ican711nm
 
  0  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 10:09 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
There are more people in the world who are not murderers than who are. Why would you single out people for not having murdered anyone? Should we all stand up and applaud ourselves?

MILLIONS OF AMERICANS, past and present, deserve recognition and appreciation for the tremendous GOOD they have done for the human race.
ican711nm
 
  0  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 10:16 am
Quote:
Obama Amnesty Is Here

Concerned about the Obama administration’s plan to grant amnesty to illegal aliens? Guess what. It’s already happening.

According to The Houston Chronicle:

The Department of Homeland Security is systematically reviewing thousands of pending immigration cases and moving to dismiss those filed against suspected illegal immigrants who have no serious criminal records, according to several sources familiar with the efforts.

Culling the immigration court system dockets of noncriminals started in earnest in Houston about a month ago and has stunned local immigration attorneys, who have reported coming to court anticipating clients' deportations only to learn that the government was dismissing their cases.

In some instances, the article notes, illegal aliens who have been convicted of crimes will be allowed to stay in the country as long as these crimes do not involve a DWI, family violence or sexual assault. But other than those specific circumstances, right now it appears the other deportation candidates are in the clear. (Most of these folks are in the system because they were arrested for committing crimes, so to release those who have only been “convicted” means that illegal alien violent criminals are being set free.)

The court "was terminating all of the cases that came up," said one immigration attorney who was notified that the government requested dismissals in three of his deportation cases. "It was absolutely fantastic."

According to an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) memo, this new policy could impact up to 17,000 cases.

CORRUPTION CHRONICLES
· U.S. Hires “Ebonics” Linguists

· ICE Won’t Arrest Illegal Aliens Caught In Traffic Stops

· U.S. Tells U.N. It Discriminates Against Muslims, Blacks, Latinos

· Homeland Sec. Dismisses Deportation Cases

· U.S. City Under Fire From Mexican Drug Cartels

· Maxine Waters Blows Off Fundraising Rules

· Biden Touts Corrupt Welfare Program As Stimulus Triumph

· Illegal Aliens Want Sanctuary Policies In Writing
And what is the justification for this lawlessness? The Obama administration is pretending it does not have enough money to do its job of deporting all aliens living in the United States illegally.

So there you have it folks. The Obama administration has decided that neither the will of the American people nor the rule of law matter at all. Obama is implementing illegal alien amnesty by hook and by crook.

But are we really all that surprised?

Remember, it was just a few weeks ago that an Obama administration memo surfaced outlining a comprehensive strategy to grant amnesty without approval by Congress. The two-faced Obama administration vehemently downplayed the significance of the memo. (Administration officials called it “brainstorming.”) But all the while the administration continued to push forward with its backdoor amnesty plan.

Following the memo’s disclosure, on August 23 Judicial Watch joined a number of other conservative organizations and sent a letter to the president expressing our extreme dissatisfaction with the Obama administration’s unlawful strategy as outlined in the memo:

“There have been reports that your administration is considering usage of its administrative authority to effectively legalize significant numbers of illegal aliens. We strongly urge that you refrain from pursuing that tactic. We believe that such an abuse of power would further polarize the immigration issue, which already is so controversial that reasonable discussion is confounded.”

The letter (and a related press conference that included Judicial Watch’s Chris Farrell) earned widespread press coverage: “A group of conservative activists slammed the Obama administration Monday for allegedly planning to use its administrative authority to undercut immigration restrictions in the wake of congressional inaction on a comprehensive reform bill,” CNN’s Paul Courson wrote. “In a letter sent to the White House, leaders of 17 conservative grass-roots organizations cited reports that the administration is considering using its executive power ‘to effectively legalize significant numbers of illegal aliens.’”

But nonetheless, President Obama has failed to alter his administration’s reprehensible and unlawful behavior one single bit. And it is causing a revolt in the Imigration and Customs Enforcement bureuacracy. Even the liberals at The Washington Post have noticed that ICE’s front-line immigration enforcement personnel are opposing the non-enforcement program being implemented by Obama political appointees. In a rare action, a major ICE union announced a unaminous vote of “no confidence” in the Obama leadership team at ICE. The detail of the union's complaint is devastating and documents a crisis of law enforcement at ICE. The union notes, for instance, that:

Criminal aliens incarcerated in local jails seek out ICE officers and volunteer for deportation to avoid prosecution, conviction and serving prison sentences. Criminal aliens openly brag to ICE officers that they are taking advantage of the broken immigration system and will be back in the United States within days to commit crimes, while United States citizens arrested for the same offenses serve prison sentences. State and local law enforcement, prosecutors and jails are equally overwhelmed by the criminal alien problem and lack the resources to prosecute and house these prisoners, resulting in the release of criminal aliens back into local communities before making contact with ICE. Thousands of other criminal aliens are released to ICE without being tried for their criminal charges. ICE senior leadership is aware that the system is broken, yet refuses to alert Congress to the severity of the situation and request additional resources to provide better enforcement and s upport of local agencies.

