H2O MAN
 
  0  
Thu 15 Apr, 2010 09:50 am


New taxes on investments, taxes on medical supplies, taxes on drugs and health insurance, and taxes on you
if you are just breathing… the list of taxes Americans will face just got a lot longer thanks to ObamaCare....
Obamacare will make every day feel like April 15th ~ TAX DAY






H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 15 Apr, 2010 10:09 am


Barack Obama? The guy is a Jackass!

http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/041510_ObamaTXT_20100415_093916.jpg
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Advocate
 
  0  
Thu 15 Apr, 2010 10:46 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



New taxes on investments, taxes on medical supplies, taxes on drugs and health insurance, and taxes on you
if you are just breathing… the list of taxes Americans will face just got a lot longer thanks to ObamaCare....
Obamacare will make every day feel like April 15th ~ TAX DAY











I guess you prefer the Republican way -- borrow and spend.
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 15 Apr, 2010 11:26 am
@Advocate,

I guess you support Obamanomics and Democrats working hard at bankrupting the country.
Advocate
 
  1  
Thu 15 Apr, 2010 12:01 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:


I guess you support Obamanomics and Democrats working hard at bankrupting the country.


The Republicans largely ruined the country because of its antipathy to oversight and regulation, as well as its massive deficity spending.

Obama is spending money temporarally as needed to spur the economy and create jobs. Moreover, his efforts are working.
mysteryman
 
  2  
Thu 15 Apr, 2010 12:04 pm
I dont believe in polls, and I have said that many times in the past.

However, I saw this today and thought it interesting enough to share, especially since Obama won his health insurance reform bill.

http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article/rr/9009/10974635/AP-GfK_Poll_Obama_slips_other_Dems_slide_too

Quote:
WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's national standing has slipped to a new low after his victory on the historic health care overhaul, even in the face of growing signs of economic revival, according to the latest Associated Press-GfK poll.

The survey shows the political terrain growing rockier for Obama and congressional Democrats heading into midterm elections, boosting Republican hopes for a return to power this fall.

Just 49 percent of people now approve of the job Obama's doing overall, and less than that -- 44 percent -- like the way he's handled health care and the economy. Last September, Obama hit a low of 50 percent in job approval before ticking a bit higher. His high-water mark as president was 67 percent in February of last year, just after he took office


Now I dont trust polls, nor do I place any faith in them.
But if this is correct, that sort of contradicts those that say he is more popular thenever and that the majority support his health insurance reform bill.

(I cant call it a healthcare reform bill because it mostly addresses health insurance.)

Quote:
Adding to Democratic woes, people have grown increasingly opposed to the health care overhaul in the weeks since it became law; 50 percent now oppose it, the most negative measure all year. People also have a dim view of the economy though employers have begun to add jobs, including 162,000 in March. Just as many people rated the economy poor this month _ 76 percent _ as did last July.

And it could get worse for Democrats: One-third of those surveyed consider themselves tea party supporters, and three-quarters of those people are overwhelmingly Republicans or right-leaning independents. That means they are more likely to vote with the GOP in this fall's midterms, when energized base voters will be crucial amid the typical low turnout of a non-presidential election year
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H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Thu 15 Apr, 2010 12:10 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:



Obama is spending money temporarally as needed to spur the economy and create jobs.
Moreover, his efforts are working.




Working at taking the country further and further in the WRONG direction.
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okie
 
  1  
Thu 15 Apr, 2010 11:13 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
I'm not done, count on that, but by ignoring the flag, he did denounce America in my opinion, maybe not yours, but I happen to have lived in places that respect the flag, maybe they don't in Berkeley? I happen to know people that are mostly patriotic, maybe you do not, and therefore do not know it when America is being denounced? Maybe you also think 9/11 was merely a case of the "chickens coming home to roost," hey I don't know, I do not understand the liberal mind or the minds of people that Obama looks up to for guidance and worship.


