ican711nm
 
  -3  
Fri 11 Jun, 2010 04:51 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
As maporsche did. As you often do: witness your odem harangues.

My Odem claims are ALWAYS followed by evidence. Your claims are not ALWAYS followed by evidence. In fact, your claims are RARELY followed by evidence.

FOR EXAMPLE:
Here is more evidence that the Odem (i.e., Obama democrats) are lying thieving gangsters working to reduce our Liberty under the rule of law, reduce our Constitutional Government, and reduce our Capitalist Economy.
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http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19320&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
ARIZONA LAW IS HATED BECAUSE IT COULD BE EFFECTIVE

To understand the hysterical reaction to Arizona's new immigration initiative, consider the numbers, says Heather Mac Donald, a contributing editor at City Journal and a co-author of "The Immigration Solution."

For example:
"? There are 6,000 federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents tasked with restoring the rule of law in a country that already contains between 12 and 20 million immigration law-breakers.
"? Any intending illegal immigrant knows that if he can get across the border undetected, he faces a minute risk of being apprehended on U.S. soil.
"? By comparison, the New York Police Department, with a current headcount of 35,000, feels itself greatly understaffed in a compact city of eight million residents, only a portion of whom are law-breakers.

The Arizona law, were it to be widely emulated, threatens to disrupt the calculus of illegal immigration, says Mac Donald. There are 650,000 state and local police officers in the United States. If a significant portion of those officers received the mandate of the Arizona law -- to inquire where practicable into the immigration status of an individual they have legitimately stopped, if they have a valid reason to believe he is in the country illegally -- the balance between law enforcement and law-breaking would be changed enough to likely deter illegal border crossings and to persuade many illegal immigrants already in the United States to return to their home countries rather than face arrest and deportation.

The opponents of Arizona's law -- SB 1070 -- detest it not because it will lead to racial profiling (it will not), nor because it is unconstitutional (it is not), but because it just might work, says Mac Donald. Texas is reportedly already considering a similar law. The illegal immigrant lobby knows that it has to stop SB 1070 if it wants to maintain its monopoly over border matters, a monopoly that has led to the chaos that is now engulfing Arizona.

Source: Heather Mac Donald, "Arizona law is hated because it could be effective," Washington Examiner, May 5, 2010.
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http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19320&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
ARIZONA LAW IS HATED BECAUSE IT COULD BE EFFECTIVE

To understand the hysterical reaction to Arizona's new immigration initiative, consider the numbers, says Heather Mac Donald, a contributing editor at City Journal and a co-author of "The Immigration Solution."
For example:
"? There are 6,000 federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents tasked with restoring the rule of law in a country that already contains between 12 and 20 million immigration law-breakers.
"? Any intending illegal immigrant knows that if he can get across the border undetected, he faces a minute risk of being apprehended on U.S. soil.
"? By comparison, the New York Police Department, with a current headcount of 35,000, feels itself greatly understaffed in a compact city of eight million residents, only a portion of whom are law-breakers.

The Arizona law, were it to be widely emulated, threatens to disrupt the calculus of illegal immigration, says Mac Donald. There are 650,000 state and local police officers in the United States. If a significant portion of those officers received the mandate of the Arizona law -- to inquire where practicable into the immigration status of an individual they have legitimately stopped, if they have a valid reason to believe he is in the country illegally -- the balance between law enforcement and law-breaking would be changed enough to likely deter illegal border crossings and to persuade many illegal immigrants already in the United States to return to their home countries rather than face arrest and deportation.

The opponents of Arizona's law -- SB 1070 -- detest it not because it will lead to racial profiling (it will not), nor because it is unconstitutional (it is not), but because it just might work, says Mac Donald. Texas is reportedly already considering a similar law. The illegal immigrant lobby knows that it has to stop SB 1070 if it wants to maintain its monopoly over border matters, a monopoly that has led to the chaos that is now engulfing Arizona.

Source: Heather Mac Donald, "Arizona law is hated because it could be effective," Washington Examiner, May 5, 2010.
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http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19323&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
A RECOVERY ONLY WASHINGTON COULD LOVE

The White House may tout Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reports showing their $862 billion stimulus created jobs, but the CBO has also admitted their computer simulation did not take any actual new real world data into account, says Conn Carroll, the assistant director for the Heritage Foundation's Strategic Communications.

To the contrary, an independent study of real world stimulus facts found:
"? No statistical correlation between unemployment and how the $862 billion was spent.
"? That Democratic districts received one-and-a-half times as many awards as Republican ones.
"? An average cost of $286,000 was awarded per job created.

And what kind of jobs were created, asks Carroll. According to Gallup the federal government is hiring at a significantly faster pace than the private sector. And data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) confirms that governments are increasing public sector pay at far faster rates than the private sector. None of this should be a surprise. President Obama specifically designed his stimulus to preserve government union jobs.

