Obama '08?

@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Don't put words in my mouth, Okie. Besides; I thought you would like Wright much more than you apparently do, as he is no different than your Idols Limbaugh and Beck; all three of them regularly make ridiculous statements regarding the nature of our country and where we are headed, outrageous statements. It's something you approve - when you agree with the politics of the person in question.
Cycloptichorn

I missed this, but cyclops, I cannot let it pass without correcting the record. That, my friend, is a huge insult, it is totally and absolutely wrong. There is absolutely no evidence that Limbaugh and Beck can be compared to Wright, that is utter and complete nonsense. And the fact that Obama listened and considered Wright a mentor of his, that tells us a whole lot more than alot of Obama voters would like to admit. Not only Wright, but there are many many shady characters, none of which can be compared to anything Limbaugh or Beck have ever done or promoted. Frankly, its time for guys like you to wake up and smell the coffee, that is if you actually oppose things like Marxism and the destruction of America, none of which Limbaugh or Beck would be remotely connected with. Sadly, it is Obama that is connected to many such characters with sympathies toward marxism, and even domestic terrorism such as the Weather Underground.

I find it incredible, and frankly sad that so many people choose to sweep the radicalism surrounding Obama under the rug, as if it is a figment of peoples imagination or of no consequence.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Don't put words in my mouth, Okie. Besides; I thought you would like Wright much more than you apparently do, as he is no different than your Idols Limbaugh and Beck; all three of them regularly make ridiculous statements regarding the nature of our country and where we are headed, outrageous statements. It's something you approve - when you agree with the politics of the person in question.
Cycloptichorn

I missed this, but cyclops, I cannot let it pass without correcting the record. That, my friend, is a huge insult, it is totally and absolutely wrong. There is absolutely no evidence that Limbaugh and Beck can be compared to Wright, that is utter and complete nonsense.

There is evidence that they can be compared: I just compared them. So you are obviously wrong here.

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And the fact that Obama listened and considered Wright a mentor of his, that tells us a whole lot more than alot of Obama voters would like to admit. Not only Wright, but there are many many shady characters, none of which can be compared to anything Limbaugh or Beck have ever done or promoted.

Yes, they CAN be compared. Again, I just did so.

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Frankly, its time for guys like you to wake up and smell the coffee, that is if you actually oppose things like Marxism and the destruction of America, none of which Limbaugh or Beck would be remotely connected with.

You're correct; Beck and Limbaugh believe in the destruction of America from the other direction, the extreme right-wing. You just don't have the capability to understand the comparison.

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Sadly, it is Obama that is connected to many such characters with sympathies toward marxism, and even domestic terrorism such as the Weather Underground.

Man, I sometimes forget that you bought into the bullshit last election to a far greater degree than anyone else I converse with.

You still didn't answer my question, as to how you can have complete faith in US foreign policy, but no faith in Domestic policy, when it is the same group running both! I think it will be highly revealing if you do attempt to answer that.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Their response is a wake-up call for the US, and it is hardly obscene to point that out, Bill. If we had utilized better judgment in our dealings with the Middle East, we would not be worrying about the response from that area the way we do today.
Wrong. You imply a cause and effect relationship that can neither be substantiated nor justified.

Kids picked on Seung-Hui Cho of the V-Tech massacre prior to him opening fire on a multitude of innocents. In Cho's mind, he may have thought he was justly retaliating against those mean kids when he indiscriminately murdered dozens of random students. Should this too be described as "the Chicken's came home to roost?" Of course not.

Bad example. You put the US in the place of 'innocent students,' when we are anything but - as you know. Why pretend any differently? We were not randomly targeted.

Nonsense. I put the random innocent victims brutally murdered at the towers in place of the random innocent victims brutally murdered at V-Tech. Both perps had substantial provocation and said provocation provided ZERO justification for their deeds.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:
You claimed this viewpoint was mainstream... which is absurd. The Right still won't let it go, and President Obama's numbers took a hit just from being associated with the idiot who forwarded this opinion, due in no small part to this idiotic opinion being replayed repeatedly. Mainstream, it is not.

Obama's numbers took a hit? I suggest you go to Pollster.com and review this claim. He went down 2-3 points on average, for a month. There was no serious disdain amongst the populace that was put towards him whatsoever. The whole thing was a manufactured outrage on the part of the media.

I think it is a mainstream view to believe that part of the reason 9/11 happened was the history of US meddling in the Middle East, yes. I certainly haven't seen any evidence that this is not a mainstream view.

You're moving the goal posts rather than concede the obvious. Obviously meddling by the U.S. contributed in motivating the attackers, but that in no way justifies an attack on random innocents. Your decision to put blame on the victims of heinous crime, for the misdeeds of others, is as illogical as it is repugnant to any aptly named Justice System. That is the essence of "chickens came home to roost." Check your premise.

