Obama '08?

@okie,

It means nothing okie. My grandmother would recognize that your "apology" was meaningless since you not only made excuses by later repeated the same actions which you didn't really apologize for before. I'm sure your grandmother would also tell you about what it means to apologize. You clearly didn't do it. You only said some empty words that had no meaning.

Here's proof you didn't really apologize okie

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I am not going to apologize for that, because first of all I think you have twisted or misrepresented what I have said about other things. In fact, you have not provided any evidence for some or much of what you have accused me of.

So in spite of the fact that I have presented evidence of you
1. Calling for impeachment
2. Saying Obama is "destroying" the country.
3. calling Obama a dictator
You are now going to argue that I haven't provided evidence for "much" of what I accuse you?
I listed 3 things okie that I accused you of and you denied and I provided posts from you to prove I was correct and you were wrong.

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but many of your other accusations about things I have said, you have yet to provide any evidence of them.

Your turn okie. Show me 3 things I accused you of that you feel I should show proof of. Be prepared to apologize though when I provide proof of you saying it. But as I said earlier in the week. You will deny it. Then you will demand quotes. Then you will demand links. Then you will act like I was the one that lied. We know what you are okie and clearly you aren't an honest or decent human being.

The hate issue is no different from you accusing CI of being a liberal okie. If you want to use that standard in your logic then I should be able to do the same thing, should I not? Or are you so dishonest that you hold yourself to such a low standard compared to what you demand of others?

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I just saw Mr Obama saying that the US drilling rig expertise employed to such wonderful effect at the mine rescue in Chile was on secondment from Afghanistan.

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@spendius,

Could someone explain what the hell he just posted?

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@rabel22,

spendi has these spells where nobody can understand him. It's only a phase that comes and goes.

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@rabel22,

He's a little like Admiral Puff 'n' Stuff, or some similar name, from the old BEanie and Cecil Show.

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@rabel22,

The US drilling experts that were involved in the rescue in Chile were seconded (loaned) to the Chilean govt from the US DoD.
They were in Afghanistan drilling water wells for Afghani villages.
Apparently the subsurface strata in both places is remarkably similiar.

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I thought therre were thousands of "shovel ready" jobs waiting for their share of the stimulus bill?

Apparently, there arent...

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/13/president-obama-looks-forward-and-back/

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In the magazine article, Mr. Obama reflects on his presidency, admitting that he let himself look too much like “the same old tax-and-spend Democrat,” realized too late that “there’s no such thing as shovel-ready projects” and perhaps should have “let the Republicans insist on the tax cuts” in the stimulus.

Actually, its an interesting article, but that paragraph sort of jumped out at me.

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@rabel22,

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Could someone explain what the hell he just posted?

Well my dear. The thread is about Mr Obama and I reported something he had said in the previous hour. My post has at least shown the US in a good light and elicited some factual information, which makes a change.

I have reminded people that the US has contributed its science, technology and scarce resouces to rescuing 33 trapped miners, and to raising the status of the working classes by doing so, and is also engaged in improving the standard of living for the poor in Afghanistan.

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@spendius,

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Could someone explain what the hell he just posted?

I had to go out after my last post and when I got back I thought I would check out your posts on Obama 08 and 12. They are rubbish. They mean nothing. Compared to my conribution up above they are complete shite as are a fair number of other posts which you have not seen fit to offer snidey comments on. They seem to consist of Dems and Reps asserting that each of them don't understand anything.

What the hell does any of that mean? It's meaningless tripe.

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@spendius,

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and is also engaged in improving the standard of living for the poor in Afghanistan.

You can't cover up war crimes with a few band-aids, Spendi.

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I have reminded people that the US has contributed its science, technology and scarce resouces to rescuing 33 trapped miners, and to raising the status of the working classes by doing so

You want to hear about the USA's legacy in "raising the status of the working classes" the world over. Their record is probably worse than that of the UK.

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@JTT,

Try to get Americans to admit to that!

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@JTT,

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You can't cover up war crimes with a few band-aids, Spendi.

I think JTT that your language is almost certain to cause you to lose the argument. I admit that losing the argument has the great advantage that it creates the ideal conditions for you to continue using that sort of language for ever and ever. But government by the people necessarily lays the charge you make at the door of the voters and their displeasure at being accused of war crimes and being equated with Hitler results in your influence being reduced and your company avoided. Laying the blame, and blame is associated with war crimes, on the government is a sophistical cop-out. The people are the government. The President "serves" and the miltary are in the "services".

So if you wish to effect changes in the directions you seem to want, which I might approve of if they could be shown to be an improvement, it is possibly advisable not to get everybody's back up. I readily recognise that steering a less dramatic course can be a bit boring but I think it is more likely to arrive in the place you wish with a greater degree of certainty. We do not live in a perfect world and you cannot expect, after 9/11, and many another signalling of intent, that administrations will wish to present to our enemies the sitting duck target that was obviously presented to them on other watches.

Cecil Rhodes, that great patron of American education, when asked what to do about the barbaric tribes suggested that we should "**** 'em white". A policy which no Darwinian evolutionist could find fault with. I am completely non-plussed that the "left" should seek to promote evolution and can only imagine that their intention is simply to grant themselves greater amounts of sexual licence whilst pretending, or having on Ignore, that the law of "might is right" is somehow transferred from the people to the government.