What an ugly mess caused by the Obama administration’s radical hositility to the rule of law! And U.S. citizens and legal alien residents suffer as a result.

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JTT
 
  2  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 11:00 am
@ican711nm,
Quote:
MILLIONS OF AMERICANS, past and present, deserve recognition and appreciation for the tremendous GOOD they have done for the human race.


That's true, Ican. But your brain is shutting down again. This isn't about them.

There is a large group of Americans that have not done good. They have done great evil and they also deserve to be recognized and held accountable for these evils.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 11:06 am
@JTT,
For one thing, Russia's high casualty rate was not caused by the US, it was Germany. For another, the US military might was built mostly from American raw materials and labor during WWII. That the US casualty rate was low only speaks well of our military's capabilities and skills at fighting wars.

However, I'll also mention that the AJA's 442nd/100th battalion was the highest decorated unit of any war the US was involved in; they won more medals and presidential citations than any unit. They fought in Italy, France, and the Pacific Theater.

All Americans who have fought in wars are not all bad people, and that also works in the reverse. It's the government of the country that initiates wars, and the military must follow orders given it.

I believe you miss these perspectives of wars. The US and Americans are not always the bad guys on this planet.
JTT
 
  1  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 11:48 am
@cicerone imposter,
Why are you telling me all this, CI?

I didn't blame the US for Russian deaths.

Quote:
That the US casualty rate was low only speaks well of our military's capabilities and skills at fighting wars.


This is pure speculation, not a verified fact. But no matter, the point I was making, the only point was that the absolute focus by many people, not all, on what America has done.
georgeob1
 
  1  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 12:18 pm
@JTT,
Other factors JTT leaves out are Stalin's competition with Hitler to seize power in Germany itself. For many Germans the principal attraction of Hitler was that he was opposed to the German Communist Party, then a very formidable force that took its marching orders from Moscow.

Then there was the Nazi Soviet non-aggression pact under which the USSR seized the Baltic Republics (transporting about 1/3rd of their populations to Siberia and repalcing them with Russians) and mutual invasion of Poland soon afterward. The USSR was from the start Hitler's principal enemy both from political considerations and his twisted ethnic views and ambitions for the physical expansion of the German Reich.

We had as much reason to oppose the USSR as Hitler in WWII but President Roosevelt found it convenient to treat them as newly reformed and heroic allies. Churchill was always skeptical of this, and history has largely demonstrated he was right..

The Soviets didn't do "more than their share" of the fighting in WWII. Instead they did exactly what they, their policy and their implaccable foe in Germany required. While the 20 million civilian and military casualties that occurred were truly horrible, they were of the same order of magnitude of the deaths Stalin had already imposed on Ukhranians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians and Poles - as well as Russian dissenters - even before the fighting started.

A case can be made that our bombing of cities in Europe and Japan was excessive. However that also implies that Roosevelt's demand for unconditional surrender was also wrong and that a political accomodation with the German and Japanese Governments was preferable to what we did. How would you deal with all that?

I recognize that these sometimes perverse complications of the real world threaten the purity of your ever self-righteous moral indignation. so perhaps you might just ignore them.
okie
 
  0  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 12:34 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

We had as much reason to oppose the USSR as Hitler in WWII but President Roosevelt found it convenient to treat them as newly reformed and herois allies. Churchill was always skeptical of this, anh history has largely demonstrated he was right..

George, from my reading, Churchill also recognized that Hitler was probably the most immediate and most serious evil that had to be defeated. Yes, he did find it distasteful to be on the same side as the Soviets, but he did as Roosevelt did, he chose the lesser of two evils at that particular point in history. By the way, I think your recounting of history here does indeed buttress my argument that both communism and Nazism were considered to the left, one being international socialism and the other being a nationalistic form of socialism, and both enemies of freedom and conservatism, and perhaps Churchill recognized this even more than did FDR. FDR, the icon of socialism via the New Deal in the United States, had a greater sympathy for communism I think, and if I read your post correctly I sense that you may agree.
JTT
 
  1  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 12:35 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Other factors JTT leaves out ...


I didn't leave out any factors, George. I was addressing this one point:

Of course there were many US military personnel who died but it's always addressed as though they are the only ones who suffered and died.

As a percentage of population the numbers are not that large [which doesn't render the individual sacrifice as any less].


Shall we consider the innumerable factors that you always leave out, the serious ones, the crimes against humanity/the war crimes ones?

Quote:
A case can be made that our bombing of cities in Europe and japan was excessive. However that also implies that Roosevelts demand for unconditional surrender was also wrong and that a political accomodation with the german and japanese Governments was preferable to what we did. How would you deal with all that.

