Obama '08?

@Cycloptichorn,

Looks like it. They only need 50 votes.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Yes, I recall that as well. And it turns out I was wrong. But the issue is not dead - though I also seem to recall you declaring on more then one occasion that the issue was in fact dead. So neither of us seem to have a perfect accuracy rating on this issue.
Cycloptichorn

Harry Reid has said and forecast many things on the health care issue. Unfortunately for him almost all of them didn't turn out as he predicted. Do you really think he is a reliable source at this moment? A Senate Majority Leader in serious danger of losing the forthcoming election ... if indeed he actually runs.

I did indeed make the assertions you noted. I believe the Democrat health care legislation is dead - however the "progressive" wing of the Democrat party doesn't appear to accept that increasingly evident fact.

A page or so back you endoresed Diest TKO's portrayal of the forthcoming health care meeting as some kind of Dmocrat smackdown of Republicans. Is that how you expect it to turn out? Doesn't sound very "bipartisan" to me.

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@georgeob1,

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A page or so back you endoresed Diest TKO's portrayal of the forthcoming health care meeting as some kind of Dmocrat smackdown of Republicans. Is that how you expect it to turn out? Doesn't sound very "bipartisan" to me.

Why should it be 'bipartisan?' This implies a two-way relationship, with both parties giving some things to get some things. But the Republicans have no intention of doing that.

I think that the prez is going to box your politicians in at this thing, and declare victory no matter what happens, and move on to using reconciliation.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Obama will try to do what he wants to be, a dictator, he wants to dictate what the American people will get, whether they want it or not. After all, "he" knows best, even though he's never had a real job of any import in the world, but has been nothing but a cheap Chicago politician / community organizer.

Let me guess, this post will be voted down, and I will be criticized for stating the obvious and blatant truth.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Why should it be 'bipartisan?' This implies a two-way relationship, with both parties giving some things to get some things. But the Republicans have no intention of doing that.{/quote] While the Democrats remain , as always, open-minded and willing to compromise. Yeah sure.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I think that the prez is going to box your politicians in at this thing, and declare victory no matter what happens, and move on to using reconciliation.

Gosh, that doesn't appear compatable with the open minded bi partisan discussion he said he wanted.

I agree with you with respect to his likely intention. I expect he will be as successful with this ploy as he has been with Cap & Trade, the efforts to date in passing health care and all the other key issues in his agenda.

The remarkable thing here is the apparent inability of this administration to learn grom its growing string of failures; and the contunuing unreality of the perspectives of his committed followers ... such as Cyclo.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Obama will try to do what he wants to be, a dictator, he wants to dictate what the American people will get, whether they want it or not.

OBAMA AND SAUL ALINSKY

Three of Obama's mentors in Chicago were trained by Saul Alinsky. Obama was hired in 1986 by the Alinsky team to organize residents on the South Side. The proposed solution to every problem on the South Side was distribution of government funds.

According to Alinsky, radicals should be “political relativists.” They should take an agnostic view of means and ends.

The revolutionary’s purpose is to undermine the system by taking from the HAVES and giving it to the HAVENOTS and then see what happens

We are not virtuous by not wanting power. We are really cowards for not wanting power, because power is good and powerlessness is evil.

Alinsky's most basic principle for radicals is: lie to opponents and disarm them by pretending to be moderates and liberals.

Alinsky stated, " the issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution." The stated cause is never the real cause, but only an occasion to advance the real cause which is accumulation of power to make the revolution.

Alinsky's demagogic standard of the revolution is democracy--a democracy which upends all social hierarchies, including those based on merit. Alinsky built his initial power base among the underclass and the urban poor by calling to make the last ones first and the first ones also last ones.

Source: BARACK OBAMA'S RULES FOR REVOLUTION, THE ALINSKY MODEL by David Horowitz

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@ican711nm,

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http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
Total nonfarm employment, January-December 2009,
seasonally adjusted
...
2008
August........................145,273,000
September……………... 145,029,000
October....................... 144,650,007
November...................144,144,000
December....................143,338,000

2009
January........ 133,549,000
February....... 132,823,000
March.......... 132,070,000
April.......... 131,488,000
May............ 131,141,000
June........... 130,637,000
July........... 130,293,000
August......... 130,082,000
September...... 129,857,000
October........ 129,633,000
November....... 129,697,000
December....... 129,547,000

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@ican711nm,

In the previous post the job estimates for 2008 were not revised estimates.