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You want to hear about the USA's legacy in "raising the status of the working classes" the world over. Their record is probably worse than that of the UK.

I don't for a moment accept such a broad brush remark. In India before we arrived widows were thrown upon their husbands funeral pyres among many other things that few knew about. Or cared about. Today they are defeating the Australians at cricket in stadiums full of enthusiastic workers and on TV screens throughout the length and breadth of their beautiful country. And, despite a little mismanagement in the bathrooms, they are hosting the Commonwealth Games. One might easily write ten books on the improvement in the Indian workers living conditions from what they once were and without once suggesting that the task is by any stretch complete.

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@spendius,

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I think JTT that your language is almost certain to cause you to lose the argument. I admit that losing the argument has the great advantage that it creates the ideal conditions for you to continue using that sort of language for ever and ever.

Wow, actually spot-on for once, spendi.

Cycloptichorn

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Laying the blame, and blame is associated with war crimes, on the government is a sophistical cop-out. The people are the government. The President "serves" and the miltary are in the "services".

And this is where you both tend to fall off the truck. The "people" are no more in charge of their government than are their cats. I know it's supposed to work that way, but political parties, special interests, corporate interests, and labor unions have pretty much taken the individual out of the game. We may get to vote, but the majority of the voters are puppets to at least one of the above groups. I am no more "the government" of the United States than I am of the UK or any other country.

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@spendius,

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I think JTT that your language is almost certain to cause you to lose the argument. I admit that losing the argument has the great advantage that it creates the ideal conditions for you to continue using that sort of language for ever and ever.

There's no argument, Spendi. There's no discussion either. If you can't see that the facts are way too much for virtually all to handle then that's your shortcoming, not mine.

Why in heaven's name do you figure that this sort of brutality, these myriad war crimes, these crimes against humanity, this ongoing terrorism should be handled with kid gloves?

It certainly isn't when the discussion focuses on the other side.

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But government by the people necessarily lays the charge you make at the door of the voters and their displeasure at being accused of war crimes and being equated with Hitler results in your influence being reduced and your company avoided. Laying the blame, and blame is associated with war crimes, on the government is a sophistical cop-out. The people are the government. The President "serves" and the miltary are in the "services".

As JPB said, that's bullshit.

The propaganda stream has kept the vast majority of voters ignorant of what the US governments have done and do. Even Cycloptichorn, voluble though he normally is, has been reduced to sitting in the cheap seats, taking cheap shots.

"The United States is not nearly so concerned that its acts be kept secret from its intended victims as it is that the American people not know of them.”

U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark

First it was outright denial, then when the facts proved too voluminous and damning, the arguments went to, "well, the US does more good than bad". Then there is always the "attack the messenger" which you have tried to employ here.

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I don't for a moment accept such a broad brush remark.

If you want to put forward a case that the UK was worse than the USA, Spendi, knock yourself out.

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@JPB,

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And this is where you both tend to fall off the truck. The "people" are no more in charge of their government than are their cats. I know it's supposed to work that way, but political parties, special interests, corporate interests, and labor unions have pretty much taken the individual out of the game. We may get to vote, but the majority of the voters are puppets to at least one of the above groups. I am no more "the government" of the United States than I am of the UK or any other country.

What a shocking thing to say. America is no longer a democracy is what it means. Which is a handy thing to assert as it saves you having any responsibility for the decisions your government takes whilst at the same time benefitting from those decisions.

Are you saying that the coalition you suggest is a de facto party?

Has this situation always existed or have you voted for it? It has to be one or the other. Is opposition a charade?

btw--you missed out Media.

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The only way to hold Barack Obama accountable for his past unlawful actions is to impeach him. Furthermore, Barack Obama must be prevented from continuing to unlawfully implement some of his objectives by executive order, when he cannot convince Congress to pass laws that permit meeting his objectives.

How shall we hold alleged-conservative majorities accountable for rescuing and securing our freedoms, our property, our liberty under the Law, our constitutional government, and our capitalist economy? Can alleged-conservatives be held sufficiently accountable any other way than advocating they impeach Obama . While Obama can veto Congress’s measures to rescue and secure our freedoms, Obama cannot veto a majority of the House voting to impeach him and put Obama on public trial for his unlawful actions. Such a trial can increase the number of voters and members of congress who support removing Obama immediately from the presidency by the Senate or eventually by the voters.

But what if after Obama is impeached by a majority of the House, but the Senate doesn’t have the two-thirds majority to remove him? The impeachment trial will nevertheless provide the voters in 2012 evidence for Obama’s removal. What will be lost for trying? What will be gained for not trying?

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@ican711nm,

You sound like a broken record the hallmark of Massagato.

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@spendius,

I grant you Media as a special interest.

Look at these pages, spendi. Read the back-and-forth snowball fight that is America today. Teams of boys and girls with their piles of snowballs lobbing attacks back and forth as if it mattered one bit if one gets an occasional hit. Most of the snowballs land and splat against the ground. Occasionally one makes its mark but is quickly brushed aside while grabbing what's left of the snow to pack into another ball.

Meanwhile, those who have the means and mechanisms to manipulate things that do matter go on about their way, doing what they do.

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@ican711nm,

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Such a trial can increase the number of voters and members of congress who support removing Obama immediately from the presidency by the Senate or eventually by the voters.

How'd that work out for you last time your team tried it? Not so well, I recall.

Cycloptichorn

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