Obama '08?

rjb, You expect too much from okie. He has no memory of history, but can assume how Obama will rate as a president during his first year in office. Most presidential historian will laugh in his face, but he's already tone deaf.

Fair enough, but I think I recall most presidential policy speeches as this one was have come from the Whitehouse. I don't recall Bush making a big policy announcement at West Point, but if you say so, I believe you.

Perhaps the subject of the pre-emptive strike relates to what I remember as the Bush Doctrine, in which he said that any country that harbors or assists terrorists have already essentially committed an act of war against the United States. Sort of like driving the getaway car, rjb, which makes the driver an assessory to the crime.

So what you describe as pre-emptive may not pre-emptive at all, as regards the reasoning of the Bush Doctrine. I happen to agree with the Bush Doctrine to an extent, if the principle explained is not over-extended or abused. For example, I think it is clear that the Taliban had an alliance with Al Qaeda, and even most Democrats have largely agreed that Aghanistan was a legitimate war, as explained by the Bush Doctrine. However, if the link or cooperation between a government and a terrorist organization that has attacked America is more casual or not clear, then I would be opposed.

In the case of Iraq, we had other complicating circumstances with Hussein previously attacking Kuwait and the fear of that recurring either there or some other country, we had his complete lack of cooperation, plus cat and mouse games with the U.N. inspectors with regards to WMD, Bush being told WMD was a slam dunk, and Hussein's known proclivity to support terror groups, plus the fact that Gulf War I was never concluded satisfactorily, all of these factors created a situation in which Congress voting in favor of Bush's authority to go into Iraq. Speaking for myself, I looked at all these factors, weighed them all, debated them, and after teetering on which way we should go, I then supported the president. Unlike Congress when the going got rough, they chose to spin the entire scenario onto Bush, blame Bush, and demonize Bush for political purposes, which I thought was one of the most despicable periods of politics ever played out by the Democrats in our history, I continued to support Bush. Much of the reason I did was because although I thought Bush imperfect and not always right, I still respected him as an honorable man, and better than much of Congress.

The above I think really captures alot of why Republicans and / or conservatives disagree with Democrats and / or liberals. I see Bush as basically an honest man that I trust, whereas liberals apparently do not. I have come to the conclusion that our political alliances or who we choose to follow or believe really result from our particular personal judgement of character. I judge Bush to be a man that I could buy a used car from, a man that I could trust, while I could never trust a Clinton for example. And Obama, I do not trust the man, I have never seen the man as a man that is open with his beliefs. I instead see a man that cloaks his true beliefs and thoughts. In contrast, although most people find Bush to be imperfect and almost everyone disagrees with at least one or more of his policies, I think almost everyone would have to admit that what you see is what you get when you look at Bush, he does not cloak his true beliefs, he looks you in the eye and tells you exactly what he thinks and what he will do. That is a man I can trust, and that is why I supported him, even though I disagreed with many of his decisions, example No Child Left Behind, Prescription Drug Program, etc. etc. The problem we have with Obama is that everbody, even liberals, are left to guess at who the man is, what he believes, and what he will do. This is not a man that I relate to very well at all, actually not at all.

Why must this so called president tell the enemy all of our plans of action?
What purpose is served by telling our enemy exactly when we plan to begin our troop draw down?

It is my opinion that PrezBO and his advisers are going to get many additional US and NATO troops killed for no reason. Unacceptable!

Also, PrezBO waited 3 months to tell us that he is committing 30K additional troops to the battle for Afghanistan only to begin
our retreat 18 months from today. Keep in mind that it will take about 6 months to get all 30K in place over in AFG... WTF?

yata yata, different day but same old tank backwash .

Get a deer yet, ya right wing nazi bastard?

I think this Afganistan business is going to turn Obama into LBJ. He's escalating the war to get his policies passed and to keep the Republicans quiet.

As long as the US continues to intervene with Karzai, Karzai will never provide the incentive to his countrymen/women to pull it together.

As Truman said: "If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog."

Out top jock foriegn affairs correspondent says the timing is arranged with the mid-term elections and the 2012 election in mind. The surge takes 3 months to work thus the mid-terms see the benefits and by 2012 the boys are coming back home.

Last nights speech was all about Obama and his re election plans.

Yea right, with more than half the population being against the war and want all the troops come home in the first place.

