snood
 
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Sat 24 Feb, 2007 07:02 am
That wasn't the first sentence in the article. You should read it.
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edgarblythe
 
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Sat 24 Feb, 2007 09:03 am
Obama hasn't made any grave errors as yet. If he can secure the nomination, I can vote for him in good conscience.
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Thomas
 
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Sat 24 Feb, 2007 11:20 am
snood wrote:
That wasn't the first sentence in the article. You should read it.

Gotcha. Sad
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 24 Feb, 2007 01:38 pm
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2007 03:56 am
Interesting news on the latest Quinnipiac University Poll

Rudy is of course still ahead of Hillary for the top spots by 5 points.
The interesting thing is:
43-43 Obama ties McCain where Hillary loses 44-46= -2 points
49-29= 20 points, Obama beats Romney where Hillary only beats him 49-37= 12 points
She does still finish 2 points closer to Rudy, but I find it more than a little interesting that this far out, Obama is already starting to outpace her against the others. Edwards slips in just behind Obama in the same way… still ahead of Hillary, save against Rudy.
It would appear the "I don't like Hillary" sentiment is already starting to show itself. I still expect that to get worse. Also interesting is at the same time; Hillary is currently running away with the primaries (wake up, Democrats). Meanwhile, Rudy is dominating every poll on the Republican side.
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snood
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2007 06:28 am
It still seems too early to me to actually be fretting over percentage points. I want to see what happens when they are all scrutinized by more than just us politics junkies - I don't think that's going to happen for awhile yet.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2007 07:08 am
snood wrote:
It still seems too early to me to actually be fretting over percentage points. I want to see what happens when they are all scrutinized by more than just us politics junkies - I don't think that's going to happen for awhile yet.


http://i12.tinypic.com/2vmsvue.jpg

:wink:
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snood
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2007 07:10 am
Laughing
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2007 07:31 am
Clarence Page is on the spot again today:

Quote:
Clinton vs. Obama: An Oscar-worthy campaign drama

Published February 25, 2007


WASHINGTON -- How appropriate that the presidential campaign drama that some already are calling "Geffengate" and "Hilla-Bama," among other nicknames happened to break during Oscar week.

Nothing puts a smile on the lips or a lift in the footsteps of reporters and pundits like a story brimming with big names, powerful people, Hollywood glitter and major feuding.

One must call upon the drama critic in one's soul to do justice to the epic reception that Southern California's Democratic donors with deep pockets gave to Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois. For most of us, it would be enough to have Halle Berry say, as she said exuberantly of Obama, that she would go out and pick up litter in the streets to ease his progress.

Nipping the heels of the big-money fundraisers came a titanic war of words between Obama's supporters and those of the presidential front-runner, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York. Oh, pass the popcorn!

In this corner, we have movie mogul David Geffen, who you may recall was once a big booster and running buddy of President Bill Clinton. That was yesterday. Last week Geffen co-hosted a $1.3 million star-studded Beverly Hills fundraiser for Obama, followed by dinner for a few VIP donors with the senator and his wife, Michelle, at Geffen's palatial home.

Geffen also slung a few barbs at Sen. Clinton. In an interview with New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd, he called Clinton unelectable and raised questions about both Clintons' ethics and trustworthiness. "Everyone in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it's troubling," Geffen told Dowd.

Round two: Clinton's chief spokesman, Howard Wolfson, responded with a demand that Obama disavow attacks from Geffen, whom Wolfson incorrectly called Obama's "finance chair." Wolfson called for Obama to return Geffen's money if Obama is "indeed sincere about his repeated claims to change the tone of our politics."

In fact, Geffen is only a fundraiser, not a member of Obama's campaign.

Obama's chief spokesman, Robert Gibbs, dismissed Wolfson's demands in the fashion of a city known for having once had a massacre on St. Valentine's Day. "We aren't going to get in the middle of a disagreement between the Clintons and someone who was once one of their biggest supporters," Gibbs said. "It is ironic that the Clintons had no problem with David Geffen when he was raising them $18 million and sleeping at their invitation in the Lincoln bedroom."

With that counterpunch, Gibbs reminded everyone of the mid-1990s Lincoln bedroom campaign-finance scandals that the Clintons would rather have us forget.

So, who wins this round? With misgivings about Sen. Clinton's viability already worrying many in her base, despite her front-runner status in the polls, I don't see how reminders of the grim side of the Clinton years hurt Obama in any way.