Quote:

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
Friday, February 5, 2010
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| Changes to The Employment Situation Text, Tables, and Data |
| |
| Several changes to The Employment Situation news release text |
| and tables are being introduced with this release [i.e., the above release]. In addi- |
| tion, establishment survey data have been revised as a result |
| of the annual benchmarking process and the updating of sea- |
| sonal adjustment factors. Also, household survey data for Jan-|
| uary 2010 reflect updated population estimates. See the notes |
| at the end of the text for more information about all of |
| these changes. |
| |
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@ican711nm,

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http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_02062009.htm
Table B. Revisions in total nonfarm employment, January-December 2008, |
|seasonally adjusted |
...
2008
|January ...... 138,080,000
|February ..... 137,936,000
|March ........ 137,814,000
|April ........ 137,654,000
|May .......... 137,517,000
|June ......... 137,356,000
|July ......... 137,228,000
|August ....... 137,053,000
|September .... 136,732,000
|October ...... 136,352,000
|November ..... 135,755,000
|December..... 135,178,000

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@ican711nm,

David Horowitz is an old hack conservative. This is BS, which is what one can expect of him.

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Obama's strongly approve percentage in the Rasmussen tracking poll hits an alltime new low at just 22%.

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 22% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. That is the lowest level of strong approval yet recorded for this President. "

Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -19. The Approval Index has been lower only on one day during Barack Obama’s thirteen months in office

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/february_2010/obama_approval_index_february_21_2010/288719-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_february_21_2010.jpg

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@okie,

Congratulations to the right. It has been successful in tarring Obama with its lies and other rotten tactics, the country be damn.

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@Advocate,

The country is ours, not Obama's, and thankfully more and more people are waking up to Obama's pattern of lying. People are getting fed up, Advocate.

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@okie,

Let's see the response when the Republicans don't show up to discuss health care.

The people might be waking up okie. But waking up means they have to face reality. What you are peddling is far from reality. When smear tactics are all you use, you might fool some fools but the rest of us won't let it go on for long before we throw you out.

Health care is getting out of control. The GOP have NO plan to rein it in. Let me repeat that ... NO PLAN. They are only offering simplistic responses that won't come close to solving the issues.

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@parados,

It is interesting to note that the Reps, who have been in power for 20 of the last 29 years, have never proposed any health-care reform. And, as you know, they fought like crazy against social security and Medicare. (Moreover, they have not given up on privatizing these.) I have concluded that they are merely dupes for wealthy individuals and corporations.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

The country is ours, not Obama's, and thankfully more and more people are waking up to Obama's pattern of lying. People are getting fed up, Advocate.

The country doesn't belong to you more than I, Okie. And you have nothing more than partisan carping and the old 'damn by association' game against Obama to point at, as has been displayed in this thread on many occasions.

Cycloptichorn

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@Advocate,

Republicans are dupes for freedom loving people. I am not rich, nor am I part of a corporation, however, I do own stock in corporations as do tens of millions of other normal Americans that work, people like teachers, firemen, engineers, architects, construction workers, farmers, and other hardworking law abiding and patriotic Americans.

By the way, Republicans have proposed health care reform, things like tort reform, which the Democrats blocked because they are dupes for the legal profession chocked full of ambulance chasers, people like John Edwards.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Republicans are dupes for freedom loving people. I am not rich, nor am I part of a corporation, however, I do own stock in corporations as do tens of millions of other normal Americans that work, people like teachers, firemen, engineers, architects, construction workers, farmers, and other hardworking law abiding and patriotic Americans.

By the way, Republicans have proposed health care reform, things like tort reform, which the Democrats blocked because they are dupes for the legal profession chocked full of ambulance chasers, people like John Edwards.

Tort reform isn't health care reform, as you well know. It is not a major contributor to the rise in health-care costs and it won't fix our problems.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

We've had this discussion before, cyclops, and anyone with any common sense knows you are wrong. When all but about one doctor quits delivering babies in a small city, simply because of liability issues and threat of lawsuits, anyone with an ounce of common sense knows the reason. Only people that constantly apologize for ambulance chasers and their buddies in Congress continue to argue as you do. I have not studied the statistics, but I am not blind in regard to what happens around me. And by the way, my brother was a doctor his entire working life, and has told me much.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

We've had this discussion before, cyclops, and anyone with any common sense knows you are wrong. When all but about one doctor quits delivering babies in a small city, simply because of liability issues and threat of lawsuits, anyone with an ounce of common sense knows the reason. Only people that constantly apologize for ambulance chasers and their buddies in Congress continue to argue as you do.

It doesn't matter to me if you want to attempt to insult me or the Dems in Congress. The facts simply don't support your position.

You should stop saying 'common sense' or 'anyone with common sense.' Really. You usually say that right before being really wrong, it's a dead giveaway.

Cycloptichorn

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