Obama '08?

@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

As maporsche did. As you often do: witness your odem harangues.

My Odem claims are ALWAYS followed by evidence. Your claims are not ALWAYS followed by evidence. In fact, your claims are RARELY followed by evidence.

FOR EXAMPLE:
Here is more evidence that the Odem (i.e., Obama democrats) are lying thieving gangsters working to reduce our Liberty under the rule of law, reduce our Constitutional Government, and reduce our Capitalist Economy.

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Heres an interesting article, and it says something about the dems...

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/102657-pelosi-dems-blame-on-bush-still-warranted

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Democrats will keep blaming George W. Bush until the problems from his administration end, according to Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

In an interview with MSNBC, Pelosi said congressional Democrats feel justified in blaming the Bush administration because of the problems it left behind for President Barack Obama.

Asked if there was a statute of limitations on blaming Bush, Pelosi said: "Well, it runs out when the problems go away.

So it makes wonder if she thinks that Obama and the dems will ever be responsible for anything?

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@mysteryman,

I would point out that poll after poll shows that the American public agrees with her, and blames the Republicans and the Bush administration for our current problems.

The idea that we somehow shouldn't be blaming them is ridiculous, when they are highly at fault for what we are facing today.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

And you know that I place no faith in polls, of any kind.
It is to easy to get the answer you want simply by how you word the question.
And I have said that many times in the past.

I would even be willing to grant part of what she says to be true, up till the end of Obama's first year.

He proposed a budget, so any budget problems now belong to Obama.
He pushed for health care, so any problems with that will be his problem.
He sent 30,000 more troops to afghanistan, so that makes it his problem.
He has authorized more special ops troop to operate in more countries, that makes it his problem.

Now, how can you say that its all the fault of Bush?
He hasnt been in office for 18 months, so I will go so far as to say that only the problems in the last 6 months belong to Obama.
If Obama gets re-elected, will the countries problems still belong to Bush?

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

And you know that I place no faith in polls, of any kind.
It is to easy to get the answer you want simply by how you word the question.
And I have said that many times in the past.

I would even be willing to grant part of what she says to be true, up till the end of Obama's first year.

He proposed a budget, so any budget problems now belong to Obama.

The budget problems were CAUSED in large part by idiotic Bush administration decisions. So, no. You're wrong here.

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He pushed for health care, so any problems with that will be his problem.

Fair 'enuff on that one, but then again you don't see them blaming this on Bush, either.

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He sent 30,000 more troops to afghanistan, so that makes it his problem.

He had to do so, b/c Bush didn't get the job done, and someone had to do something. So, no. You're wrong here.

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He has authorized more special ops troop to operate in more countries, that makes it his problem.

I agree with this as well.

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Now, how can you say that its all the fault of Bush?
He hasnt been in office for 18 months, so I will go so far as to say that only the problems in the last 6 months belong to Obama.
If Obama gets re-elected, will the countries problems still belong to Bush?

I say that those things that I noted are the fault of Bush, because they are his fault. He fucked up royally while on the job and then did basically nothing during his last two years b/c he was a laughingstock. Now you want to blame the guy who is forced to clean the place up?

Cycloptichorn

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Cyclo, You can't keep blaming Bush for the current spending by Obama and congress. They're already way over their heads, and will impact our economic future for many decades. That's because the world economy is in trouble, and our economy is tied to the world economy. The deficit will get larger, and that will result in uncontrolled inflation before any economy sees material improvement.

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@cicerone imposter,

Yo! Hi, Cicerone! Where have you been and how have you been?

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

The a2k Polonius who tiresomely drones on and on and on and on in run-on sentences?

A valiant effort at literary allusion, but which one of your A2K furies can be reasonably compared to Polonius?

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

I have never criticized first. Any criticism is in response to an insult.

And still you advance this nonsense as if anyone believes it.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

Frankly, you give evidence of being a monster. As I told you, you tore into a third party who hadn't addressed you. Insulting others is so deeply ingrained in you that you probably can not hold a civil conversation.

Irrespective of any reasonable assessment of maporche, describing him as a "monster" is a sign of delusion or ignorance.

Oh wait, I'm responding to plainoldme - that explains it.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Figure it out for yourself.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

It is true. I only insult those who insult me first. I put those who insult others on ignore. Calling some a liar for the sake of screaming liar does not flatter you or anyone else.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

Figure it out for yourself.

I did --- none.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

It is true. I only insult those who insult me first. I put those who insult others on ignore. Calling some a liar for the sake of screaming liar does not flatter you or anyone else.

It is not true.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Thanks Finn. I of course am not a monster. Nor do I show ANY signs of being one.

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@Cycloptichorn,

There are other things that we can say are Obama's fault.

Now while I do not blame the oil spill on him, I do blame him for the lack of response.
Here it is, over a month since the spill, and what has been done?

There have been offers from other countries to send skimmers, but Obama, citing the Jones Act, has refused the aid.
There are booms sitting in warehouses, not being used.
There are boom making companies offering to help, but Obama and the govt have refused.
There should have been a disaster declaration within 2 days, but Obama waited a month.

The EPA wont let them burn the oil off, because of the environmental disaster it could cause. nor will they let states build sand barriers, because of the environmental impact they could have.

And yet, there are still people in the administration that are blaming Bush for this disaster.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/pelosi-blames-bush-administration-for-bp-oil-spill-95175304.html

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/05/breaking-chris-dodd-blames-bush-for-gulf-oil-spillactual-video.html

So, why are they blaming Bush for something that happened 18 months after he left office?
When are they ever going to take responsibility?

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Considering the Bush cabal and right wing radio still blamed everything on Clinton in 2008, I'd say we have a certain amount of leeway on how long we can blame Bush, particularly since Bush did such a thorough job of screwing up.

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@cicerone imposter,

I was getting worried about you because we hadent heard from you for so long. Hi.

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@MontereyJack,

And when the right blamed Clinton, every left leaning person on here got upset and said that Clinton was not to blame, because he wasnt president.

Now, you are doing exactly what you dissaproved of.
Doesnt that make you hypocritical?

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@mysteryman,

Bush and the republican government that had complete controll for six years and partial controll for eight years passed laws that gave big business the right to do anything they pleased. Thats bad enough but they also tried to bankrupt soc sec by passing the medicare drug law which they left unfunded even though they knew that Soc.Sec was already in finincal trouble. So yes the Bush's as hol government is responsable for all of our problems, so we should elect more republicans. One more mass rape by them , the conseratives, may finally get through to people like you that they consider you serfs only good for them to exploit.

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