sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 1 Mar, 2007 09:05 am
Wow, Bill! Thanks for the article, too, I'd seen that but it's a good one.

Yep, I'm really not surprised about black voters. Obama just recently put his hat in the ring, and people were resistant to "you're black so you'll vote for the black guy, right?" (Understandably!) But he's said lots of good stuff about EARNING black votes just like he'd earn any other vote, and has been convincing on substance, not just his skin color.

Remember he announced just a few weeks ago! Great progress already.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2007 09:21 am
Even the Obama-sceptic Sun-Times runs 2 pages with various reports and a half page opinion about Obama today.
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blatham
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2007 11:36 am
Hand-wringing commences now...
Quote:
Campaign Confidential
America's top independent Jewish news source supplies the daily dish on politics and public policy.


Obama Will Address Aipac This Friday …
… at a foreign policy forum in Chicago.


In recent days, Jewish politicos were buzzing about when and where the upstart presidential contender would make his first Jewish campaign stop. While there had been some speculation that Obama would speak at this week's plenum of the Jewish Council for Public Affairs in Washington, D.C., one Democratic insider told the Forward that he believed the senator was under pressure to visit his old Chicago supporters.

According to Dan Shapiro, Obama's advisor on outreach to the Jewish community, the speech will fall somewhere between a major address and an informal conversation.

Obama is trying to get a jump on Aipac's major Washington gathering in a couple of weeks, which will be crowded with candidates
http://www.forward.com/blogs/campaign-confidential/obama-will-address-aipac-this-friday/
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2007 11:58 am
blatham wrote:
Hand-wringing commences now...
Quote:
Campaign Confidential
America's top independent Jewish news source supplies the daily dish on politics and public policy.


Obama Will Address Aipac This Friday …
… at a foreign policy forum in Chicago.


In recent days, Jewish politicos were buzzing about when and where the upstart presidential contender would make his first Jewish campaign stop. While there had been some speculation that Obama would speak at this week's plenum of the Jewish Council for Public Affairs in Washington, D.C., one Democratic insider told the Forward that he believed the senator was under pressure to visit his old Chicago supporters.

According to Dan Shapiro, Obama's advisor on outreach to the Jewish community, the speech will fall somewhere between a major address and an informal conversation.

Obama is trying to get a jump on Aipac's major Washington gathering in a couple of weeks, which will be crowded with candidates
http://www.forward.com/blogs/campaign-confidential/obama-will-address-aipac-this-friday/


Yeap - that's what the comment in the Sun-Times is about.
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Miller
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2007 04:32 pm
When Obama visits Boston Jews, I want to be sure to be in attendance and ask him what his plans will be for Social Security and Medicare D, since it's apparent he doesn't know what he's taking about when he discusses them.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 1 Mar, 2007 05:18 pm
Miller, Please make sure you report back here after you hear Obama's answers to your q's.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 2 Mar, 2007 08:52 am
I could imagine that quite a few will jump on the waggon that Obama had ancestors who owned slaves (one of his great-great-great-great grandfathers and one of his great-great-great-great-great-grandmothers).

More interesting - as in interesting re journalism :wink: - is the report

Park Ridge vs. Hyde Park

http://i15.tinypic.com/4i44mcw.jpg
(Chicago Tribune, 02.03.07, section 2, page 1)
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Fri 2 Mar, 2007 09:14 am
Confused Average Median Income in Obama's neck of the woods, in Chicago is only $36,000? Wouldn't that qualify as a pretty depressed area in that city?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 2 Mar, 2007 09:20 am
From the Hyde Park website

http://i3.tinypic.com/4c8lqut.jpg
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Fri 2 Mar, 2007 09:46 am
Seems like 36 would be bumping the poverty line for a city that size, is all. I guess it's not New York. My hometown of about 12,000, does better than that... and Cedarburg and Port Washington both do A LOT better than that. Yeeks, upon further checking New York doesn't do much better than Chicago. Confused How the hell can anyone afford to live there? Houses cost 2 and 3 times as much. Shocked
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 2 Mar, 2007 09:55 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Seems like 36 would be bumping the poverty line for a city that size, is all. I guess it's not New York. My hometown of about 12,000, does better than that... and Cedarburg and Port Washington both do A LOT better than that. Yeeks, upon further checking New York doesn't do much better than Chicago. Confused How the hell can anyone afford to live there? Houses cost 2 and 3 times as much. Shocked


Same thing as Berkeley here: people can't afford to live there. They just kind of get by as best they can.

Houses here run 5 to 10 times the the median family income of $53465.

Cycloptichorn
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Fri 2 Mar, 2007 10:04 am
Berkeley earns more and spends less on a house than New Yorkers. I think both collectives are nuts.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 2 Mar, 2007 10:34 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Berkeley earns more and spends less on a house than New Yorkers. I think both collectives are nuts.


That's the price you pay for an incredibly beautiful, convenient and nice place to live.

I have no idea why the New Yorkers do it, though, hehe.

On another thread, you asked why I thought Obama and Guiliani were the 'best of a bad lot.' Here's why -

I think Guiliani is better than the other Republican candidates, but that's primarily because his personal issues don't mean much to me and I agree with him on some social issues. His platforms are more agreeable than any other Republican I might vote for.

But his social issues are a major drag on his viability. They do matter. Republicans can't own the evangelical vote one day and deny it the next when it isn't convenient. I find the idea that he will maintain the levels of support amongst these people to be laughable; he has name rec. but the knives most certainly haven't come out for him. When more southerners are exposed to his dirty laundry, and you can guarantee they will, you won't see the support for him you do now.

