Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 13 May, 2010 11:37 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:

From Douglas Holtz-Eakin


Oh, you mean McCain's former top economics guy during the election?

He is a nakedly partisan Republican cheerleader on economic issues. Not exactly what you would call an unbiased source. He also made a number of extremely foolish comments during the election cycle, which he probably regrets now. Not a trusted source in any way.

Come back with someone who isn't a cheerleader for one side or the other and you'd have more of an argument.

Cycloptichorn
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Thu 13 May, 2010 12:06 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
a former director of the CBO deserves some respect for competence on the subject matter, no matter what you think of his friends or politics.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 13 May, 2010 12:15 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

a former director of the CBO deserves some respect for competence on the subject matter, no matter what you think of his friends or politics.


Pfff, bullshit. All of a sudden you are claiming that holding a government job is an indication of competence? Laughing

Cycloptichorn
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Thu 13 May, 2010 12:18 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Pfff, bullshit. All of a sudden you are claiming that holding a government job is an indication of competence?


You probably do not pay attention enough to know this, but the CBO is one of the few federal government institutions that has largely avoided being distroyed by politics and K street corruption. Yes, I take it as a given that a former head of the CBO has earned some respect, no matter what that person does after, no matter who his friends are, no matter what his politics are.
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Thu 13 May, 2010 12:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:

You probably do not pay attention enough to know this


It's a joke for you to ever say this to me, Hawkeye. Seriously. You do the most basic level of analysis on any issue and then weave it into your constant doom-and-gloom story about the failures of America. Accuracy isn't anywhere near as important to you as meeting the narrative.

Yes, when someone shows themselves to not have strong understanding of our fiscal situation (as Holtz-Eakin did during the campaign) it is a signal that their analysis isn't to be trusted.

Cycloptichorn
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Gargamel
 
  0  
Thu 13 May, 2010 02:41 pm
Or, in plain, not paranoid terms:

http://www.slate.com/id/2253733/?from=rss

Not hard to understand, kids.
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parados
 
  1  
Thu 13 May, 2010 02:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
But if workers have higher wages, they will also qualify for increased Social Security benefits when they retire. So the extra money raised from payroll taxes is already spoken for. (Indeed, it is unlikely to be enough to keep Social Security solvent.) It cannot be used for lowering the deficit.

I have to wonder about a former head of the CBO that would make such on obvious mistake.

Money spoken for in a later year is a future liability but that future liability isn't counted in calculating deficit which is yearly revenues - outlays.

You can't count future SS outlays in the 10 year time frame unless you are either a math "whiz" like ican or purposely misrepresenting numbers.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Thu 13 May, 2010 05:00 pm
@parados,
Quote:
I have to wonder about a former head of the CBO that would make such on obvious mistake.

Money spoken for in a later year is a future liability but that future liability isn't counted in calculating deficit which is yearly revenues - outlays.
I dont think that he was claiming that the deficient number was thus a lie, he was talking about how we shift from one account to pay for another all the while misrepresenting the full costs. In this case revenue now is traded for future liability. This is significant because we have no reasonable likelihood of paying the future liabilities that we already had before this law was passed. The whole thing is a sham, government will collect rev today in exchange for a promise of returning it later with interest, which we can already be fairly certain that they will welsh on.

The Dem's are under the impression that once the promise of healthcare is made that it can not be taken away, that citizen revolt will make in impossible to do so. They should look at California for example of how they are wrong. At some point soon the federal Gov will have no choice but to slash spending, and health care is going to be one of the first programs to be gutted. Government and military pensions will be hit first up as well.
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realjohnboy
 
  0  
Thu 13 May, 2010 08:00 pm
Did yall notice that the Governor (R) of Hawaii today signed a bill passed by the legislature allowing the state to ignore repetitive requests for copies of President Obama's birth certificate? The requests reportedly numbered 10 to 20 a week.
H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Thu 13 May, 2010 08:57 pm
@realjohnboy,
Afterbirth
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Thu 13 May, 2010 09:23 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
But everything he wrote in the piece in question is either well known and widely reported or obviously true. Certainly verifying it would take but a moment of your renowned research abilities. Your objection is based on the clearly false presumption that everything your political opponents say is necessarily false.

Not a very credible dismissal of some obvious political deceptions by the administration. The CBO is of course the same unbiased source that you were using previously to defend earlier scoring of very selective sections of versions of the health Care Bill. Have they suddenly become unreliuable?
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Thu 13 May, 2010 10:01 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
But everything he wrote in the piece in question is either well known and widely reported or obviously true.