What happens when big government and the big businesses best capitalized to influence it are the main drivers of economic recovery? The recovery is slower and smaller than it otherwise would have been, says Carroll:
"? A recent study by the Kaufman Foundation found that small businesses have led America out of its last seven recessions, generating about two of every three new jobs during a recovery.
"? But under this Obama recovery, not only are government jobs growing faster than private sector jobs, but jobs are rebounding faster at large employers than small businesses.

There are far more types of small businesses engaged in more kinds of economic activity than Congress can devise special policy to help. This sort of one-off, micro managing, tinkering policy may gain a headline and support, but it will not help small businesses broadly. The more Washington taxes and regulates, the harder it is for small businesses to innovate and force big businesses to be more productive and create new jobs. The more the Obama agenda is implemented, the slower our recovery will be, says Carroll.
Source: Conn Carroll, "A Recovery Only Washington Could Love," Heritage Foundation, May 7, 2010.
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http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19325&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
EXTEND THE BUSH TAX CUTS -- FOR NOW

This is not the time for a tax increase. But unless Congress acts, under current law the existing income tax rates will rise sharply at the beginning of next year. Congress should vote now to extend all of the current tax rates for two years, including the tax rates on dividends, interest and capital gains.

Limiting the resulting tax-rate cuts to two years would reduce the projected future fiscal deficits. The sooner Congress acts, the stronger our prospects for continued economic recovery, says Martin Feldstein, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Ronald Reagan, a professor at Harvard University and a member of the Wall Street Journal's board of contributors.

A tax increase next year could easily derail the current fragile expansion.

The economic upturn since last summer has been nurtured by Federal Reserve credit like the mortgage purchase program and by the fiscal incentives such as the tax credits for car buyers and first-time home buyers that are now coming to an end, says Feldstein:
"? Eighty percent of the latest quarterly gross domestic product (GDP) increase consisted of a rise in consumer spending that was the result of an unrepeatable sharp drop in the saving rate.
"? Without that decline in the saving rate, the first-quarter annual GDP growth rate would have been less than 1 percent.
"? A 2011 tax increase that reduces economic incentives and household spending would raise the risk of a new economic downturn.

President Obama proposes to increase tax rates on high income households while making the existing tax rates permanent for taxpayers below the top tax brackets. While the increase would hit only a relatively small fraction of all households, that group represents a large share of total taxes and of private spending, says Feldstein.

Raising their tax rates would be a substantial blow to overall spending and therefore to GDP growth. Small business investment and hiring would also be adversely affected because half of all profits, including most of small business income, is taxed at personal rates rather than at the corporate rate, says Feldstein.

Source: Martin Feldstein, "Extend the Bush Tax Cuts -- For Now," Wall Street Journal, May 12, 2010.
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Fri 11 Jun, 2010 05:13 pm
Heres an interesting article, and it says something about the dems...

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/102657-pelosi-dems-blame-on-bush-still-warranted

Quote:
Democrats will keep blaming George W. Bush until the problems from his administration end, according to Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

In an interview with MSNBC, Pelosi said congressional Democrats feel justified in blaming the Bush administration because of the problems it left behind for President Barack Obama.


Asked if there was a statute of limitations on blaming Bush, Pelosi said: "Well, it runs out when the problems go away.


So it makes wonder if she thinks that Obama and the dems will ever be responsible for anything?
Cycloptichorn
 
  0  
Fri 11 Jun, 2010 05:16 pm
@mysteryman,
I would point out that poll after poll shows that the American public agrees with her, and blames the Republicans and the Bush administration for our current problems.

The idea that we somehow shouldn't be blaming them is ridiculous, when they are highly at fault for what we are facing today.

Cycloptichorn
mysteryman
 
  1  
Fri 11 Jun, 2010 05:33 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
And you know that I place no faith in polls, of any kind.
It is to easy to get the answer you want simply by how you word the question.
And I have said that many times in the past.

I would even be willing to grant part of what she says to be true, up till the end of Obama's first year.

He proposed a budget, so any budget problems now belong to Obama.
He pushed for health care, so any problems with that will be his problem.
He sent 30,000 more troops to afghanistan, so that makes it his problem.
He has authorized more special ops troop to operate in more countries, that makes it his problem.

Now, how can you say that its all the fault of Bush?
He hasnt been in office for 18 months, so I will go so far as to say that only the problems in the last 6 months belong to Obama.
If Obama gets re-elected, will the countries problems still belong to Bush?

Cycloptichorn
 
  0  
Fri 11 Jun, 2010 05:37 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

And you know that I place no faith in polls, of any kind.
It is to easy to get the answer you want simply by how you word the question.
And I have said that many times in the past.

I would even be willing to grant part of what she says to be true, up till the end of Obama's first year.

He proposed a budget, so any budget problems now belong to Obama.


The budget problems were CAUSED in large part by idiotic Bush administration decisions. So, no. You're wrong here.

Quote:
He pushed for health care, so any problems with that will be his problem.


Fair 'enuff on that one, but then again you don't see them blaming this on Bush, either.

Quote:
He sent 30,000 more troops to afghanistan, so that makes it his problem.


