corporations.

And did the Republicans change the ethics rules, after he was found guilty of violations by the ethics committee? You're damn right they did -

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9403E7D71339F936A35752C0A9639C8B63

Quote:
Did I see the charges were dropped on DeLay?


Uh, no - he's in court in TX for money laundering as we speak, and he's probably going to be found guilty, because he already admitted to it in an earlier interview - one in which he now says he 'misspoke.' He didn't mis-speak, he just didn't think what we has doing is against the law. But it is.

Quote:
And as far as Abramoff is concerned, we had to read that crap every single day, but we hear nothing about Obama's, Reid's and Pelosi's relatives profiting.


That's because there's no ******* stories there to read. You don't remember a single thing about Abramoff and the level of corruption he was involved in, do you? Do you remember ANYTHING about the last decade, Okie? Or have you just edited that all out of your mind, behind a big wall that says "BUSH WAS A GOOD MAN!!!!" I'm kind of flabbergasted by this.

Cycloptichorn
plainoldme
 
  0  
Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:49 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Perhaps, the statement, "bush was a good man," should be read, "bush WAS a good man."
mysteryman
 
  1  
Fri 19 Nov, 2010 01:03 pm
@talk72000,
So is it your belief that everybody that is rich is a crook?
Do you believe that everybody that is wealthy has somehow stolen that money?
 

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