Okay, round one with cyclops, I have resoundingly won round one with a prime example of Obama denouncing America by actions louder than words, that of ignoring the flag.

Now, before proceeding to further examples in Obama's history, let us use what he has just said, apologizing for America's superpower status, which essentially says that America cannot or is not capable of acting responsibly with the status. Anyone with any common sense knows this is the same thing as denouncing America, condemning America for its status as a superpower, clearly implying that we do not deserve the status or cannot handle its responsibility. Of course cyclops and other liberal Obama apologists will not or cannot face the truth of it and will instead choose to apologize for and defend Obama before ever dreaming of having the courage to stand for honor and right. Now to tally up the debate just started with cyclops, the score is now 2 to zip, and the tally has just begun.

I do commend John McCain, an honorable American, that stood up and condemned Obama's statement for what it was, a direct contradiction of everything America should be and stand for.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/15/obama-america-superpower-like/

"It is a vital national security interest of the United States to reduce these conflicts because whether we like it or not, we remain a dominant military superpower, and when conflicts break out, one way or another we get pulled into them," Obama said. "And that ends up costing us significantly in terms of both blood and treasure."

The remark got little attention in mainstream coverage of the summit, but was picked up on several conservative blogs, which panned the president for suggesting Americans had grown weary of superpower status.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., slammed the leader of the free world Thursday, calling the remark a "direct contradiction to everything America believes in."

"That's one of the more incredible statements I've ever heard a president of the United States make in modern times," McCain, a Vietnam veteran and former prisoner of war, told Fox News. "We are the dominant superpower, and we're the greatest force for good in the history of this country, and I thank God every day that we are a dominant superpower."
Cycloptichorn
 
  0  
Thu 15 Apr, 2010 11:17 pm
@okie,
Quote:

Okay, round one with cyclops, I have resoundingly won round one with a prime example of Obama denouncing America by actions louder than words, that of ignoring the flag.


Bullshit you did... even you don't believe what you write, Okie. Pathetic.

Quote:
Anyone with any common sense knows this is the same thing as denouncing America


How many times have you been told not to rely on your so-called 'common sense,' Okie?

You cannot find evidence of Obama denouncing America, so you've dropped back to providing evidence of him saying things you don't like, and then just claiming that his statements are equivalent to denouncing America.

What a waste of time. If you can't find better examples of Obama denouncing America, why are you even bothering?

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
  1  
Thu 15 Apr, 2010 11:36 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
and then just claiming that his statements are equivalent to denouncing America.
Cycloptichorn

They are equivalent, and I think you know it.
Cycloptichorn
 
  0  
Thu 15 Apr, 2010 11:44 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
and then just claiming that his statements are equivalent to denouncing America.
Cycloptichorn

They are equivalent, and I think you know it.


They are not equivalent in any way. A definition of the word 'denounce' was posted on the last page. You ignored that definition, because it really is a negative thing, much worse then the stuff you've been posting. I would challenge you to specifically respond to that definition and explain how the things you are quoting meet that definition.

What would be a lot easier for you, would be to simply admit that while you disagree with Obama's positions and some of his statements, he does not in fact go around denouncing America.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
  1  
Fri 16 Apr, 2010 11:24 am
Quote:
Loophole in Health Care Reform

Feinstein: Loophole in Health Care Reform Leads to Double-Digit Premium Increases

04/13/2010 - Human Events

Less than one month after passage of the nearly 3,000-page Obamacare bill the President then signed into law, dire consequences -- intended or otherwise -- continue to surface. Imagine if Democrat legislators actually understood the impact of their massive legislation before the voted for it. Perhaps that’s too much to ask from a group that doesn’t even read the bill before they shove it down America’s collective throats.

The Los Angeles Times is reporting today that the double-digit premium hikes Democrats vowed Obamacare would stop, well, it doesn’t actually stop them.

Like when the President said his bill would immediately require coverage of children with pre-existing conditions. It doesn’t do that either.

