LionTamerX
 
  2  
Thu 17 Dec, 2009 07:44 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Please be specific.


If you are referring to my post, I was quite specific.
realjohnboy
 
  2  
Thu 17 Dec, 2009 07:45 pm
@H2O MAN,
Is there anything specific about driving on the right side of the road?
okie
 
  0  
Thu 17 Dec, 2009 08:05 pm
@realjohnboy,
I don't think we need a license to live, that would be one fallacy in your comparison to start with.
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 17 Dec, 2009 08:08 pm
@LionTamerX,
Quite specific about nothing concerning the forced purchase of health insurance.
okie
 
  -1  
Thu 17 Dec, 2009 08:11 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
This is what I believe, cyclops, sorry you do not. And you are the radical.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. "
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LionTamerX
 
  2  
Thu 17 Dec, 2009 08:38 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Quite specific about nothing concerning the forced purchase of health insurance.


If you are too lazy to read the portion of the constitution I referred you to, then I can't help you.
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 17 Dec, 2009 08:44 pm
@LionTamerX,


Can you prove being forced to buy health insurance is constitutional?
okie
 
  0  
Thu 17 Dec, 2009 09:17 pm
@H2O MAN,
If we own a house that is not paid off, the loan company makes us buy homeowners insurance or they will refuse to carry the loan. We are also required to purchase liability insurance on our car, to cover any loss on anyone that we may cause damage to, in the event that we are at fault in an accident, but I am not aware that we are forced to purchase collision or comprehensive insurance on our vehicle in case our vehicle is damaged. Now, if we are still oweing on our car, we may be required to pay for that insurance through the company that is carrying the loan on the vehicle. However, if it is paid off, we are not required to carry insurance for our damages, and I also believe that would not be constitutional, no more so than if it would be that the government demand we buy life insurance.

It does appear to me however that if a person is uninsured medically and he or she tries to use medical services that he or she cannot afford, then he may have to borrow money to pay the bill if he wants the service, and in that case could the company that provides you the loan demand you carry insurance? That seems to be similar to the case of auto and homeowners insurance. Just an idea, what if hospitals or doctors required uninsured and unable to pay patients acquire a loan from insurance companies to pay the bills, which in turn could require that person to purchase insurance from then on?

I see the arguments for both sides of this issue, but I think there could be free market solutions to this, aside from the government providing the service and charging all taxpayers for it. Further, we already have Medicaid, which is designed for people that cannot afford their own insurance or to pay for their own care.

It appears to me that we have already in place most of the pieces to the puzzle, and all we need to do is to tweak and refine, and fix the problem areas that we have, we do not need to replace the entire system with something that will be less quality and higher cost, which is what a bureaucratic solution always is. And I think the majority of this country would agree with me, and it also opposes what the Congress is attempting to do.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Fri 18 Dec, 2009 08:43 am
If everyone becomes mandated to buy helath insurance they can't afford to the detriment of their ability to pay their bills or have any discretionary quality to their lives... I suggest that millions of people refuse to do so and get sent to prison where the government will provide them with healthcare three hots and a cot at the expense of the cocksuckers in Washington and the people who agree with them's taxes. Very Happy
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Fri 18 Dec, 2009 09:25 am
@Bi-Polar Bear,
It appears Obama's Democrat party plans to provide health care, three hots and a cot to millions at the expense of honest tax paying Americans.

okie
 
  -1  
Fri 18 Dec, 2009 09:35 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

It appears Obama's Democrat party plans to provide health care, three hots and a cot to millions at the expense of honest tax paying Americans.

Unless the Democrats health panels check their computers and they tell them that your health condition is hopeless, then they let you die. That will probably also have input into your file as to how you vote, and if you are not voting Democrat, that will probably go into the model that determines your treatability, H2OMAN.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  3  
Fri 18 Dec, 2009 09:39 am
@H2O MAN,
good. suffer, bitch.
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Fri 18 Dec, 2009 09:58 am
@Bi-Polar Bear,
Bi-Bear, do you want all honest tax paying Americans to suffer or just me?
Bi-Polar Bear
 
  3  
Fri 18 Dec, 2009 10:05 am
@H2O MAN,
just the assholes pal, just the assholes.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Fri 18 Dec, 2009 10:09 am
@Bi-Polar Bear,
You want Obama's Democrat party to suffer... understood.
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Fri 18 Dec, 2009 10:20 am
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PVyDmTkfk6s/SYpBTLwBu-I/AAAAAAAABxk/alrfp9nNtqQ/s400/worst_president_ever_sm.jpg
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ican711nm
 
  -1  
Fri 18 Dec, 2009 06:14 pm
Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.



The power to provide healthcare to residents of the USA is not granted to the federal government by the Constitution. If you think otherwise, then find in the Constitution where the power to provide health care for residents of the USA is granted.

Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
Article I
Section 1. All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
...
Section 7.
...
Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together with the objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a law.
...
Article II
Section 1. The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.
...
Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States

Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 18 Dec, 2009 06:16 pm
@ican711nm,
Good thing that nobody is proposing that the Federal government provide healthcare to their citizens, then.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
  -1  
Fri 18 Dec, 2009 06:20 pm
Quote:

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Little did we know what Barack Obama really meant... when he promised to "fundamentally change America."

And if he can ram his so-called "health-care reform" �- the next giant step toward totalitarian socialism - through the Senate; he may very well keep that promise and destroy the country during his first term.

A FOXNews poll found that 57 percent of the American people oppose the so-called health care legislation that extreme radicals like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are desperately trying to shove down the throats of the American people.

But... as you may have already figured out... Obama and Pelosi and Reid don't care one lick what the American people think or want... They never cared what the American people thought or wanted.

That's because they're on a mission to transform the United States into a socialist country and they're daring you to stop them.

Let Obama and Pelosi and Reid get their way... allow their so-called health care legislation to pass... and they'll strut and swagger on the international stage, boasting:

See. In less than a year we've taken over the most powerful American banks and insurance companies. Now we've captured health care �- one-sixth of the U.S. economy. America is no longer America �- the arrogant country we all hate.

Let Obama and Pelosi and Reid get their way... allow this bill to pass... and you'll hear the cheers of ACORN... NARAL... union thugs... radical homosexual activists... Jeremiah ("God D___ America") Wright... George Soros... all all the apostles of totalitarian government.

That because, Barack Obama was talking directly to them (not the American people) when he promised "change you can believe in."

As for the rest of us... we'll all be the losers (as will our children and grandchildren)... victims of our own stupidity... victims of our apathy... if we allow Obama and Pelosi and Reid to pass this obscene bill.
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mysteryman
 
  0  
Sat 19 Dec, 2009 11:04 am
@LionTamerX,
Quote:
Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.


That is the full text of article 1, section 8 and there is nothing in it about insurance, traffic laws, etc.
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