He had to do so, b/c Bush didn't get the job done, and someone had to do something. So, no. You're wrong here.

Quote:
He has authorized more special ops troop to operate in more countries, that makes it his problem.


I agree with this as well.

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Now, how can you say that its all the fault of Bush?
He hasnt been in office for 18 months, so I will go so far as to say that only the problems in the last 6 months belong to Obama.
If Obama gets re-elected, will the countries problems still belong to Bush?


I say that those things that I noted are the fault of Bush, because they are his fault. He fucked up royally while on the job and then did basically nothing during his last two years b/c he was a laughingstock. Now you want to blame the guy who is forced to clean the place up?

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Fri 11 Jun, 2010 07:36 pm
Cyclo, You can't keep blaming Bush for the current spending by Obama and congress. They're already way over their heads, and will impact our economic future for many decades. That's because the world economy is in trouble, and our economy is tied to the world economy. The deficit will get larger, and that will result in uncontrolled inflation before any economy sees material improvement.
realjohnboy
 
  1  
Fri 11 Jun, 2010 07:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yo! Hi, Cicerone! Where have you been and how have you been?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Fri 11 Jun, 2010 10:34 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

The a2k Polonius who tiresomely drones on and on and on and on in run-on sentences?


A valiant effort at literary allusion, but which one of your A2K furies can be reasonably compared to Polonius?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Fri 11 Jun, 2010 10:36 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

I have never criticized first. Any criticism is in response to an insult.


And still you advance this nonsense as if anyone believes it.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Fri 11 Jun, 2010 10:39 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Frankly, you give evidence of being a monster. As I told you, you tore into a third party who hadn't addressed you. Insulting others is so deeply ingrained in you that you probably can not hold a civil conversation.


Irrespective of any reasonable assessment of maporche, describing him as a "monster" is a sign of delusion or ignorance.

Oh wait, I'm responding to plainoldme - that explains it.
plainoldme
 
  0  
Fri 11 Jun, 2010 11:23 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Figure it out for yourself.
plainoldme
 
  0  
Fri 11 Jun, 2010 11:24 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
It is true. I only insult those who insult me first. I put those who insult others on ignore. Calling some a liar for the sake of screaming liar does not flatter you or anyone else.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Fri 11 Jun, 2010 11:27 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Figure it out for yourself.


I did --- none.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Fri 11 Jun, 2010 11:28 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

It is true. I only insult those who insult me first. I put those who insult others on ignore. Calling some a liar for the sake of screaming liar does not flatter you or anyone else.


It is not true.
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maporsche
 
  2  
Sat 12 Jun, 2010 06:35 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Thanks Finn. I of course am not a monster. Nor do I show ANY signs of being one.
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mysteryman
 
  2  
Sat 12 Jun, 2010 06:39 am
@Cycloptichorn,
There are other things that we can say are Obama's fault.

Now while I do not blame the oil spill on him, I do blame him for the lack of response.
Here it is, over a month since the spill, and what has been done?

There have been offers from other countries to send skimmers, but Obama, citing the Jones Act, has refused the aid.
There are booms sitting in warehouses, not being used.
There are boom making companies offering to help, but Obama and the govt have refused.
There should have been a disaster declaration within 2 days, but Obama waited a month.

The EPA wont let them burn the oil off, because of the environmental disaster it could cause. nor will they let states build sand barriers, because of the environmental impact they could have.

And yet, there are still people in the administration that are blaming Bush for this disaster.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/pelosi-blames-bush-administration-for-bp-oil-spill-95175304.html

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/05/breaking-chris-dodd-blames-bush-for-gulf-oil-spillactual-video.html

So, why are they blaming Bush for something that happened 18 months after he left office?
When are they ever going to take responsibility?
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MontereyJack
 
  0  
Sat 12 Jun, 2010 09:11 am
Considering the Bush cabal and right wing radio still blamed everything on Clinton in 2008, I'd say we have a certain amount of leeway on how long we can blame Bush, particularly since Bush did such a thorough job of screwing up.
rabel22
 
  1  
Sat 12 Jun, 2010 09:19 am
@cicerone imposter,
I was getting worried about you because we hadent heard from you for so long. Hi.
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mysteryman
 
  2  
Sat 12 Jun, 2010 11:53 am
@MontereyJack,
And when the right blamed Clinton, every left leaning person on here got upset and said that Clinton was not to blame, because he wasnt president.

Now, you are doing exactly what you dissaproved of.
Doesnt that make you hypocritical?
rabel22
 
  0  
Sat 12 Jun, 2010 04:40 pm
@mysteryman,
Bush and the republican government that had complete controll for six years and partial controll for eight years passed laws that gave big business the right to do anything they pleased. Thats bad enough but they also tried to bankrupt soc sec by passing the medicare drug law which they left unfunded even though they knew that Soc.Sec was already in finincal trouble. So yes the Bush's as hol government is responsable for all of our problems, so we should elect more republicans. One more mass rape by them , the conseratives, may finally get through to people like you that they consider you serfs only good for them to exploit.
 

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