“It is a very big loophole in health reform,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) told the Times. Feinstein and Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) are pushing legislation to expand federal and state authority to prevent insurance companies from boosting rates excessively, the Times reports.

First Democrats create a massive new entitlement program that doesn’t do the things they say it will do -- like control health care costs or decrease deficit spending. Then, as part of the design, Democrats want to pass even more regulatory legislation that will further expedite the collapse of the private insurance industry, thus leading to single payer government health care and all of its rationing, waiting lines and skyrocketing costs.

That's because this was never about cost or health care. It's about big government control over people's wallets and their lives.

During the 2008 Presidential election cycle, then-Senator Barack Obama laid out during his campaign his health care plan that included a clear benchmark on lower health care costs.

“Today I want to lay out the details of that plan -- a plan that not only guarantees coverage for every American, but also reduces every family’s premiums by as much as $2,500,” candidate Obama said on May 27, 2007.
Obamacare fails to deliver on that promise.

The Democrat plan is to blame the mean old insurance companies for the innumerable health care crises caused by Obamacare, then insist only big government solutions can fix these government-created problems.

The problem for Democrats is that America’s not falling for it.
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okie
 
  0  
Fri 16 Apr, 2010 08:30 pm
@okie,
In regard to the debate with the Obama apologist in chief, cyclops, I need not repeat anything more to hammer the point home any better than by again quoting John McCain's response to Obama's superpower comment.
okie wrote:
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., slammed the leader of the free world Thursday, calling the remark a "direct contradiction to everything America believes in."
"That's one of the more incredible statements I've ever heard a president of the United States make in modern times," McCain, a Vietnam veteran and former prisoner of war, told Fox News. "We are the dominant superpower, and we're the greatest force for good in the history of this country, and I thank God every day that we are a dominant superpower."[/b]
old europe
 
  -1  
Fri 16 Apr, 2010 08:49 pm
@okie,
That doesn't even make sense. How does saying "like it or not, we're still a superpower" constitute a "direct contradiction to everything America believes in"? Do Americans not believe that the United States are a superpower?
Cycloptichorn
 
  -1  
Fri 16 Apr, 2010 10:33 pm
@okie,
What is the problem with what Obama said?

See, it was a conference full of leaders of other countries. Do you think those countries like the fact that we are the dominant superpower?

I wouldn't feel proud for quoting someone who transmits the wisdom that 'we are the greatest force for good in the history of our country. Rolling Eyes

Cycloptichorn
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MontereyJack
 
  0  
Fri 16 Apr, 2010 11:17 pm
Obama said:
Quote:
"It is a vital national security interest of the United States to reduce these conflicts because whether we like it or not, we remain a dominant military superpower, and when conflicts break out, one way or another we get pulled into them," Obama said. "And that ends up costing us significantly in terms of both blood and treasure."


In what way is reducing international conflict a denunciation of America, okie?
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Sat 17 Apr, 2010 08:49 am


Obama is a direct contradiction to everything America believes in.
parados
 
  0  
Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:01 am
@H2O MAN,
American's don't believe the US is a superpower?

American's don't believe that we should reduce the number of nukes?

Maybe you don't know what America is squirt.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:12 am
@parados,


American's believe Obama is a clear and present danger to this constitutional republic.
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Joe Nation
 
  3  
Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:23 am
The really odd thing is Republicans of today don't even remember what their leaders said only a few years ago:

First, here's Rudy Giuliani last week:
Quote:
"A nuclear-free world has been a 60-year dream of the Left, just like socialized healthcare."

--
Huh. Here's voice who used to speak for the GOP:

Quote:
"A nuclear world war cannot be won and must never be fought. And no matter how great the obstacles may seem, we must never stop our efforts to reduce the weapons of war. We must never stop at all until we see the day when nuclear arms have been banished from the face of this earth."
-- Ronald Reagan, 1984


A political party cannot remain viable if all that it does is oppose whatever position is taken by the opposition. You just end up looking foolish to those who actually think before they speak.

Joe(and shame on McCain, running scared... .)Nation
 

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