Personally I am surprised he went against popular opinion within his own party plus the others who are against the war in Afghanistan. I am also in the minority in my party that I agree with him.



Better than waiting seven years while fighting a war which had nothing to do with 9/11 in the first place, plus letting the main go free in order to do so.





U.S. Forces Missed Chance to Get Bin Laden

More than half the population that voted for Obama are still against the war and want all the troops come home in the first place.
These people do not account for half of the entire population - they are more of a hard line fringe group.
The vast majority of Americans want our military to kick ass, win the battle and move on to the next battle.

The global war on terror includes the battle for Afghanistan.
The battle for Afghanistan is not the entire war.

Poll: Obama's approval on Afghanistan plummets to 35 percent

Yeah, his base is not happy with him.

CI:
You thoughtfully wrote:

Who in hell is okie accusing of needing "race hustlers?" When okie talks about "buys your votes,' okie obviously doesn't understand how conservatives have been guilty of this - and conservative congress members have been bought and paid for by K Street more times than he can count! Such ignorance and stupidity, and okie wasn't even paid to say such things. It must be inborn at birth.

Your last line says it all; the only person focusing in on race is OKIE!
I may be one of a few, but ALL Black people aren't poor and some never were.
Some Blacks were born into slavery and some were always free! I am descended from slaves at least on one side of my family, a great grandmother who was Cherokee, an escapee from the "trail of tears" and a White Frenchman from Montreal, that I favor greatly!

What I am, is a constant reminder of America's History of Blacks in America.
I make no excuses or regret for who and what I am. I consider myself a Christian but embrace people of all faiths and race. I must be a real "craw" in his neck for the way he constantly harps on his perception of me and Blacks in general. People like him cry, "can't we move on"? Do you say that to Jews, Okie? What about Native Americans whose land we stole?

People like Okie are just one reason why this country is in a sorry state. It's evident that America has come a long way overcoming racism and bigotry. Are we there yet? Hopefully soon, just as Martin L. Kings speech asked for Justice back in 1963, 3 months before a sitting President was assassinated.
I was 19. The war in Viet-Nam hadn't escalated until LBJ, listening to another general sent troops to quell communism in North Viet-Nam. I haven't been the same since! My faith that America was what it reported to be, died on 11/22/63. I think we all lost our innocence.

As an aside, I don't think the President should send over more troops. We can't afford to lose another soldier. I hope he doesn't regret it.
Again, thank you for your response, else wise I'd leave this forum for the mean spiritedness I see festering here.

You said:

engineer wrote:


Transcript of Hersh interview for those interested.


I am not interested because I am not interested in liberal drivel that is mostly his imagination. Why anyone would take Seymour Hersh as a credible source for anything is a shock, engineer.
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ME:

You probably voted for McCain-Palin, a hypocrite and a prevaricator, whose book, Going Rogue, wasn't even written by her, whose Repug friends have bought cases of this "false and inaccurate" diatribe is unbelievable. She won't make a CENT from me!

Liberal drivel? What was Bush-Cheney, the God's honest truth? Remember, those two LIED us into 2 wars, BOTH of which American soldiers DIED for NOTHING!

....And the year? 2001, wasn't it? Who was in Office? The good guys right? The President, AWOL, from the Air Nat'l Guard, The VP, a 5-time deferment artist, the DoD chief, Rummy; never saw combat in the Air Force RESERVE!

Wow! What a line-up for defense. All 3 only knew how to PLAY Soldier!
Anybody getting in their way or calling their hand, is "outed" like Valerie Pflame, her husband, by phony journalists on Fox and phony reporting from the NY Times that write what Bush/Cheney want to hear, so she can have "access"! Just don't go hunting with Cheney. He'll shoot you in the face!
Great post!

It amazes me that so many liberals have yet to accept and realize that Obama won the election.
Obama is the president, but all these liberal extremists want to talk about is Bush, Cheney, McCain, Palin and others
in an attempt to blame others for Obama's dismal job performance that is reflected in his terrible poll numbers.

Why did you folks vote for this guy if you had no plans to support him?

Blacks will be on the forefront in okie's brain for as long as Obama is in office. As soon as there's a credible Jewish or Native American candidate for president, okie will start on them. For the time being, they pose no visible threat to his sense of safety and comfort level.

Hyperbole.

You sir, are a Fox news lacky.

I struck a nerve with you.

You are ashamed of yourself aren't you.