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@OCCOM BILL,

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You're moving the goal posts rather than concede the obvious. Obviously meddling by the U.S. contributed in motivating the attackers, but that in no way justifies an attack on random innocents. Your decision to put blame on the victims of heinous crime, for the misdeeds of others, is as illogical as it is repugnant to any aptly named Justice System. That is the essence of "chickens came home to roost." Check your premise.

That is not the essence of 'chickens coming home to roost.' You are defining that phrase far more narrowly than either I have or then Wright used it. Why don't you actually look at his statement in context and re-evaluate your response:

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"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.

Wright - exactly like myself - states that AMERICA as a whole is reaping the result of that which we have sown in the Middle East. I never claimed that the acts of 9/11 were justified, and you cannot produce a quote where I have. I merely believe that they did not spring, as Okie seems to believe, out of some nebulous 'hate-filled society.'

You don't get to define what 'chickens coming home to roost' means in a way so narrow, Bill. Wright did not blame the people who were killed on 9/11 for it happening, he blamed American actions for causing it to happen. It's immaterial to me whether you agree with this or not, but you ought to represent the point accurately.

Additionally, I maintain that your VaTech analogy was very poor - the US as a whole is not analogous to the students who teased the shooter, as we really have engaged in a wide variety of nefarious actions in the Muslim world - and that you were completely wrong about Obama's poll numbers and public belief on these issues.

Cycloptichorn

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@kickycan,

I like your analysis and wholeheartedly agree, just as I agree with the answer below your reply. He has "repugitis". No matter how factual/true your response is, he manages to twist it to fit some "off the wall" conservative narrowmindedness! I'll bet he won't get THIS, either!

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@Cycloptichorn,

You call it BS about Wright and all of the other radicals. Wake up, they are not a figment of peoples imagination. If you had one iota of evidence that Wright did not say the chickens came home to roost, that he did not rant against rich whites and Jews, that Ayers did not attempt to bomb the Pentagon, that some of Obama's appointees are not admirers of Marx or folks like Chairman Mao, be my guest. If you don't, then I would say to you to put up or shut up.

Another thing, you accused me of being quote unquote prejudiced about my predictions about the shooter in Texas. Well, admit its turning out right. I think its time for you to put up or shut up, cyclops, I've had it with you people that attack decent Americans but turn around and defend terrorists and people that spread hatred for the country, as the likes of Wright has done, even suggesting that the man was correct.

I have a very close relative that just cycled through that fort, and to think he could have been one that was shot by somebody that has been apologized for and justified, the chickens have come home to roost, blah blah, and to think we have a president that sat there and listened to that garbage and apparently said uh huh uh huh, and then probably lied when he denied it. Get lost, cyclops, I think I've had it with your ilk.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Get lost, cyclops, I think I've had it with your ilk.

woo hoo, the south will rise again

brother against brother, coming this fall to ABC, Civil War 2

can't wait

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@okie,

okie wrote:

You call it BS about Wright and all of the other radicals. Wake up, they are not a figment of peoples imagination. If you had one iota of evidence that Wright did not say the chickens came home to roost, that he did not rant against rich whites and Jews, that Ayers did not attempt to bomb the Pentagon, that some of Obama's appointees are not admirers of Marx or folks like Chairman Mao, be my guest. If you don't, then I would say to you to put up or shut up.

Another thing, you accused me of being quote unquote prejudiced about my predictions about the shooter in Texas. Well, admit its turning out right. I think its time for you to put up or shut up, cyclops, I've had it with you people that attack decent Americans but turn around and defend terrorists and people that spread hatred for the country, as the likes of Wright has done, even suggesting that the man was correct.

I have a very close relative that just cycled through that fort, and to think he could have been one that was shot by somebody that has been apologized for and justified, the chickens have come home to roost, blah blah, and to think we have a president that sat there and listened to that garbage and apparently said uh huh uh huh, and then probably lied when he denied it. Get lost, cyclops, I think I've had it with your ilk.

Jesus Christ, Okie. You are one dense son of a bitch. I stand by everything I've said about you. You accuse me of saying things I haven't said, you mis-represent the meanings of things others have done, and you see a Marxist Liberal Commie boogeyman around every corner. It's insane, having discussions with you.

Wright was correct - America's chickens ARE coming home to roost. We have reaped what we are now sowing. Only the far-right wing wants to pretend that this is untrue. Your unwillingness to engage in substantive discussion on this issue doesn't speak well for your ability to judge this matter.

Do you have the guts to answer my question, regarding your trust of American Foreign policy and your distrust of Domestic policy? You have ignored it three times now, so I'm beginning to suspect you do not.

Cycloptichorn

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@djjd62,

Is Okie going to put Cyclops on "Ignore?" Will Cyclops put Okie on "Ignore?"
We can only hope.
Tune in for tomorrow's episode of "Who Gives a ****."

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@realjohnboy,

That touchdown the Dolphins were allowed to perform in the last minutes was far more important.

