@ican711nm,
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I claim President Obama has violated his oath of office and should therefore be impeached and removed.
OK.. let's assume for a moment that Obama has violated his oath of office.
Now.. show us where in the US Constitution it says violating his oath is a condition for impeachment.
Either you believe we have to take the Constitution literally or you don't. Since there is nothing in the Constitution then you have to admit that we can "interpret meanings."
@ican711nm,
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I think it obvious that a president who violates his oath of office is violating the Constitution and is committing a high crime or a high misdemeanor. In fact, I think it stupid to claim otherwise.
What you think is "obvious" doesn't count as fact in a trial. Provide evidence. Without evidence in the US form of justice then there can not be a conviction.
Do you respect the US Constitution or not ican? If you do then you will provide evidence before claiming we should impeach someone. If you don't respect the constitution then go ahead and make an ass of yourself.
@parados,
To ican, it is "obvious" that Hitler was a left-winger. Whether he considers the Freedom Summer people on the left or the right, he never says. I am certain, that to ican, it is "obvious" that the KKK is not on the right end of the spectrum!
You ODD (i.e., Obama Democrat Disassemblers) are repeatedly requesting evidence, but supply none of your own.
Where is your evidence that the following is not true? Or, what is your evidence that the plethora of evidence I have already repeatedly provided is not evidence?
If allowed to persist, leftists advocating socialism inevitably become corrupted by their power and establish dictatorships: for example, Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, et cetera ... Castro, Chavez ...
Obviously, the left is not based on citizen control of the state and decision-making. Instead, if the left is permitted power too long, then it evolves into dictatorship. To gain greater control of the citizens it seeks to rule, it propagandizes the claim that it is for increasing citizen control of the state and its decision making , but actually it operates to reduce, not increase, citizen control of the state and its decision making.
You ODD, and like you your predecessors, believe that claims of intending betterment of the human race count for more than the reality of what the left actually did and does. You're mind is as manipulatable as were the minds of too many Germans under Hitler and too many Russians under Stalin.
People For the American Way have been lying about the Right, and Conservatives in particular, for years. They, and now the ODD too, continue to emulate Saul Alinsky's sick behavior and practice his sick doctrines like: the "the ends justify the means; we can create a new world; we can make a new race of men and women who will live in harmony and peace and according to the principles of social justice; we can be as gods."
Where's my evidence, you will surely ask. I ask, where's your evidence that what I have posted here is false.
@ican711nm,
Why are you changing the subject from talking about Obama violating the Constitution ican?
Do you not have any evidence that violating an oath is an impeachable offense?
Do you not admit that the ONLY way for you to make that claim is to "interpret" the Constitution?
Do you not want to admit that if you "interpret" the Constitution then that allows us to "interpret" the meaning of "general welfare" which would invalidate your argument about Obama violating his oath by "giving people money they didn't earn?" Do you not want to admit that allowing Congress to pay the "debts" of the US is not the same thing as hiring someone?
"ODD?" What is this your 20th failed acronym? You're like a Batman villain (the old Adam West TV series specifically).
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IMPEACH & REMOVE ANY PRESIDENT WHO DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THEIR OATH OR AFFIRMATION to faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and to the best of their ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Article II.
Section 1. The President …
Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Section 4,
The President … shall be removed from office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Why do you all argue with ican and okie. There arnt enough facts in the world that will convince them that the "truths" in their mind is gods own truth.
PRESIDENT BARACH OBAMA HAS UNLAWFULLY:
(1) taken private property from those persons and from those organizations who have lawfully earned it, and given it to those persons and organizations who have not lawfully earned it.
(2) exercised the authority of his office to take private property for public use in violation of the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which guarantees to the People that “private property shall not be taken for public use without just compensation,” and without “due process of law.”
(3) interfered with the management of private companies for the purpose of achieving government control of them, in violation of the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.
(4) interfered with the economic rights of the people by imposing unreasonable impairments in the fulfillment of their intended contractual obligations, and their ability to enter into such contracts.
(5) attempted to change our fundamental economic system from one governed by the rule of law to one governed by presidential dictate.
(6) signed an unconstitutional health care bill that is not authorized by any power of Congress enumerated in the Constitution, not even by a very expansive reading of the power to regulate commerce among the several states.
(7) signed an unconstitutional health care bill that violates the Tenth Amendment by requiring state governments to force their citizens to purchase medical insurance they do not want to purchase.
(8) signed an unconstitutional health care bill that violates the Ninth Amendment by forcing state governments to force their citizens to be denied rights that are retained by the people.
(9) used public money to purchase private companies.
(10) given our public money to a foreign state to finance their state-run oil company while refusing to allow us to develop our own oil resources.
(11) violated the balance of powers among the Congress, the Judiciary, and the Presidency by appointing, without congressional approval, so called Czars with far reaching powers who are accountable to no one but himself.
(12) funded his election campaign with foreign contributions.
(13) permitted the justice department to implement a policy to not prosecute any civil rights or voting rights violations if perpetrated by a black or blacks against a white or whites.
@ican711nm,
You're a phuc'n bore, ican.
@ican711nm,
Quote:Article II.
Section 1. The President …
Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Did President Obama make that oath ican?
If he made that oath then he could not have violated that part of the Constitution since the only thing the Constitution does is lay out the oath a President takes.
Your claim that Obama violated that part of the Constitution is based on your making up something that isn't in the Constitution.
@ican711nm,
You are a one-trick pony with your incessant and stupid attacks on Obama.
Presidents who violate their oath of office commit a high misdemeanor. President Obama has violated his oath of office. Thus President Obama has committed a high misdemeanor and has earned his removal from office.
Quote:Article II.
Section 1. The President shall, …
Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Section 4,
The President … shall be removed from office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
@rabel22,
rabel22 wrote:
Why do you all argue with ican and okie. There arnt enough facts in the world that will convince them that the "truths" in their mind is gods own truth.
ican and okie have turned this thread into their personal ditto head thread, they feed each other. why anyone else throws tidbits into their circus is beyond reason.
Seems like the ODD (i.e., Obama Democrat Disassemblers) are unable to post a rational rebuttal today.
@ican711nm,
Quote:Presidents who violate their oath of office commit a high misdemeanor. President Obama has violated his oath of office. Thus President Obama has committed a high misdemeanor and has earned his removal from office.
Oh? really? So did Bush commit a high misdemeanor when he invaded Iraq without Congress declaring war? Did you call for Bush's impeachment at that time?
