plainoldme
 
  0  
Sat 14 Aug, 2010 01:28 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:
Worse yet, these passages foretold the nonsense a great many people would choose to believe.


Funny, I don't remember anything about Hitler being a leftist in the work of Orwell.
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plainoldme
 
  0  
Sat 14 Aug, 2010 01:29 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:
These nonsensical passages foretold what nonsensical passages were going to be presented in 2010


Calm down! You are talking about a novel and not scripture. There are no prophecies!
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realjohnboy
 
  2  
Sat 14 Aug, 2010 02:43 pm
President Obama's approval/disapproval ratings have been unusually volatile in the last week or so. They are likely to bounce around a lot in the next few days following his comments last night regarding the proposed Islamic center in NYC.
Here are numbers from Rasmussen (which are pretty closely mirrored by the compilation of polls reported by RCP). Remember that Rasmussen uses a 3-day rolling poll. The numbers for today, August 14th, for example reflect polling on the 11th through the 13th. The report for tomorrow will include just one day of his post-Islamic center speech. The full 3-day cycle will get reported on Tuesday morning, August 17th.
Aug 14: Strongly Approve (26%) - Strongly Disapprove (42%) = -16.
............ Approve (46%) - Disapprove (53%) = -7.
Aug 11: Strongly Approve (24%) - Strongly Disapprove (46%) = -22.
........... Approve (43%) - Disapprove (56%) = -13.
Aug 8: Strongly Approve (31%) - Strongly Disapprove (41%) = -10.
.......... Approve (48%) - Disapprove (51%) = -3.
JTT
 
  1  
Sat 14 Aug, 2010 03:15 pm
@ican711nm,
The only confusion is yours, Ican. Three to four million "saved" in Vietnam, well over a hundred thousand dead, a million refugees in Iraq, all because of a bunch of lies. How many tens of thousands in Afghanistan, again, an illegal invasion based on a bunch of lies.

The millions lying in their graves say; "Stop saving the oppressed of the world, you really suck at it!"
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realjohnboy
 
  1  
Sat 14 Aug, 2010 04:29 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

I am not going to introduce this, just ask that you watch it all the way through. It is only 31 seconds long but the last second is the most important!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WOzLUarLHU&feature=player_embedded


I note, POM. that Quayle is running for an open seat in a decidedly conservative part of AZ (3rd District). He will win and will be off to D.C. to raise hell or whatever he said.
I wonder if he will do what no other elected Republican has done: move to impeach the "worst President in history."
djjd62
 
  1  
Sat 14 Aug, 2010 04:34 pm
@ican711nm,
let's not forget FOX

plenty of newspeak there, no spin zones and the **** that glenn beck spews


oh, let's not forget that new right wing rapper MC Laura S, she drops the N word like nobodies business
plainoldme
 
  1  
Sat 14 Aug, 2010 10:11 pm
@realjohnboy,
We will all have to wait and see.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Sat 14 Aug, 2010 10:15 pm
@djjd62,
Is it okie or ican or gungasnake . . . they are all so alike that they should wear numbered jerseys as baseball players do so we can tell which one is which . . . that likes to post unflattering pictures of Democratic women and supposedly 'glamourous shots' of Republican women?

Well, ABC ran an absolutely horrific picture of laura in their internet release. She looked like the sort of older woman who wears too much makeup that Phyllis Diller once called, "a white prune."
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mysteryman
 
  2  
Mon 16 Aug, 2010 06:35 am
Well, this is interesting.
The dems are proposing to cut food stamps AGAIN.
They have already cut the money for food stamps once, now they want to do it again.
I thought they cared about people...

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/114271-dems-consider-more-food-stamp-cuts-to-fund-child-nutrition-bill

parados
 
  2  
Mon 16 Aug, 2010 07:11 am
@mysteryman,
That's a good example of the hypocrisy of the right MM.

Demand cuts be made and then attack the dems when they do make cuts.
plainoldme
 
  0  
Mon 16 Aug, 2010 07:21 am
@parados,
Did you see Jon Stewart sound off on Republicans voting against medical support for the 911 first responders in the name of the budget?
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okie
 
  -1  
Mon 16 Aug, 2010 10:32 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

That's a good example of the hypocrisy of the right MM.

Demand cuts be made and then attack the dems when they do make cuts.

No, its a good example of the hypocrisy of the left. Cuts in spending do not by definition include cuts in food stamps. I am conservative, and I would cut numerous other programs before I would food stamps. I think this is nothing more than a political ploy by the Democrats, but it does in fact show their hypocrisy very plainly as mysteryman has rightly pointed out.
dyslexia
 
  2  
Mon 16 Aug, 2010 10:59 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Well, this is interesting.
The dems are proposing to cut food stamps AGAIN.
They have already cut the money for food stamps once, now they want to do it again.
I thought they cared about people...

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/114271-dems-consider-more-food-stamp-cuts-to-fund-child-nutrition-bill


well, lets hope some common sense prevails to not cut food stamps (a tall order I know) food stamps are very important for children/families and elderly.
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parados
 
  4  
Mon 16 Aug, 2010 11:22 am
@okie,
Quote:
No, its a good example of the hypocrisy of the left. Cuts in spending do not by definition include cuts in food stamps. I am conservative, and I would cut numerous other programs before I would food stamps

Which programs would you cut okie?
ican711nm
 
  -2  
Mon 16 Aug, 2010 11:36 am
ODDEM (i.e., Obama Democrat Disassembling Egregious Maligners) have no respect for truth. ODDEM are fanatic followers of Saul Alinsky principles. In particular, ODDEM adhere to these Saul Alinsky principles:

Quote:

(1) Radicals should be "political relativists and take an agnostic view of means and ends;

(2) To say that corrupt means corrupt the ends is to believe in the immaculate conception of ends and principles.

