Obama '08?

And it isn't as if I am alone, because I am not at all

In a proclamation to the German Nation February 1, 1933 Hitler stated, The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life.

And what's your position on the teaching of evolution JT?

It is the survival of the fittest red in tooth and claw. Shift out anything that gets in the way.

You seem to be confused to me. The Christians would be getting their panties into a soggy bunch over a few deaths wouldn't they.

Christians have never been reluctant to spill blood. Many in the USA call themselves Christian and the last dolt they had as prez pretended to be one, but they spill blood as well or better than the Brits ever did.

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Christians have never been reluctant to spill blood. Many in the USA call themselves Christian and the last dolt they had as prez pretended to be one, but they spill blood as well or better than the Brits ever did.

And probably saved hundreds of thousands of lives in Iraq as well as perhaps other places in the world by spilling the blood of terrorist insurgents and Al Qaeda sympathizers. Without the willingness to give your life in the cause of freedom, you will have none, JTT. Have you heard of the saying, "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death" ?

I can see the arguments for both sides, cyclops. However, witness right now your party, including Obama and Biden talking about the credit they deserve for helping bring about a peaceful Iraq that is hopefully ready to govern itself. You can't have it both ways, cyclops, and neither should Biden and Obama, or you. If they really believed what they said they did, they would have pulled all troops out of the country by months ago.

I resent the attitude of liberals that we create more terrorists by combating terrorists.

That is akin to saying we create more criminals or murderers by arresting and imprisoning criminals or murderers, which is frankly silly.

We are not responsible for what terrorists do, nor are we responsible for the decisions of people to become terrorists because they harbor hatreds and resentments.

I vigorously disagree. Your reasoning is not accurate, as in fact sometimes innocent bystanders are injured when criminals are apprehended, but it in no way is a credible argument that we should quit arresting and punishing criminals.

You can feel guilty for creating terrorists, but I do not. I have never created a terrorist, so you can carry around guilt if you wish, but I do not particularly care to feel guilty for stuff that I have not done.

The argument isn't that we shouldn't be arresting and punishing terrorists; it's against invading countries and punishing the population while we do so. It creates lasting and life-long resentments which lead to further violence and crime. Cycloptichorn

that the resolution to give Bush authority was passed by Congress, end of story.

The argument isn't that we shouldn't be arresting and punishing terrorists; it's against invading countries and punishing the population

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush and his top aides publicly made 935 false statements about the security risk posed by Iraq in the two years following September 11, 2001, according to a study released Tuesday by two nonprofit journalism groups.
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President Bush addresses the nation as the Iraq war begins in March 2003.

"In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003," reads an overview of the examination, conducted by the Center for Public Integrity and its affiliated group, the Fund for Independence in Journalism.

According to the study, Bush and seven top officials -- including Vice President Dick Cheney, former Secretary of State Colin Powell and then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice -- made 935 false statements about Iraq during those two years.

The study was based on a searchable database compiled of primary sources, such as official government transcripts and speeches, and secondary sources -- mainly quotes from major media organizations. Video See CNN viewers' reactions to the study »

The study says Bush made 232 false statements about Iraq and former leader Saddam Hussein's possessing weapons of mass destruction, and 28 false statements about Iraq's links to al Qaeda.

Bush has consistently asserted that at the time he and other officials made the statements, the intelligence community of the U.S. and several other nations, including Britain, believed Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
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Responding to the study Wednesday, White House spokesman Scott Stanzel did not speak directly to the "false claims" characterization.

But he said the United States was part of a broad coalition of nations that took part in the Iraq invasion and that the invasion was based on intelligence from multiple countries.

He called Hussein a threat to international security and a sponsor of terrorism, and said the world is better off without him. White House press secretary Dana Perino called the study "flawed."

"They only looked at members of the administration, rather than looking at members of Congress or people around the world," she said. "Because as you'll remember, we were part of a broad coalition of countries that deposed a dictator based on a collective understanding of the intelligence."

"And the other thing that that study fails to do is to say that after realizing that there was no WMD, as we thought as a collective body that there was, that this White House, the President set about to make reforms in the intelligence community to make sure that it doesn't happen again."

Bush has repeatedly said that despite the intelligence flaws, removing Hussein from power was the right thing to do.

The study, released Tuesday, says Powell had the second-highest number of false statements, with 244 about weapons and 10 about Iraq and al Qaeda.

Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Press Secretary Ari Fleischer each made 109 false statements, it says. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz made 85, Rice made 56, Cheney made 48 and Scott McLellan, also a press secretary, made 14, the study says.

"It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al Qaeda," the report reads, citing multiple government reports, including those by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the 9/11 Commission and the multinational Iraq Survey Group, which reported that Hussein had suspended Iraq's nuclear program in 1991 and made little effort to revive it.

The overview of the study also calls the media to task, saying most media outlets didn't do enough to investigate the claims.