Obama '08?

joefromchicago wrote:

okie wrote:

Obama wants to move us much further leftward on the socialism scale.

Would that it were only true.

Apparently you do not view an attempt to usurp and regulate 1/6 of the economy, with the ultimate goal of instituting single payer health care managed by the federal government, you do not view that as another socialistic policy.

I feel sorry for you, Joe, if you cannot grasp that simple fact.

Obama has to use incrementalism in his attempts to pull the country leftward, but it sounds like you are disappointed in that, so perhaps you would rather he just declare himself dictator now and institute the whole ball of wax immediately?

INTERNATIONAL REACTION TO TERRORISM THREATS

The following update was issued at breakfast this morning:

The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent terrorist threats and have raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved". Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross". The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies all but ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to a "Bloody Nuisance". The last time the British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was during the great fire of 1666.

The Scots raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Bastards". They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line in the British army for the last 300 years.

The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide". The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender". The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France's white flag factory, effectively paralysing the country's military capability.

It's not only the French who are on a heightened level of alert. Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout loudly and excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing". Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides".

The Germans also increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs". They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbour" and "Lose".

Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual, and the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels .

The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

Americans meanwhile and as usual are carrying out pre-emptive strikes, on all of their allies, just in case.

Meanwhile, in the southern hemisphere, ...

New Zealand has also raised its security levels --- from "baaa" to "BAAAA!". Due to continuing defence cutbacks (the air force being a squadron of spotty teenagers flying paper aeroplanes and the navy some toy boats in the Prime Minister's bath), New Zealand only has one more level of escalation, which is "****, I hope Australia will come and rescue us".

Australia , meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries" to "She'll be right, mate". Three more escalation levels remain: "Crikey!', "I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend" and "The barbie is cancelled". So far, no situation has ever warranted use of the final escalation level.

I am disappointed in Obama. In the area of health care reform, I'm extremely disappointed in him. Why, then, would I want to make him a dictator?

You voted for heavy handed government and usurpation of personal freedom and liberty, so why wouldn't you.

That is what ultra socialism is all about, and surely you must realize Obama is a dictator wannabe. If you don't, then you are completely naive and in the dark, which is not surprising to me after reading many of your posts.

The reality is that Obama and the political philosophy he espouses has a horrible track record in history, and will only reap more havoc in this country if it is not defeated. And that includes your political philosophy as well, Joe, as apparently Obama has not gone leftward enough yet to please you.

You are not an example of a person that can be reasoned with, you must be defeated at the polls by people that value liberty and freedom.

okie wrote:

The reality is that Obama and the political philosophy he espouses has a horrible track record in history, and will only reap more havoc in this country if it is not defeated. And that includes your political philosophy as well, Joe, as apparently Obama has not gone leftward enough yet to please you.

That's quite correct. He hasn't gone leftward enough for me.

That's quite correct. He hasn't gone leftward enough for me.

You are not an example of a person that can be reasoned with, you must be defeated at the polls by people that value liberty and freedom.

After all, alot of Obama's ideas are bent in that direction

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After all, alot of Obama's ideas are bent in that direction

Actually, none of his ideas are bent in that direction. You can't name a single one that is, I know; I've asked you repeatedly and you've repeatedly been unable to do so.

Cycloptichorn

Socialism
Main article: Socialism

Although there are still many Marxist revolutionary social movements and political parties around the world, since the collapse of the Soviet Union and its satellite states, very few countries have governments which describe themselves as Marxist. Although socialistic parties are in power in some Western nations, they long ago distanced themselves from their direct link to Marx and his ideas.

As of 2007, Laos, Vietnam, Cuba, and the People's Republic of China had governments in power which describe themselves as socialist in the Marxist sense. However, the private sector comprised more than 50% of the mainland Chinese economy by this time[citation needed] and the Vietnamese government had also partially liberalised its economy. The Laotian and Cuban states maintained strong control over the means of production.

North Korea is another contemporary socialist state[citation needed], though the official ideology of the Korean Workers' Party (originally led by Kim Il-sung and currently chaired by his son, Kim Jong-il), Juche, does not follow doctrinaire Marxism-Leninism as had been espoused by the leadership of the Soviet Union.