And Wolfson's reaction revealed a curious touchiness for a front-runner's spokesman. I imagine it must be quite painful for Team Clinton to watch what they see as another free pass for Obama in his mostly favorable media coverage. But if anyone should know better than to try holding candidates accountable for what each and every one of their supporters says, it is Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Obama himself was wise to lie low and emerge later at a Houston fundraiser with his halo intact as Sen. Peacemaker. He called for an end to the "tit-for-tat" that dominates politics. That was a good move to make before another "tat" could come flying his way from the Clinton camp.

Since the country is waiting with either hope or dread for Obama to stumble in his rapid ascendancy, it says a lot about his instincts and the reflexes of his campaign team that they responded rapidly and passionately to the Hillary aide's jabs. He and his people appear to have learned from the mistakes of earlier candidates who let accusations fester for too long in the media boilers until the charges took on an undeserved appearance of truth.

I often hear from people who complain about news coverage that "focuses on the candidates instead of the issues." But that ignores, in my view, how much the candidates themselves are the issue.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2007 07:49 am
Quote:
"It is ironic that the Clintons had no problem with David Geffen when he was raising them $18 million and sleeping at their invitation in the Lincoln bedroom."
Laughing How the hell did they fail to see that coming?
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sozobe
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2007 08:06 am
I agree that polls don't mean much yet, but interesting to see that Obama is already making up major ground. I think that could significant in the momentum = success thing I mentioned before... that there are people who would love to support Obama if he has a chance. And the increasing poll numbers show that his chances are getting better and better.
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snood
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2007 10:30 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Quote:
"It is ironic that the Clintons had no problem with David Geffen when he was raising them $18 million and sleeping at their invitation in the Lincoln bedroom."
Laughing How the hell did they fail to see that coming?


Because they were spring-loaded to jump on anything they thought might tarnish Obama's near-pristine public image, and didn't think much beyond that.
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Thomas
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2007 10:43 am
I just notice that I mistyped a smiley in response to Snood.

Thomas wrote:
snood wrote:
That wasn't the first sentence in the article. You should read it.

Gotcha. Sad

That was actually supposed to be a smiling smiley: " Smile " It's not a big deal, but I wanted to put to rest any impression that I had a problem with what Snood said. He caught me not reading the link I was citing: And I didn't just have no problem with this, I thought it was funny.
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JPB
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2007 10:44 am
I spent time with my in laws yesterday who, at one time, indicated they would support Hillary just to get Bill back into the White House (I left the room when they said it in order to maintain peace in the family).

I was surprised to hear these same people denounce her yesterday as a power hungry fraud with no chance of getting elected. They are on the fence re Obama. The like his chances, but want to hear more about how he plans on doing what he wants to do.
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Thomas
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2007 10:47 am
sozobe wrote:
I agree that polls don't mean much yet

That cuts both ways though. Remember where Howard Dean was in 2004 until just before the first actual vote? Pretty much where Clinton is now.
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Thomas
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2007 10:51 am
JPB wrote:
I spent time with my in laws yesterday who, at one time, indicated they would support Hillary just to get Bill back into the White House (I left the room when they said it in order to maintain peace in the family).

Are you saying you had a problem with Bill in the White House? If so, I'm afraid we can't be no friends no more.
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snood
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2007 12:53 pm
snood wrote:
People rode Gore before - saying how he didn't have leadership aura, and all that. I would support him, because he has good priorities and good ideas and good experience and I think the thievery of 2000 gave him backbone he was missing.

And say what you will - Obama ain't gonna head no ticket in '08.


What a difference a year makes, eh?
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JPB
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2007 01:05 pm
Thomas wrote:
JPB wrote:
I spent time with my in laws yesterday who, at one time, indicated they would support Hillary just to get Bill back into the White House (I left the room when they said it in order to maintain peace in the family).

Are you saying you had a problem with Bill in the White House? If so, I'm afraid we can't be no friends no more.


Laughing New Orleans is a big place, Thomas. We can arrange our comings and goings to avoid each other, if necessary.






<note to self: don't pack the "Bill's a scumbag t-shirt">
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Lash
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2007 05:28 pm
snood wrote:
For me, the bottom line on Obama is this:
From all indications, this country isn't ready for a black person or a woman in the oval office, and won't be anytime soon. So while its entertaining musing about Condie, Hillary, Barack and Colin, the person occupying that white house on November 8th will be a white man.

Could you explain what you meant by that? I've heard it, but don't quite understand it.

Does it just mean enough people won't vote for a black or female candidate?..or is there something else? Has your opinion changed? If so, what changed it?

Condi on Barack
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Lash
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2007 07:24 pm
Estrich on Obama/Hillary fiasco.

Interesting and disturbing.

I've been reading traditionally liberal journalists, ascertaining who's paying them. Looks like Hillary has it sewn up.

Why does Estrich say Obama took the worst of Geffengate? It's clearly a lie.
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