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@spendius,

wow, eat their own weight in salmon, jump twice their own length out ofthe water, and score touchdowns

is there nothing dolphins can't do

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@spendius,

big light in sky frightens minorities in the east.

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@djjd62,

Yeah. Finesse the 9 of hearts to make a 7 no trumps contract when doubled and redoubled at $10 a point.

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@realjohnboy,

Love your post; succinct and to the point.
We also know okie doesn't keep his own word about who he Ignores; he's responded to my recent post. ha ha ha...

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@spendius,

there's hamburger all over the highway in Mystic Connecticut.

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@cicerone imposter,

How can anybody ignore you ci. You're pure joy. Even the D stream must take heart after reading your stuff.

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@Cycloptichorn,

I stated Obama's numbers took a hit; they did. Who knows how far they'd have sunk had he not chosen to toss his friend of 20 years under the bus for expediency's sake. Had he, himself, said something that stupid; he wouldn’t be President now. Fortunately for him most of us didn’t much care what his preacher, butcher or Plummer had to say.

I stated that innocents were targeted; they were. Your "chickens" bullshit implies some culpability on the part of the victims in the towers, which is utterly absurd. 90 country's citizen's were represented in that massacre. Were they ALL "bad countries" Cyclo? WTF?

Wright's nonsense about the American bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki having ANYTHING to do with the events of September 11th is just that; nonsense. Pretty much the same thing goes for purported support for state terrorism against Palestinians and "black South Africans." If you're going to keep standing up for the idiot, I'll be happy to count you with him.

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@OCCOM BILL,

Bill, I'm not going around the bend with you on this one. The 'chickens' comment doesn't imply culpability on the part of the victims of the towers, just America itself - which is exactly what Wright and I said. Don't blow our statements up into something they are not, just b/c you are looking for an argument.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Makes sense to me dude.

The USA is not good or bad, and we do both.
K
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@realjohnboy,

realjohnboy wrote:

Is Okie going to put Cyclops on "Ignore?" Will Cyclops put Okie on "Ignore?"
We can only hope.
Tune in for tomorrow's episode of "Who Gives a ****."

Cyclops and I go back a very long way, and we agree on almost nothing, but so far I have viewed him as at least a person that is open and willing to state reasons for his opinions. This latest bit really disturbs me however, rjb, I am going to run this by you and see what your thoughts are. Here is the scenario:

As soon as the shootings at the fort went down and the reports began to filter in, it became fairly obvious to me that here we go again, a guy with sympathies toward radical Islam, and so I posted that opinion with my guess that it was going to turn out to be a situation where he had sympathies toward radical Islam, he probably thought the United States was guilty of making war against Islam, we are to blame, he may even have ties to terror groups, and so forth. I did not base it upon no information, I based it upon preliminary information coming in.

Well, guess what, it was no surprise, the liberal leftists jumped on me immediately, with snood and others chiming in, but cyclops leading the pack and accusing me of being "prejudiced." As it turns out, my suspicions and guesses are turning out to be pretty darn close, and this is what frosts me big time, rjb, the accusation of prejudice, that can be described as the politically correct crowd's favorite mantra, and the really big point about this, at this very moment, we have information coming in that part of the reason, or maybe alot of the reason why this shooter was left untouched from being demoted or kicked out of the service or something may in fact be precisely because of political correctness becoming prevalent even in the military.

I am going to post the evidence, and if this turns out to be true, and I think it has strong possibilities, after all, we already know we knew some things about this guy that should have tipped us off, but for whatever reasons we could not or did not act on it. Could it be that the very philosophy that cyclops is parading here is exactly the philosophy that cost us alot of innocent lives? Could those murders have been prevented if the military was not hamstrung by political correctness? Sadly, in all honesty I think a strong possibility, and at least one guy that was there and knew the situation thinks so, according to my link. Cyclops will not want to hear it, but the truth is the truth. I think some people need to answer some very very serious questions, rjb. I am not happy about it, I have a close relative that went through that fort more than once, and it comes close to home, and I also think every decent American should be mad about this, and also want answers out of the politically correct crowd. I don't know about you, but this looks like a clearcut case of common sense, the answers are inescapably obvious, you either stand for decency and common sense, or you are essentially defending killers. Sorry, but I think arguments like cyclops have gotten totally off the map, and I am going to say so. Frankly, I am tired of the Jeremiah Wright attitudes and their apologists.

"
Army Ignored Warning Signs From Fort Hood Shooter, Former Classmate SaysThere were all sorts of ... comments made throughout the year that made me question his loyalty to the United States, but nothing was done," said Finnell, who recalled one class during which Hasan gave a presentation justifying homicide bombings.

"The issue here is that there's a political correctness climate in the military. They don't want to say anything because it would be considered questioning somebody's religious belief, or they're afraid of an equal opportunity lawsuit.

http://www.foxnews.com/

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