Obama '08?

Out of my pocket directly, about $800/yr. My employer pays another $5200.

I then have to pay for 10-20% of all my medical bills throughout the year, capped at $4000/yr.

Duly noted and pretty accurate, Massagat. The main difference between Hitler and his Communist enemies was the Nationalist version of ultra leftism versus the international version. This is an inescapable fact that lefties refuse to face because it is their ox being gored. All Hitler and fascism did was apply ultra leftism to their own countries, and one of the reasons was that Hitler thought the Jews represtented the cultural and capitalistic pollution of the world that had to be eliminated from Germany, so that his country could be purified and made into his vision of Utopia. Lefties all have their view or brand of utopia, typically fashioned after the vision of "COMMON GOOD."

My deadbeat wife an myself pay $16000 a year total for medicare and private ins and health care including drugs.

Obama's plan will cost the two of you and extra few thousand dollars per year and you get less for your money.

How's that for change?

Squirt,

I don't think you spouting another lie is really change. It's more of the same from you.

If you know what Medicare coverage is going to cost in the future, please share.

The wording in the bill is complicated (understatement), but it looks like Medicare Advantage recipients would be most affected by a change in premiums. Costs could go up or benefits could be reduced ... or both for that plan. I don't think those on the traditional plan are much affected except for the changes in prescription-drug costs.

ETA: I'm assuming you were referring to premiums...the tax changes are a whole different section, also interesting.

Well, your're 70....I'm 30. I go to the doctor 1 time per year. I'm a non-smoker, barely-drinker, marathon runner, normal BMI, etc.

I'm sure I'd pay more if I had to use the doctor too.

I'm taxed for Medicare also, although, as you know, I don't use it. I did not include that in my total.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make........could you clarify for me.

This is correct, and the reason is because the government will no longer be subsidizing Medicare Advantage plans out of the general fund, as we have been for several years now. There's nothing wrong at all with cutting subsidies to industries which don't need them.

Cycloptichorn

Irish K- Note that the CycloPS never gives documentation! He is just dead wrong!

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"The law willnot pay for itself. In a New York Timews op-ed piece, former CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFIE HEAD President Douglas Holtz- Eaken estimated that it could put the country $580 Billion in the hole>"

see http://politico.com/news/stories/0410/35421.html

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Maybe Cyclops is too stupid to find links!

I did mean premiums. Well, premiums + co-pay + deductable. Good point, though. Cost could include the difference between original billing and Medicare assigment to provider. There is also speculation on whether that 20% cut in doctors' compensation will be allowed to take effect this year. I don't really want the novelty of having great insurance accepted by no one.

On Medicare Advantage, though, 'they say' it is 10 to 15% overcompensated. I tend to wonder whether it is the cost only that is 10% higher, or if the treatment is 10% better. Don't go and research it. I'm not interested enough to dig it out myself.

Without knowing personal details, that sounds a bit on the high side. Next year, you might track down a competent agent and see if they can't find something better. After all, all Plans F, for example, are the same by law. Some are based on actual age, some on age at entry, and I think there is some other basis for premium as wells. The best deal at 65 may not still be the best.

Links to Paul Ryan's Health Care Plan:

Introduction
http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/Plan/#Intro

Challenges
http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/Plan/#challenges

Health Security
http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/Plan/#Healthsecurity

Federal Tax Reform
http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/Plan/#federaltaxreform

Job Training
http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/Plan/#jobtraining

Budget Reform
http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/Plan/#budgetreform

APPENDIX I
Summary of the Legislation
http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/Plan/#Appendix1

APPENDIX II
Summary of Estimates
http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/Plan/#appendix2

The fact that you refered to medicare recipants as dead beats. Most of us, who can, pay our own way. You might try to remember that we sent you to school with our taxes. Does that make you a dead beat?

Irishk--You can, if you wish, find evidence for everything I am listing now on the Internet. I will try to give you links. Cyclops is a far left wing partisan from Berkeley who has shown that he knows very little about Obamcare.

Let us begin:

l. Obamacare is not accepted by the American People. Go to almost any poll and you will find that the voters reject Obamacare by a significant margin. It would appear that Obama is saying that he knows what is good for us!

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Still waiting for that ObamaCare bounce
3:01 pm April 5, 2010, by Kyle Wingfield

Yet another opinion poll indicates the public wasn’t sighing in relief after ObamaCare passed. The latest is from CBS News, which calls the American public “increasingly skeptical” about the new health laws:

Fifty-three percent of Americans say they disapprove of the new reforms, including 39 percent who say they disapprove strongly. In the days before the bill passed the House, 37 percent said they approved and 48 percent disapproved.

Republicans and independents remain opposed to the reforms, and support has dropped some among Democrats. Now 52 percent of Democrats approve of the new reforms, a drop from 60 percent just before the bill was passed by Congress.

So, no softening among Republicans and independents, and a hardening of Democratic opinion against the bill.

There was a brief bounce: In the days immediately following the House’s passage of ObamaCare, the approval gap for the legislation improved from minus-11 to minus-4 (follow the CBS News results in the second table here). Within one week, however, the gap had re-widened to the current minus-21.

The same goes for the USA Today/Gallup poll, which showed a 12-point swing in ObamaCare’s favor immediately following the House vote. Less than a week later, however, sentiment as measured by the very same poll had swung back against the new law by those same 12 percentage points.

Rasmussen Reports shows a steady 12- to 13-point disapproval margin for the bill-turned-law. Recent polls by Quinnipiac and for the Washington Post also show lingering disapproval for the new law.

The public’s verdict remains clear: While the Democrats could reasonably claim a mandate after the 2008 elections to do some kind of health-care reform, this wasn’t what the people expected or wanted.

Pundits keep trying to guess how much longer the public will stomach hearing about health care, given that it has dominated the public debate since last summer. The conventional wisdom is that people will tire of hearing about health care, but I think that’s only half-right. People may tire of hearing only about health care, but this kind of early hardening of opinion against ObamaCare suggests that it could easily remain at the heart of a broader election-year debate about the size and scope of government
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2. The Democrats clearly controlled the House and Senate after the election of 2008. The could not pass Obamacare using the regular processes, because all Republicans in the Senate and House voted against the bill WHILE SOME DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE JOINED THEM--THE SO-CALLED BLUE DOGS!

The amount of evidence and documentation that we are getting from Parados is incredible,. The only thing the poor fellow can do is post one liners. He is truly to be pitied!

Irishk--What the Cyclopian one will not tell you( he prefers to make unproven generalizations) is that in the real world, Obamacare should be repealed and replaced.

Wo you disagree that your generation has implemented policies, through your elected leaders, that you have purposely not paid for and instead have borrowed money to do so. You disagree that my generation is starting off in a financial hole that your generation caused?

You disagree that your generation started the rape and pillage of our planet and it's natural resources and have left my generation and those that follow with the responsibility of cleaning up your mess and your generations inability to fix it's own problems?

By 'your generation' I'm referring to anyone older than their 50's right now.

And it ls great if you, specfically, have paid your own way. Your generation has not, neither fiscally or environmentally. I think it'd be impossible for you to deny that.

Does Anybody Really Understand ObamaCare?

Where is the "our" elected leaders in your statement. You havent voted in any election? If not you dont have any business complaining about the rest of us. And I do not agree that most of us havent paid our way. You need to study the past and not live in only in the present. I am done with this discussion no more posts to you on this topic. It is plain that you have made your mind up and are immune to any other opinions.