Obama '08?

@Cycloptichorn,

I amended my post after you answered, cyclops, and pointed out that Eisenhower was clearly conservative, but he had high marginal tax rates.

In today's political climate, I believe if conservatives could receive compromises from liberals in regard to spending and other issues, that some marginal raise would be agreed. As to specific politicians, we will need to see how the current crop of congressmen act and react with time.

By the way, some Democrats favor extending Bush tax cuts, because they know they are crucial for jobs and economic growth.

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@okie,

They are your heroes and you can't justify it? You idolize crooks.

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@talk72000,

Hey talk, I am all for punishing corruption. How about starting with Government enterprises such as Fannie Mae and placing Raines and others in jail for corrupt accounting practices? But making money is not in and of itself proof of corruption. The example you cited, you need to provide evidence of corruption.

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@okie,

okie, How many times must you be told that corruption happens in government and commerce. Your myopia is irritating and useless for rational discussion. Your memory doesn't exist, and what you do remember are mostly wrong.

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@okie,

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In today's political climate, I believe if conservatives could receive compromises from liberals in regard to spending and other issues, that some marginal raise would be agreed. As to specific politicians, we will need to see how the current crop of congressmen act and react with time.

Are you admitting that not a single member of your caucus, in either house, is on the record as supporting higher marginal tax rates?

How do you reconcile that with your recent statement that the Dem party thinks and acts alike, and the Republican party doesn't? I mean, the evidence clearly shows that you have it exactly backward: the Republican party forces an orthodoxy which is ALWAYS against ALL tax raises of any type, and the Democrats on the other hand have a variety of opinions expressed on the matter.

I'd also like to know how you justify voting for a party who you KNOW won't do what's necessary to balance our budget? Who CANNOT do what's necessary, because they have given in to the ideologues on the hard-right who demand no tax increases, ever?

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cyclops, you know better. It wasn't too many years ago that Bush senior got hammered for the "No new taxes" comment, which probably pales in comparison to the promises that have been broken by Obama in just 2 years.

You should also know which party openly advocates a balanced budget, so if economists clearly give the assessment that marginal tax hikes are necessary along with spending cuts, I think conservatives would vote for it. But they aren't going to cave to tax increases without something in return. They know from experience that Dems will only spend more money.

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@okie,

A family of four, with both parents working 40 hours a week for 52 weeks a year at minimum wage won't bring home $25,000 a year.

Taxing the rich a few percentages more than we do now to help take care of our debt, sustain our transportation system, improve our education system, etc. is hardly stealing from the rich to give to the poor. Who is talking about doing that directly? I haven't heard of that being proposed.

The rich would certainly get their money back by having more educated employees, that are healthy and happy.

At this time, the rich don't care about that. Neither do those that think like you do, Okie. It's against your own interest to approve of and argue for the outrageous pay disparity that has occurred over the past couple of decades, and yet you do. The bankers that have robbed hundreds of thousands of their homes through their recent shenanigans and corporate executives that will again earn record bonuses this year absolutely do not work harder than than the two parents working 40 hours a week and still living at poverty level.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Cyclops, you know better. It wasn't too many years ago that Bush senior got hammered for the "No new taxes" comment, which probably pales in comparison to the promises that have been broken by Obama in just 2 years.

Wait. What?

That didn't answer my questions, any of them. Who in your party supports raising marginal tax rates? How can you accuse the Dems of orthodoxy on this issue when they have a variety of opinions, and your party has NO variety of opinions? How do you reconcile your support of the Republicans with the fact that they won't fix the budget problems?

Cycloptichorn

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@squinney,

squinney wrote:

A family of four, with both parents working 40 hours a week for 52 weeks a year at minimum wage won't bring home $25,000 a year.

There is where you might as well quit talking. Who in their right mind should expect to make a living at minimum wage, pray tell?

I have a close relative with no higher education, only out of high school a few years, now making close to $20 per hour, simply because he is responsible, goes to work, and works hard. Hint, he doesn't work at Burger King or any of the other fast food joints.

