Advocate
 
  1  
Sat 6 Mar, 2010 05:11 pm
Ican, I don't know if you are correct. But taxes are what we pay for a civilized society. Personally, I am sick of the deficits that the Reps have given us. When Reagan came into office, the debt was only $800 B. When Bush left office, it was about $11 T. I am willing to pay more taxes if this is required.
realjohnboy
 
  1  
Sat 6 Mar, 2010 05:16 pm
@ican711nm,
Please source that, Ican. Thank you in advance.
ican711nm
 
  0  
Sat 6 Mar, 2010 05:17 pm
Quote:
- another informative and enlightening article from Canada Free Press... (too bad America doesn't have a free and objective press anymore).

Quote:
Pelosi laid groundwork for Obama’s Transformation of America
By Judi McLeod Tuesday, March 2, 2010
The clock ticking toward midnight in the well orchestrated Fall of America is Nancy Pelosi’s shining hour.

Rational people may ponder how Pelosi can urge Democrats to vote for ObamaCare even if it means the end of their careers.

Like Pelosi, many of her Dem cohorts including Senators Barbara Boxer, Harry Reid, Diane Feinstein among others, are long past their due date. In ending their careers for ObamaCare they have nothing to lose. How many of them will live out the rest of their lives in fabulous wealth? Are Dems being paid off with funds stolen from the American till during the destructive Obama administration?

Pelosi was at her Marxist best when she told ABC’s Elizabeth Vargas that elements of the Tea Party movement shared common cause with Democrats: “We share some of the views of the Tea Partiers in terms of the role of special interests in Washington, D.C….It just has to stop.”

Special interests were never stopped, but only aided and abetted on the Democrat’s watch.

Like a ravening wolf, now that it looks like the sheep called America is at its most vulnerable, Pelosi bares long fangs.

While arrogant Obama will gladly take credit for it, Pelosi, more than any other member of Congress, paved the way for the takedown of America by the globalist-socialist elite fomenting for One World Order.

Not long after Barack Obama was Barry Soetero in red diapers, Pelosi as Useful Idiot Numero Uno was already setting the stage for America’s transformation to a Socialist State.

Pelosi’s hogging of today’s stage as ObamaCare shill covers a past freedom lovers should never forget. For it was Pelosi who carefully shepherded Agenda 21 through Congress, ultimately calling on and getting President Bill Clinton’s help after laying the initial groundwork.

Back on March 29, 1993 Pelosi introduced a joint resolution (H.J. RES166) to renew the call for the United States to “assume a strong leadership role in implementing Agenda 21 and other Summit agreements”, eventually gathering 67 co-sponsors for her bill. Thirty of those sponsors are still in Congress; co-sponsors Ted Kennedy and John Murtha no longer here.

Agenda 21 architects were former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev and Canadian UN Poster Boy Maurice Strong, among others. In layman’s terms, Agenda 21 is a global sustainability document which, among many other things, helped set the stage for converting military installations around the world into globalist activity centers.

Few recall that Pelosi was an investor in a real estate investment entity called PRESIDIO PARTNERS. Presidio Partners Holdings included the Presidio property where Gorbachev would eventually set up shop. Working with Pelosi, the late John Murtha played a key role in working with U.S. Navy officials, Pelosi’s nephew, and Presidio Partners, to ultimately bring about Gorbachev’s tenancy at San Francisco’s Presidio.

“In a nutshell, the Presidio quickly took its place as a Globalist Utopia, free of US controls. The typical world citizen would be shocked to learn the real agenda of these master engineers and facilitators.” (Ken Raggio, From the Presidium to the Presidio).

“Pelosi cheered the arrival of Gorbachev to the Presidio as a tenant, in a speech before the House of Representatives on June 4, 1992, entitled “From Swords to Plowshares”. Pelosi and Murtha showed their true ideological colors in their energetic efforts to bring the world’s most influential Communist to American soil to establish his American base for promoting his Globalist-Socialist agenda.”

“In April of 1993, Mikhail S. Gorbachev became the first civilian tenant at the prestigious Presidio in San Francisco. In a dedication ceremony, the former Soviet president and his wife were given the keys to a Coast Guard officer’s house by a three-star American general, where they were to run the Gorbachev Foundation. The mission of the Foundation was to conduct research on global political and environmental issues.” (CanadaFreePress, 11/15/06).

“As many other times before and since, Pelosi and her unpatriotic cohorts brazenly utilize their positions in the US Congress to put forward the most reckless globalist-socialist agendas"not even authorized by any mandate of the American voting public. Her radical liberal, globalist, socialist projects are entirely extra-curricular to her official role as a U.S. Government official,” Raggio wrote.

