Obama '08?

@georgeob1,

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I can (and have) invested money in other countries, where I can get a better, and more relaible return than here.

Gee.... and do you still pay US income taxes on the money made overseas?

Or are you a tax cheat?

@hawkeye10,

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Just another way of saying that the Democratic leadership is out of touch with the people, as most of the a2k Democratic blowhards are. Failure will reform them, pain has a purpose.

This always kills me because it presupposes that liberals and Democrats aren't people. In case you didn't notice it, the people voted in the last election and I don't think anyone can reasonably claim the result was "out of touch with the people."

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@parados,

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This always kills me because it presupposes that liberals and Democrats aren't people

Power corrupts, power distorts perceptions. It is work to stay in touch with the little people, and dem leadership has not done the work.

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@hawkeye10,

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Power corrupts, power distorts perceptions. It is work to stay in touch with the little people, and dem leadership has not done the work.

Right. and you ARE in touch with the people?

You just don't seem to think that anyone that disagrees with you should count as people, I guess.

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@Cycloptichorn,

When it comes to tariffs, the best idea is already out there, but since it was presented in a work of fiction it will never be implemented.

We simply let our trade laws mirror other countries.
Our trade laws with China will be an exact copy of their laws towards us.
The same with Japan and every other country that wants to trade with us.
Our laws will mirror theirs.
That way, if they say their trade laws are fair then they will have to abide by the same laws.

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@parados,

I am trying to be persuasive, so I am linking to a commentator who is saying what I have been saying.

Ditto with the claim that Washington is broken, lots of people are saying it now, but I have been saying it for a long time. I noticed well before most people, and the popular opinion gravitated towards my position.

It is not about me though, so no need to get snotty. It is about the majority recognizing reality so that we can fix ****, cause we cant fix problems until we recognize that we have them, and we currently have a lot of broken stuff needing our attention.

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@parados,

Gosh ! Parados has become a rather petulant pedant.

Do you object to the mobility of capital?

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@hawkeye10,

Claiming DC is "out of touch with the people" and then dismissing anyone that thinks they aren't is rather snotty of you hawkeye.

To claim you "know the will of the people" is pretty arrogant and right up there with the worst I have seen out of DC. When someone in DC refuses to fix a problem and claims they are doing it because of the "will of the people" you can be damn sure they aren't doing the work the people hired them to do.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Below is reposted for Cyclo's benefit;

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I like Gallup -

http://www.gallup.com/poll/politics.aspx
They are consistent and have a long track record. And they peg the current approval ratings exactly as I listed them: Obama above 50%, the Dems in Congress next, and the Republicans in Congress in the toilet. Feel free to check for yourself.

I checked, but don't see the same rosy picture you implied. Obama at 51% is above 50% as you said, but lower by far than most presidents at this point. Moreover the 5% decline in approval which gallup says is typical in the second year does not bode well for the November Congressional elections.

Gallup reports about the same preferences among registered voters for Democrat & Republican "generic" Congressional candidates. In addition a significantly higher enthusiasm about voting among Republicans and a generally low approval of Congress among all voters, particularly Republicans and Independents. This directly contradicts your description above.

Indeed the Gallup Poll data you posted suggests the Democrats are in very serious jeapordy of losing control of Congress in the November election - more or less as I described it.

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@mysteryman,

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We simply let our trade laws mirror other countries.
Our trade laws with China will be an exact copy of their laws towards us

you still need to allow America to be flexible enough to decide for ourselves where we want to go. The fine tuning of what gets a tariff and how much needs to be a national decision, though the overall tariff collection for each nation could and should be regulated....probably as a percentage of GNP/GDP . If a nation collected too much they could rebate to the UN or World Bank.

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@georgeob1,

Moving capital overseas doesn't preclude you from owing income taxes which is what was pointed out to you. YOU haven't moved so you will owe US taxes no matter where you make money.

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@parados,

The point here is that high U.S. taxes can cause U.S. capital to be invested in more favorable places, thereby reducing investment in this country.

Thank you for the tutorial on tax law.

By the way, have you stopped beating your wife ?

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

Obama at 51% is above 50% as you said, but lower by far than most presidents at this point.

Here are the graphs of approval ratings for the last four presidents whose approval dropped below 50% within the first year (Gallup Polls, via Wikipedia):

Bill Clinton

Ronald Reagan

Jimmy Carter

Gerald Ford

Or, to look at this from a different perspective: out of the last six presidents, only two had more than 50% approval after the first year. Out of the two who had a higher approval rating, only one got re-elected.

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@georgeob1,

So.. if someone moves out of NJ, they could still invest there? The same if they move out of California?

I guess since someone doesn't have to live there to invest there, then the argument that rich people leaving will hurt business is a false argument.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

Indeed the Gallup Poll data you posted suggests the Democrats are in very serious jeapordy of losing control of Congress in the November election - more or less as I described it.

How, exactly, will the Democrats lose control of the senate? The GOP needs a swing of ten seats in order to gain control of that chamber: what are those ten seats?

This ought to be interesting.

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It would be interesting if they picked up 9 seats, too. All eyes would be on Joe Lieberman.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

So.. if someone moves out of NJ, they could still invest there? The same if they move out of California?

I guess since someone doesn't have to live there to invest there, then the argument that rich people leaving will hurt business is a false argument.

Parados - ever the obsessive pedant, looking for the illusory appearance of contradiction, but utterly lost in finding the meaning of what he examines.

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@joefromchicago,

I didn't forecast a Republican majority in the Senate - I think a Republican gain of about six of the ten needed seats is the most likely outcome at this point. However, the gain of ten seats is a realizable possibility now, and it wasn't just six months ago.

What I wrote was (as you can see for yourself) that the Democrat majorities in both Houses of the Congress are in jeapordy. That is observably the case.

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Charlie Cook: Nine Dem Senate Seats In Play:

The most endangered, after Dorgan’s open seat in North Dakota, are the open seats in Delaware and Illinois, followed by (Nevada-based Senate Majority Leader Harry) Reid; Michael Bennet, D-Colo.; Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark.; and Arlen Specter, D-Pa.

Add in Dodd’s open seat and that of Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., and that puts a total of nine seats in play.

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@old europe,

Please go back a couple of pages to the Cyclo comment to which I was responding.

My response was based on the Gallup Poll data that he cited to "prove" his prejudicial points. It turns out that that data suggested quite the opposite of what he asserted. My description of the Gallup data was entirely accurate.

I'n not a Nimh-like follower of polls: one can waste a lot of time and mental energy pursuing them.

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