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@okie,

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Self pity seldom accomplishes anything

Then, never ask for an apology again.

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@Cycloptichorn,

How many ways do I have to tell you that we will need to let the process play out, to see what the congressmen will support or not support. There are lots of talking and negotiating behind the scenes. You should know that.

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@okie,

No one earns that much money honestly, yet, you would step on the fingers of a family of four struggling with $25,000/annum.

Where I live, an individual needs a minimum of $22,000. Note: An individual, not a family of four.

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@squinney,

Thanks, squinney! What is worse is that no one can keep up that sort of work schedule. Furthermore, any one earning minimum wage who becomes ill or hurt just loses his days and therefore his salary. He might even lose his job.

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@okie,

You must come from a family of saints. What about the people in the real world, okie? What about the people who look for work month after month, year after year? They take minimum wage jobs to continue looking for work.

Do you remember how the posters here were convinced that MAssagatto was in an institution?

With the tall tales you tell, I think that you are also in an asylum.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

How many ways do I have to tell you that we will need to let the process play out, to see what the congressmen will support or not support. There are lots of talking and negotiating behind the scenes. You should know that.

Can't you just answer the questions I asked? The other day you said you didn't like it when people refused to admit that they were wrong. How do you feel about that now?

Cycloptichorn

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Isn't everyone sick of okie's relatives? For every example, for every situation mentioned here, he has a "close relative" if he wants to put a positive spin on things or a "shirt tale" relative when he wants to point out their failings.

It is appropriate for a young child to have an imaginary friend, not for a man pushing 70.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

squinney wrote:

A family of four, with both parents working 40 hours a week for 52 weeks a year at minimum wage won't bring home $25,000 a year.
There is where you might as well quit talking. Who in their right mind should expect to make a living at minimum wage, pray tell?

I have a close relative with no higher education, only out of high school a few years, now making close to $20 per hour, simply because he is responsible, goes to work, and works hard. Hint, he doesn't work at Burger King or any of the other fast food joints.

No ****. So do I. I also know people working at Burger King, Wal-Mart, Starbucks, and other retail stores that are working at minimum wage or a few cents more. Someone has to. Heck, some of them used to make well over $20 an hour before being laid off.

Hard work doesn't correlate to income any more. That's the misconception behind the Rights distaste for the drive-thru lady at Burger King that can't afford healthcare. She's working a lot harder than the Burger King executive.

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Why are Obama democrats so ******* eager to penalize
and tax financial success and reward laziness and failure?

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Families of four that annually earn $37,400 or less pay zero income taxes.

THE 2010 TAXIS PAID BY A FAMILY OF FOUR:

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Schedule Y-1: Married filing jointly--DOLLARS ANNUAL TAXABLE INCOME

IF OVER..........BUT NOT OVER..........TAX IS.....PLUS TAX RATE..........OF AMOUNT OVER
$0......................16,750................0.00................10%................0
16,750................68,000................1,675.00................15%................16,750
68,000................137,300................9,362.50................25%................68,000
137,300..............209,250................26,687.50................28%................ 137,300
209,250..............373,650................46,833.50................33%................ 209,250
373,650..............~~~~~~~................101,085.50................35%................373,650

..........................PER PERSON................NUMBER PERSONS........... TOTAL
Standard Deduction.....$5,700..........................4..........................$22,800
Exemptions....................3,650..........................4..........................14,600
Deduct' + Exemp's....................................................................$37,400

GROSS INCOME................37,400................50,000................100,000
TAXABLE INCOME.................0.00................12,600................62,600
INCOME TAX........................0.00................1,260.00................8,552.49
% TAX ON GROSS.....................0%.....................3%.....................9%

GROSS INCOME................1,000,000................10,000,000................ 100,000,000
TAXABLE INCOME................962,600................9,962,600................ 99,962,600
INCOME TAX..........................307,218................3,457,218................34,957,218
% TAX ON GROSS.....................31%.....................35%.....................35%

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@ican711nm,

Obama has his job cut out for him. He knows now what to expect. It is not just legislating but also of public perception of his performance. He has to put up with the lies and mudslinging.

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