I recognize that these sometimes perverse complications of the real world threaten the purity of your ever self-righteous moral indignation. so perhaps you might just ignore them.


Cut the crap, George. Can we bury the vacuous intimation that the actions of Stalins and the Hitlers provide a pass for others who committed crimes that were only reduced in number?

These things should be dealt with by, what else, the rule of law, you know, things like this;

Quote:
The War Crimes Act of 1996, a federal statute set forth at 18 U.S.C. § 2441, makes it a federal crime for any U.S. national, whether military or civilian, to violate the Geneva Convention by engaging in murder, torture, or inhuman treatment.

The statute applies not only to those who carry out the acts, but also to those who ORDER IT, know about it, or fail to take steps to stop it. The statute applies to everyone, no matter how high and mighty.

18 U.S.C. § 2441 has no statute of limitations, which means that a war crimes complaint can be filed at any time.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1159





okie
 
  0  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 12:38 pm
@JTT,
The United States on balance has been a tremendous force for good. I get the impression, JTT, that you are one of many that have fallen prey to indoctrination by leftist professors or teachers somewhere along the way in your growing up into adulthood.
dyslexia
 
  2  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 12:44 pm
@okie,
Quote:
I think I agree with you on that, George.
I'm quite sure georgeOB is relieved that,Okie.
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JTT
 
  1  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 12:47 pm
@okie,
Quote:
The United States on balance has been a tremendous force for good.


Ican, or was it you, Okie, put this silly argument to rest? Pointing up the good in some does not relieve the war criminals/mass murderers/perpetrators of crimes against humanity of their culpability.

You haven't answered a ton of questions. One, I asked you if you believed that Smedley Butler was lying.

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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 12:54 pm
@JTT,
Your only focus is to denigrate America and Americans. You're just a bigoted hypocrite.
okie
 
  0  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 12:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I think I agree, ci, I don't take it lightly to accuse anyone of bigotry but JTT does seem to have some deep hangups against this country. I have always had a hard time understanding self hatred and hatred of one's own country. Good for you, ci, I love it when fellow Americans, Republican or Democrat, conservative or liberal, stick up for common sense values. I have never been one to say this country is perfect and probably never will be, but on balance we have been a force for the good side of the balance.
georgeob1
 
  2  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 01:04 pm
@JTT,
Well you have indirectly answered my question. You don't allow the often perverse complexities of the real world to alter or complicate your narrow minded and shrill judgements. Moreover you don't consider the often real justifications for war. Instead you merely continue with your shrill moralistic judgements based only on mortality. OK by me if you do. However there's a clue hear as to why almost no one here takes you seriously - if you will take it.

However I suspect you will elect to preserve your moral purity and ignore the real world. Miniver Cheevy sitting alone on his hill bemoaning the world's failure to regognize his greatness.
JTT
 
  1  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 01:05 pm
@okie,
Quote:
but on balance we have been a force for the good side of the balance.


That's some scale you have there, Okie. Something on the order of six million dead, and I believe that's just since WWII, millions more lives ruined, hell two illegal invasions going on right at this moment, invasions that were started with a pack of lies, [what's new there, eh?] and you think on balance, the force has been good.

Now that's seriously demented thinking.

You still haven't answered about Smedley Butler. Was he lying?
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ican711nm
 
  0  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 01:07 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
There is a large group of Americans that have not done good. They have done great evil and they also deserve to be recognized and held accountable for these evils.

I agree that group is too large and must be made smaller!
By the way, who are they and what did they do?
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dyslexia
 
  1  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 01:13 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Moreover you don't consider the often real justifications for war.
WW I comes to mind.
JTT
 
  1  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 01:14 pm
@georgeob1,
The perverse complexities of the real world, George, do not mitigate war crimes. You want to drive the point home, relying on your usual deception, that they do. They don't, for the obvious reason that any country can find "reasonable" excuse to justify what they do.

You further want to continue your devious practices, shared by many here, of turning this into a shoot the messenger. Nowhere have you ever addressed that these issues do not come from my imagination. You have never addressed that, just one instance, they come from a former CIA agent who was right in the thick of these crimes and the information that he presented came from Congressional sources.

What's your next nefarious little ploy?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 02:34 pm
@JTT,
Who ever said it mitigates war crimes? When men go to war, they do stuff they ordinarily wouldn't do. You need a lesson in human behavior - and psychology.
JTT
 
  1  
Sat 28 Aug, 2010 02:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Who ever said it mitigates war crimes?


Now that's hilarious, CI.

I've asked this already, no takers.

Out of all the numerous possibilities, list for me, if you will, any US citizens that have been convicted for war crimes/crimes against humanity.
 

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