In effect, Obama would have no role to turn America over to Socialism without the diligent work of Nancy Pelosi who could stand in for the EU’s Woman Riding the Beast.

While the not long ago red-diapered Obama drags his TelePrompter about, delivering speeches about how he is prepared to shove Obamacare down America’s throats, Pelosi worked diligently in the background doing all the dirty work to make it possible.

Some day historians will record a US traitor whose betrayal of America far surpasses that of Benedict Arnold.

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ican711nm
 
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Sat 6 Mar, 2010 06:12 pm
@realjohnboy,
Ok, realjohnboy!

For Married filing jointly (Schedule Y-1), the 2010 federal income tax will be the same as Bush's 2003 federal income tax, which is the same as the 2009 federal income tax, unless Obama changes the 2010 schedule. However, the 2011 income tax will revert to Clinton's 1993 federal income tax, unless Obama changes the 2011 schedule. Clinton's 1993 minimum tax rate was 15%, while Bush's is 10%.

2009 Tax Tables--->


AND--->
Quote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2051527/posts
Partial History of U.S. Federal Income Tax Rates
Highest and lowest Income Tax Rates 1971 to 2009
...
1971-1981: minimum = 14%; maximum = 70% [CARTER 1977-1981]
1982-1986: minimum = 11%; maximum = 50% [REAGAN 1981-1989]
1987-1987: minimum = 11%; maximum = 38.5%
1988-1990: minimum = 15%; maximum = 33% [BUSH41 1989-1993]
1991-1992: minimum = 15%; maximum = 31%
1993-2000: minimum = 15%; maximum = 39.6% [CLINTON 1993-2001]
2001-2001: minimum = 15%; maximum = 39.1% [BUSH43 2001-2009]
2002-2002: minimum = 10%; maximum = 38.6%
2003-2009: minimum = 10%; maximum = 35%

maporsche
 
  1  
Sat 6 Mar, 2010 06:20 pm
@Advocate,
This sounds like the very stuff Obama is doing, and the same stuff the CBO did their estimate on. I'm not sure what your objecting to (besides someone saying something critical about a democrat of course)
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Sat 6 Mar, 2010 07:24 pm
@Advocate,
Quote:
and further increase taxes on the wealthy.


How much would you increase their taxes?
Even if you confiscated 100% of their money, you would still not have enough to run the govt for more then a day or two (at current levels).
Then what?
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georgeob1
 
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Sat 6 Mar, 2010 07:39 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Ican, I don't know if you are correct. But taxes are what we pay for a civilized society. Personally, I am sick of the deficits that the Reps have given us. When Reagan came into office, the debt was only $800 B. When Bush left office, it was about $11 T. I am willing to pay more taxes if this is required.


Wrong ! You can get accurate data on the U.S. public debt here, http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

During the Bush presidency U.S. public debt increased from $5.7 trillion to $10.6 trillion on the day he left office - a rate of increase of just under $1.0 trillion/year.

During the 13.5 months Obama has been in office the debt increased from $10.6 trillion to just over $12.6 trillion - a rate of increase of about $2 Trillion/year --- double that of the Bush years.

Both were bad; Obama is much worse.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Sat 6 Mar, 2010 10:48 pm
@georgeob1,
... of course, this is mostly due to measures taken to clean up the financial mess which was created on the watch of the last crew. Somehow that always gets left off of posts like this.

Only a fool would posit that Obama is responsible for tons of new spending for absolutely no reason. No matter what your ideological position, that is clearly untrue.

Cycloptichorn
georgeob1
 
  2  
Sat 6 Mar, 2010 11:01 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
That excuse has becone a little shopworn and feeble: no longer believable. However, I encourage you to keep it up.

Delusional opponents are an easy mark.
rabel22
 
  2  
Sun 7 Mar, 2010 01:12 am
@georgeob1,

Are you actually trying to convince anyone that Bush and thier corporate friends arnt responsible for the financial mess were in. What field of sand do you have your head barried in. I thought you were more honest than this!
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parados
 
  2  
Sun 7 Mar, 2010 08:40 am
@georgeob1,
Delusional opponents george?

When someone argues that Obama is responsible for the debt increase on his first day in office, I would call them delusional wouldn't you? Any increase in debt on that day is the result of budget legislation signed under previous administrations. No sane person would argue otherwise.
parados
 
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Sun 7 Mar, 2010 08:51 am
@ican711nm,
Quote:
Your 2011 income tax will be $835 more than your 2011 income tax bill.
Drunk
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georgeob1
 
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Sun 7 Mar, 2010 09:43 am
@parados,
I posted the increases in national debt during the two presidential terms to date. The data - from a government web site - directly contradicts the absurd "data" that Advocate posted earlier. I clearly indicated that the data for Obama was from the start of his term until last Fraiday - that's not one day, it's more than a year.