Obama, what can I say? I like the guy a lot, but he's also the best of a bad lot due to inexperience, his name (Barak Hussein Obama? Doesn't matter a whit to me, but it will be used against him. We should have a pool for the first obama=osama attacks). If it wasn't for the imminence of the situation, I would have counseled him to wait another four years. Not that he would listen to me, but...

Two years is a long primary, and I hope that both candidates can weather the storms they face to run a good race in '08. I'd rather see either of them than anyone else, 'cept for maybe bill richardson or wes clark.

Cycloptichorn
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Fri 2 Mar, 2007 11:09 am
Opinion appreciated, but I don't see it. Two new polls out today at Pollingreport.com, both showing Obama continuing to cut into Hillary's lead and Giuliani running away from the pack. Compromise is the name of the game and there's hardly a right-winger out there that wouldn't vote Ralph Nader to keep Hillary out, if he thought he had to. Cheats-on-his-wife-likes-queers-and-abortion Vs. a Democrat (Shocked). No contest (Especially if it's Hillary).

Now it will surprise me not at all if (when?) Obama passes Hillary by for the same reason. She's favored now, but she's already not stacking up as well in the general polls. To the left: Black man with a funny name and little experience Vs. a Republican (Shocked) No contest.

Meanwhile; all of us in the middle rejoice! I'd like to believe (and I do) that the country is sick and tired of hyper-polarization... and Obama and Giuliani are perfect candidates in this respect... and I don't believe for a second that the fringe-bases are up for grabs... or that they'll lose their appetites for hyper-polarization. There can be little question that dislike for the opposition was the driving force in the last election; because neither one of those guys were very likeable.

Ps. Sorry about the tangent, Soz.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 2 Mar, 2007 11:20 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Opinion appreciated, but I don't see it. Two new polls out today at Pollingreport.com, both showing Obama continuing to cut into Hillary's lead and Giuliani running away from the pack. Compromise is the name of the game and there's hardly a right-winger out there that wouldn't vote Ralph Nader to keep Hillary out, if he thought he had to. Cheats-on-his-wife-likes-queers-and-abortion Vs. a Democrat (Shocked). No contest (Especially if it's Hillary).

Now it will surprise me not at all if (when?) Obama passes Hillary by for the same reason. She's favored now, but she's already not stacking up as well in the general polls. To the left: Black man with a funny name and little experience Vs. a Republican (Shocked) No contest.

Meanwhile; all of us in the middle rejoice! I'd like to believe (and I do) that the country is sick and tired of hyper-polarization... and Obama and Giuliani are perfect candidates in this respect... and I don't believe for a second that the fringe-bases are up for grabs... or that they'll lose their appetites for hyper-polarization. There can be little question that dislike for the opposition was the driving force in the last election; because neither one of those guys were very likeable.

Ps. Sorry about the tangent, Soz.


I agree that I would like to see a Likeable contest vs. the other way around.

I'm honestly concerned that the 'fundie base' won't go for this formula -

Quote:
Cheats-on-his-wife-likes-queers-and-abortion Vs. a Democrat


Because it's essentially saying

Quote:
Cheats-on-his-wife-likes-queers-and-abortion Vs. Cheats-on-his-wife-likes-queers-and-abortion


In the minds of many, and that's going to be tough in the primary. I expect McCain to really hammer the social issues in the next 6-8 months once they get going.

With the primaries all being moved up to what, Jan-feb? of next year, you'll see serious campaigning start this summer, would be my guess.

Naturally, Iraq is the gigantic wrench in all the plans of all the candidates...

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
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Fri 2 Mar, 2007 11:25 am
Just found out that Obama and McCain are talking about making a pact to stick to public financing if they each become the presidential nominee -- so cool on several levels!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/02/us/politics/02fec.html

By the way I don't consider the stuff you guys were talking about tangential, Bill, don't worry.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Fri 2 Mar, 2007 11:49 am
sozobe wrote:
By the way I don't consider the stuff you guys were talking about tangential, Bill, don't worry.
I meant the City housing and household income stuff, but we bounced back. :wink:
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Lash
 
  1  
Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:38 pm
The De-Blacking of Obama.

....Slave owning in the family tree sort of undercuts one's blackitude.... I think he's getting his Gatorade welcome to the pros...
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sozobe
 
  1  
Sat 3 Mar, 2007 01:09 pm
Yeah, I'm curious how this will play out. Everyone already knew he was half-white; if someone is white and has family that goes back a while in America, it's very possible that one has slave-owning ancestors. (I think all of my ancestors were recent enough immigrants that none of them owned slaves, but I dunno.)

As in, I'm not sure this will impact anything in particular, but will be interested in who does what with it.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Sat 3 Mar, 2007 01:15 pm
Hadn't read the article yet, this is a reasonable reply:

Quote:
Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the senator's ancestors "are representative of America."

"While a relative owned slaves, another fought for the Union in the Civil War," Burton said. "And it is a true measure of progress that the descendant of a slave owner would come to marry a student from Kenya and produce a son who would grow up to be a candidate for president of the United States."


I read about the Thurmond's-ancestors-owning-Sharpton's-ancestors thing yesterday in the NYT -- freaky. Especially the jarring note that the white person who owned Sharpton's ancestors was of course named Sharpton. Sharpton made an interesting comment about signing autographs after finding out:

Quote:
"It was the first time in my life that I thought about why my name is Sharpton," he said. "I mean this whole thing is as personal as why your name is what it is. You're named after someone who owned your great-grandparents."


http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/01/opinion/01herbert.html
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