Obama '08?

Bush was RE-elected.

I'm not making any huge boasts, but yours sound a little desperate...LOL

Ere ye skeered? LOL

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Lash wrote:

Bush was RE-elected.

I'm not making any huge boasts, but yours sound a little desperate...LOL

Ere ye skeered? LOL

Nope. It doesn't matter to me what your opinion of my attitude is; the facts remain unchanged.

Bush's popularity and the Republican party's popularity in general were far, far higher in '04 than they are now, 3 years later. Iraq has been the primary driver of this, but a stagnant economy and several scandals haven't helped.

McCain hasn't raised much money and doesn't seem to be doing much to change this fact. He has high negatives amongst Republicans. What platform is he going to run on, exactly?

You will be damned lucky if you don't lose another 3 or 4 seats in the Senate as well as the White House this cycle. I've never seen the Republicans at such a severe disadvantage in my life.

A question for you: What positive platform issues are Republicans going to run on this cycle? How will they distance themselves from the toxic Bush?

Cycloptichorn

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...that he's not running...? LOL

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Lash wrote:

...that he's not running...? LOL

Nice non-answer.

You were ga-ga about Giuliani a while back iirc. Switched horses quick enough tho.

What positive platform issues are Republicans going to run on this cycle?

Cycloptichorn

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For God's sake Cyclops, click on the link to Pollingreport.com and stop talking out of your ass. Anybody but Bush failed, and won't come up again. He's a lame duck, and you'll convince no one that Giuliani is his clone. Just shy of half the people polled say they would never vote for Hillary. You really need to get yourself a grip man.

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Okay, it's a simple question that none of you seem to be able to answer:

What positive platform issues are Republicans going to run on this cycle?

Forget my opinion about who is going to win.

About Giulliani, I'll let Andy McCarthy from NRO say it:

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Rudy & the Social Right

Cycloptichorn

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In SC, Rudy said this:

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"If I'm going to appoint strict constructionist judges, which I'm going to do, for the reason that they are going to strictly interpret the Constitution, then, as president, I have to be a strict constructionist," Giuliani said. "The present state of the law on these issues is not something that I would seek to change."

Not only has he shown support for taxpayer funded abortions, but he has stated clearly more than once that he has no interest in overturning Roe v Wade. This puts him to the left of pretty much every other major candidate.

Bill, you state:

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Just shy of half the people polled say they would never vote for Hillary.

Yes, and that includes me. This includes a huge number of Democrats. This is what makes me believe that Obama will win the nod.

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Anybody but Bush failed, and won't come up again. He's a lame duck, and you'll convince no one that Giuliani is his clone.

Well, um, duh. The problem with Giuliani isn't that people think he's a Bush clone, it's that the social right will not support his candidacy - certainly not with enough vigor to match an energized, pumped up, and ready to go to the polls Democratic base - which has never been larger in the last 7 years.

You two can throw around all the false bravdo you want. I'm used to it. But your position and chances in '08 are not good, any way you slice it.

Cycloptichorn

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We do have a Giuliani, McCain thread, you know. I believe you're right about Hillary losing and hope you're right about Obama but think it's still WAY too early to be anywhere as sure as you seem to be.

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

We do have a Giuliani, McCain thread, you know. I believe you're right about Hillary losing and hope you're right about Obama but think it's still WAY too early to be anywhere as sure as you seem to be.

Sure, I don't have a crystal ball. But I do have a question that noone seems to be able to answer. And I think it's pretty important that noone can answer it.

I can't see a single trend - anything at all - which tells me that the Republicans have a good shot this year. The fact that the Democrats are simply kicking Republican ass when it comes to fundraising only hammers this home, as the roles traditionally have been exactly opposite.

Cycloptichorn

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Giuliani and Hill are the respective leaders, and Giuliani generally tops her in the polls. I don't know what you're reading. Also, I don't think the Republicans are going to come up short of dough. Laughing

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

Giuliani and Hill are the respective leaders, and Giuliani generally tops her in the polls. I don't know what you're reading. Also, I don't think the Republicans are going to come up short of dough.

I think they are going to come up short. They have so far.

I read many different things, none of which have shown that the Republicans are doing well. You know as well as I that the polls right now are name rec - and that's about it. After the debate season starts up, and folks can really see the candidates in action versus each other, then talk to me about polls.

If money is the poll right now, the Dems are winning 2-1. With three or four times the number of donors. Sure sounds like a terrible situation for them to me Laughing

Cycloptichorn

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

Giuliani and Hill are the respective leaders, and Giuliani generally tops her in the polls. I don't know what you're reading. Also, I don't think the Republicans are going to come up short of dough.

On the other hand, the Republicans are facing this reality:

http://crookedtimber.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/200703272152.jpg

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Wowza, Ive got a lot to catch up with in this thread.

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Damn, are any of the big bad republicans even going to acknowledge Cyclops' question?

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There are only three points on that graph where red rises above blue. Which makes an obvious point regarding what the majority of Americans actually believe and value.

Viewing the trend from the last of those red-atop points, we might make another point about the contradiction between citizen beliefs/preferences and the structural impediments to those beliefs/preferences being actually realized.

And that gets us to DeLay's redistricting, K street, the JD firings, and much else with the planned/desired end of one party dominance. These guys are reallllly ugly.

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snood wrote:

Damn, are any of the big bad republicans even going to acknowledge Cyclops' question?

I'll be back...maybe tonight.
But, expect quid pro quo...

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Well, I didn't ask the question, but threat acknowledged.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Lash wrote:
...that he's not running...? LOL

Nice non-answer.

You were ga-ga about Giuliani a while back iirc. Switched horses quick enough tho.

What positive platform issues are Republicans going to run on this cycle?

Cycloptichorn

Your completely erroneous statement about me "switching horses" is on par with all your other claims hereablouts.

What's going on with you? You've been talking to blatham too much. Very Happy

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