But, what he reported wasn't true.

http://www.slate.com/id/2253733/?from=rss

Quote:

Not a very credible dismissal of some obvious political deceptions by the administration. The CBO is of course the same unbiased source that you were using previously to defend earlier scoring of very selective sections of versions of the health Care Bill. Have they suddenly become unreliuable?


The CBO is pretty reliable in my opinion. This doesn't mean that people who used to work at the CBO have an automatic assumption of reliability as well. Especially when their history as a private citizen has been littered with many arguably false and foolish statements.

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
  -1  
Fri 14 May, 2010 12:54 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
But Cycloptichorn your claims are rarely true.

The claims of Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who was the director of the Congressional Budget Office from 2003 to 2005 and is the president of the American Action Forum, a policy institute, are far more frequently true than are yours.
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hawkeye10
 
  -2  
Sat 15 May, 2010 11:12 am
Quote:
This string of bad news has only compounded an already palpable sense of loss and longing on the left, an enveloping fear of the inevitable: rejection. The right, and most importantly, the middle, unnerved by spending in a recession and unhinged by Obama in the White House, have not bought into the liberal vision of a new America. In fact, they’re increasingly weary of it, if not hostile to it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/15/opinion/15blow.html?hp

it is now clear that Obama failed at Politics 101...he miss read the nation and thus over reached in a reckless and irresponsible manor. What do we do now that the great hope has failed, and both parties are ****? It will be interesting to watch.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Sat 15 May, 2010 11:42 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:



it is now clear that Obama failed at Politics 101...he miss read the nation and thus over reached in a reckless and irresponsible manor.
What do we do now that the great hope has failed, and both parties are ****? It will be interesting to watch.


Pop some popcorn, it's going to be a great show.
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Gargamel
 
  0  
Sat 15 May, 2010 01:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
a reckless and irresponsible manor.


Are you sure he hasn't overreached in a reckless an irresponsible estate? What about a mansion? A villa, maybe?
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ican711nm
 
  -1  
Sun 16 May, 2010 03:34 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye 10 wrote:
What do we do now that the great hope has failed, and both parties are ****? It will be interesting to watch.

All we have to do now is determine which of the two parties is the least ****. Actually, all we have to determine is which candidates for Congress are the least ****. In some cases that will be easy. In other cases that will be difficult.

One necessary test is which candidate for a Senate or a House seat is the most specific about what they want done about taxes, spending, energy, terrorism, pollution, immigration, health care, education, and bailouts. One thing is for certain. Those candidates which mostly villify their opponents are clearly the most ****.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Sun 16 May, 2010 07:45 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
There is a saying: Good enough for government work.
okie
 
  1  
Sun 16 May, 2010 08:16 pm
@plainoldme,
Alot of the work is unnecessary or wasted in the first place, so why not good enough for something like that?
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mysteryman
 
  -1  
Mon 17 May, 2010 06:14 am
This is interesting, and perhaps telling about this president.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jrOdTcMOyNk3WdFPdJVcjtAX_UTg
Quote:

NEW YORK " US actors and liberal intellectuals joined a list to be published Friday of nearly 2,000 people accusing President Barack Obama of allowing human rights violations and war crimes.

"Crimes are crimes, no matter who does them," the statement reads over pictures of Obama and his predecessor George W. Bush due to appear in the New York Review of Books.

The statement, published as a paid advertisement, accuses Obama, who was elected in 2008 with the enthusiastic support of US liberals, of continuing Bush's controversial approach to human rights in Iraq and Afghanistan, and in domestic security.

It takes aim especially at Obama's decision -- reported by US officials -- to authorize the killing of a radical Islamic cleric and US citizen Anwar al-Awlaki, who is accused of ties to Al-Qaeda in Yemen.

"In some respects this is worse than Bush," the statement says. "First, because Obama has claimed the right to assassinate American citizens whom he suspects of 'terrorism,' merely on the grounds of his own suspicion or that of the CIA, something Bush never claimed publicly."

Among the signatories are linguist Noam Chomsky, "L.A. Confidential" actor James Cromwell, actor Mark Ruffalo and prominent Bush-era anti-war protestor Cindy Sheehan. By midday Thursday there were 1,804 signatures.

They also lambast Obama for having refused "to prosecute any members of the Bush regime who are responsible for war crimes, including some who admitted to waterboarding and other forms of torture, thereby making their actions acceptable for him."


And some of these people are the same ones that the left took seriously when they accused Bush of war crimes.
I wonder if they will be applauded or attacked now?
 

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