(3) The radical is not a reformer of the system but its would-be destroyer;

(4) The revolutionary’s purpose is to undermine the system by taking from the HAVES and giving it to the HAVENOTS;

(5) We are not virtuous and are really cowards for not wanting power, because power is good and powerlessness is evil;

6) The radical organizer does not have a fixed truth—truth to him is relative and changing because everything to him is relative and changing;

(7) The most basic principle for radicals is lie to opponents and disarm them by pretending to be moderates and liberals;

(8) The stated issue is never the real issue, because the real issue is always the revolution;

(9) The stated cause is never the real cause, but is only a means to advance the real cause of accumulation of power to make the revolution;

(10) The real objective of the revolution is a democracy which upends all social hierarchies, including those based on merit.


okie
 
  -1  
Mon 16 Aug, 2010 11:49 am
@parados,
I am a pretty analytical person, Parados, my daughter accuses me of being too analytical and therefore too procrastinating about everything. For example, I analyze my utility bills, cell phone bills, and all of that all the time. I also do much research and screen things down from a broad selection of cars until I settle on one car. My daughter complains of bills like her phone and cell phone bills, but I constantly point out that she should go over the billing, analyze them carefully by charting all the stuff out, and she could eliminate features that would cut her phone bills down.

With that said, I think that sets the stage for answering your question. I do not think I can give you a solid laundry list of what I would cut first without first having the time and familiarity with all of the budget items, and I do not have that time and familiarity. However, I can give you some preliminary probables, that being I do not think I would cut Food Stamps first. I would look into cutting the Department of Interior and Department of Agriculture both programs and personnel, as I know personally of wasteful spending in the Bureau of Land Management and Forest Service for example. Other places I would go over with a fine toothed comb would be the Department of Education, and in fact I think most of that responsibility should be shifted back to State and Local authorities. The department could potentially be totally eliminated. The Department of Energy is another huge area of potential wasteful spending. Also HUD. To conclude my answer, I am sure there are many bureaucracies with tremendous waste, and I would go over every budget item very carefully before naming all of my priorities in cuts. I would not propose cuts without first doing my homework very carefully.

Based upon my first impressions however, I don't think cutting Food Stamps is a very wise thing to do, as you are punishing citizens rather than fat bureaucracies. My gut feeling is that it is the fat bureaucracies that should be cut before citizens are punished. I wonder, I don't know for sure, but I wonder if the Democrats cutting of Food Stamps could be simply a ploy of bureaucrats cutting first where the citizens first notice it, so that they can sway the public opinion toward accepting a tax hike. Kind of like shutting down the Statue of Liberty or some other monument that is visited by hundreds of thousands of people, or like a city government shutting down trash pickup instead of lowering the exorbitant salaries of the city managers for example. Such has been a favorite ploy of bureaucrats angling for tax hikes to pad their own pockets with more salary increases.

Actually, Food Stamps may be part of the Dept. of Agriculture, but I think there are plenty of other programs in that department and other departments to possibly cut first.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 16 Aug, 2010 11:50 am
@okie,
okie, Your analysis begins and ends with misinformation and creation of history that never existed or exists.
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spendius
 
  0  
Mon 16 Aug, 2010 11:52 am
@okie,
But okie--the US economy is built on waste as defined my Mr Veblen. Think of the savings if you got all the women in burkas for example and I doubt it would make any difference to the strike rate. It might even improve it.
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okie
 
  -1  
Mon 16 Aug, 2010 12:16 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

6) The radical organizer does not have a fixed truth—truth to him is relative and changing because everything to him is relative and changing;

All of the points fit well, but #6 fits Obama to a tee, ican. He learned well from Saul Alinsky and all of his other radical mentors.
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parados
 
  3  
Mon 16 Aug, 2010 02:45 pm
@okie,
Quote:
I would look into cutting the Department of Interior and Department of Agriculture both programs and personnel

ROFLMAO..
Food stamps is part of the agriculture department okie.
You apply for them at the Dept of Ag website
http://www.snap-step1.usda.gov/fns/


Quote:
I am sure there are many bureaucracies with tremendous waste, and I would go over every budget item very carefully before naming all of my priorities in cuts. I would not propose cuts without first doing my homework very carefully.
This shows how bereft of common sense you are okie.
You haven't done any homework but you are sure there is tremendous waste? Common sense should tell you that you can't tell how much waste there is unless you do your homework.

Quote:
Actually, Food Stamps may be part of the Dept. of Agriculture, but I think there are plenty of other programs in that department and other departments to possibly cut first.
Oh, you figured it out. So, if there are plenty of other programs then tell us what they are okie. By the way, food stamps and other nutrition programs make up 70% of the budget for the USDA. The discretionary spending at the USDA that isn't food nutrition programs is only $26 billion. Unless you are willing to cut food nutrition programs, food safety, forest service, and crop insurance you aren't going to make much of a dent in the USDA budget.

Here is the USDA budget okie.. take a few minutes and make some cuts.
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?navid=BUDGET
I look forward to you actually looking at something before you make a fool of yourself.
 

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