Is it difficult being a pedant who doesn't read well?
Advocate
 
  1  
Sun 7 Mar, 2010 10:33 am
@georgeob1,
My post was hardly absurd. I said that Bush's ending debt was about 11 T. That is pretty close to the actual $10.6 T. It is actually more than the latter number when you consider that he had generated $1.3 T in forward obligations during his last term.
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ican711nm
 
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Sun 7 Mar, 2010 11:07 am
@ican711nm,
Realjohnboy, here are the uptodated numbers for estimating 2010 federal income taxes, from Form 1040-ES page 8:
Quote:

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040es.pdf

Schedule Y-1 -- Married filing jointley

If line 5 is [if taxable income is]: ..................... The tax is
Over-- ................................ But not over ...................... of the amount over--
.....$0................................ $16,750........-------------- 10%.......................$0
16,750..................................68,000........ $1,675.00 +10%..................16,750
68,000.................................137,300......... 9,362.50 +10%..................68,000
...
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Sun 7 Mar, 2010 11:36 am
@georgeob1,
The public still, as a whole, blames Bush and the Republicans for the financial situation. So I guess the excuse isn't as 'feeble' as you on the right-wing would like people to believe.

What do you posit happened? That Obama took office, and there was no financial crisis? That he just decided to drop a Trillion dollars - including over 250 billion dollars in tax cuts - for fun?

I wouldn't run around calling others delusional at the same time I was engaging in wholesale re-writing of recent history.

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
  1  
Sun 7 Mar, 2010 11:40 am
@ican711nm,
CORRECTION!
Realjohnboy, here are the uptodate numbers for estimating 2010 federal income taxes, from Form 1040-ES page 8:
Quote:

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040es.pdf

Schedule Y-1 -- Married filing jointley

If line 5 is [if taxable income is]: ..................... The tax is
Over-- ................................ But not over ...................... of the amount over--
.....$0................................ $16,750........-------------- 10%.......................$0
16,750..................................68,000........ $1,675.00 +15%..................16,750
68,000.................................137,300......... 9,362.50 +25%..................68,000
maporsche
 
  1  
Sun 7 Mar, 2010 12:28 pm
@ican711nm,
And what's it going to be in 2011?
ican711nm
 
  0  
Sun 7 Mar, 2010 12:32 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
The public still, as a whole, blames Bush and the Republicans for the financial situation.

That is your delusion and/or your Obama delusion and/or your Salinky delusion.

The public blames BOTH Bush AND Obama for the financial situation. Actually it blames Bush and the Democrat Congress elected in 2006, AND Obama and the Democrat Congress elected in 2006.

Bush and his "go along to get along" bipartisan behavior led to his failure to publically and persistently attack the Fannie and Freddie distructive loan practices, which were the primary causes of the start of the recession. Also his TARP signing made things even worse.

Obama and his Salinsky influenced "blame Bush" strategy has led to not only a continuation of the Fannie and Freddie distructive loan practices, and TARP, but their huge expansions. Worse, Obama's Stimuluses have greatly reduced even further the amount of wealth available from the private sector for investment in job growth.

Saul Alinsky wrote:
The revolutionary’s purpose is to undermine the system by taking from the haves and giving it to the have-nots, and then see what happens;
Radicals should be political relativists and should take an agnostic view of means and ends;
The radical is not a reformer of the system but its would-be destroyer;
The most basic principle for radicals is lie to opponents and disarm them by pretending to be moderates and liberals;
The radical organizer does not have a fixed truth"truth to him is relative and changing; everything to him is relative and changing;
The issue is always the revolution;
The stated cause is never the real cause, but only an occasion to advance the real cause which is accumulation of power to make the revolution;
The radical is building his own kingdom, a kingdom of heaven on earth.

hawkeye10
 
  1  
Sun 7 Mar, 2010 12:37 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:
The public blames BOTH Bush AND Obama for the financial situation. Actually it blames Bush and the Democrat Congress elected in 2006, AND Obama and the Democrat Congress elected in 2006.

It is only now dawning on the lovers of partisan politics that according to the majority of citizens EVERYONE is dirty. The Dem/GOP sluggfest at the expense of the nation is yesterdays game......it is time for these folks (dinosaur partisans) to get with the program.
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