Obama '08?

I love it when I check on a thread I am following and discover the last post was from someone intelligent and witty. If the last post is from ican or okie or their ilk, I sometimes wait until a sensible person posts.

Many of us here think the exact same thing about the level of executive compensation in this country: that it is taking away moneys that the underlings have earned.

This is for all the normal people:

ican wrote, yet again:


Private property? Really?? What private property? Cars? Camera? Cashmere sweaters? Sofas? Cups and saucers?

Massive gassive and ican are two separate people. Actually, massagatto was capable of bringing up more topics than ican ever does.

massagatto was a dictionary compared to ican.

Certainly in the profanity department.

POM: Are you sure?

Sure about what? That ican and masso are separate folks or that masso had a broader range of interests?

Both are what my mother would have called, "broken records," but what rightie isn't?

I noticed ican keep posting streams of useless data just like Massagato except now he restrains himself.

Good question!

The whole "taxing and subsidizing" problem, while it began prior to 1913, began to grow rapidly in 1913 and thereafter.
Wilson did it.
Hoover did it.
Roosevelt did it.
So did all those that followed. While I was eligible to vote in 1952 and after, it took me too damn long to understand just how corrupting and distructive "taxing and subsidizing" would become. I was too distracted by starting and raising a family, solving computer engineering problems, and after I retired from engineering, starting and running an aviation business. What finally woke me up was the realization that "taxing and subsidizing," if continued to grow at its now current pace, would ruin the lives of my 7 grandchildren.

Bush expanded "taxing and subsidizing" signifiicantly by 2008.
However, Obama while blaming Bush for causing the recession, has chosen to not only continue what Bush did, he has greatly expanded what Bush did.

It's obviously too late to impeach and remove Bush and his predecessors for their "taxing and subsidizing"--besides that won't help my grandchildren. But it certainly isn't too late to stop, impeach and remove Obama for his far greater and far more distructive "taxing and subsidizing."

Without government subsidizing you wouldn't have either the computer or the aviation industry. The Pentagon thru DARPA subsidized the Internet in universities and also aviation. It was WWII that made metallic aircrafts possible as prior to the war all plane were made of wood. Jets were created from the war effort with Germans and the British creating the first jet engines.

I think money is the most significant private property. Then one's home and land and other real estate are next most significant. All that stuff you mentioned is of lesser importance and value.

But perhaps not of lesser importance was a 62 year old's Learjet airplane, manufactured by a rich man's business, purchased by a 100% loan at 10.5% interest from rich people, and flown by that 62 year old with a co-pilot on charter flights day and night for other rich all over the USA!

Damn that was fun!

Talk72000, government subsidies just raised the cost of most everything including education. My 4 years of engineering college cost me a total of less than $1400 a year, which I was able to earn myself each preceeding summer working for another rich man--Good Humor Ice Cream. My kids working more hours per day each summer than I did could barely earn half their college costs, after the feds started subsidizing college education. I had to work pretty hard to pay the rest myself.

Can you just imagine that he can "think?"

Taxation isn't a problem for you. OK.. we got that out of the way. Now we can move on to people collecting money from the government for not doing anything. So, you turned 21 in 1952? That means you are collecting SS, doesn't it? You are getting money from the government while not earning it. I find that rather ironic, don't you ican?

I'm in a generous mood tonight.

You may be talking about guys like Obama buddie Franklin Raines of Fannie Mae, right?

Yep, and pretty much everybody at AIG, Shearson, Goldman Sachs, WaMu, and their like, who think that gambling with other people's money on absurd risks, and losing huge amounts for their clients, somehow means that they're entitled to rake off tens of millions of dollars apiece for themselves.

Remember, we the taxpayers are obligated to bail out the likes of Fannie and Freddie, while the situation may differ for companies like AIG. At least that is my opinion on how it should be. So, why haven't we called to account the corruption in Fannie and Freddie? Answer is because the Democrats built the train wreck waiting to happen, they know it, and so they don't want to have to examine and cross examine the facts and the people involved.

Kinda like the 9-11 Commission, eh, Okie. Seems like nobody wants to do nuttin' about the troubles that plague the pore ole US of A.