McGentrix
 
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Wed 17 Jan, 2007 08:29 am
Obama's first blunder

Presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) made his first misstep a few days ago when he joined only a handful of Democrats in opposing a Senate reform banning the increasingly widespread practice of legislators hiring their family members on their campaign or PAC payrolls. Obama has not heard the last of this vote. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), who opposes wives cashing in on their husbands' positions, voted righteously in favor of the reform and will probably use the Illinois senator's vote against him in the presidential primaries.

When a legislator hires his or her spouse on the campaign or PAC payroll, he is effectively converting contributions to his campaign committee into personal income that flows into the family's checking account, blurring the line between contribution and bribe.

In the past, senators and House members routinely hired their spouses and other family members on their public payrolls. In the early 1940s, for example, Harry S. Truman hired his wife, Bess, to work on his Senate staff. She got $2,500 a year in salary at a time when senators themselves only earned $8,500. But nepotism on the public payroll is now banned. So inventive congressmen and senators have filled the void by hiring family on their campaign or PAC payrolls.

Hiring family members and paying them with campaign donations is, if anything, more pernicious than doing so with public funds. Where tax money is involved, the sin is against the taxpayer for wasting his funds. But where campaign contributions are involved, the congressman is profiting personally from the largesse of special interest donors. In plain English, that's a payoff.

There is, of course, a certain hypocrisy in the Senate action since very few senators, in fact, hire their families on their payrolls. It is, though, widely practiced in the House of Representatives, where 30 members have their families on their payrolls. But senators are much less likely to do so. Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), who voted "present" on the reform, hired her son, Douglas, a lobbyist, to manage her PAC, paying him $130,000 over a four-year period. Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, then a Democrat, hired his son, Matthew, for $34,000 and his daughter, Rebecca, for $36,000 to work on his 2004 presidential campaign.

So the congressional ethics reform of 2007 boils down to this: The House banned the use of corporate jets but the Senate did not, even though senators are more likely to avail themselves of the luxury than is the average House member. The Senate banned hiring family members but the House did not, even though House members are far more likely to hire their significant others to work for them.

Obama's inexplicable pro-nepotism vote may have been cast in sympathy with Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.), whose hiring of his wife, Sandi, to work on his campaign prompted an FEC ruling allowing the practice. Jackson might be afraid that the Senate action will catalyze a similar reform in the House, which could cut way back on his disposable family income.

But whatever the reason for his vote, Obama has screwed up. The public will not take kindly to a senator who pledged to clean up the political process voting to allow wives to be hired with special-interest campaign funds.

The FEC required, in allowing the practice, that the contract for the services of the family member contain the language customarily used between campaign committees and consultants. The FEC also ruled that any payment to a family member in excess of the fair market value of the services would be considered to be a "personal use of campaign funds."

But, as usual, the FEC has missed the point. Any payment from campaign money to a spouse is, in fact, an appropriation of campaign funds by the member of Congress for his own personal use, however camouflaged or disguised. The Senate was right to ban the practice and the House should follow suit.
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sozobe
 
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Wed 17 Jan, 2007 08:36 am
As if he wasn't in enough of a fishbowl already...

I have a feeling there's something more to it -- if the relative is the most qualified person, why exclude him or her, maybe -- but I don't know, will look into it.

Thanks for all those links, Walter!
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cjhsa
 
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Wed 17 Jan, 2007 08:37 am
He's stated more than once that people do not have a right to defend themselves with a firearm in their home.

He's an IL-nazi.
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cjhsa
 
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Wed 17 Jan, 2007 08:42 am
http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

Supports banning semi-automatics, effectively making most hunters and gun owners instant criminals.
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sozobe
 
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Wed 17 Jan, 2007 08:42 am
So far I haven't been able to find out more about it than McGentrix' article (only result when I searched). Anyone have ideas about seeing the actual bill? (They're famous for being structured in such a way that it's easy to bash people for voting for or against something when it's more complex than that.)
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Thomas
 
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Wed 17 Jan, 2007 09:03 am
sozobe wrote:
Anyone have ideas about seeing the actual bill?

See "active legislation" in the Senate.

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/b_three_sections_with_teasers/active_leg_page.htm

I would expect the passage under "ethics reform", the other open pieces of legislation don't fit it really. But I haven't yet found anything about family members in this bill.

EDIT: It's in an amendment. Here you go. (The 10039th reason I love the internet.)
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sozobe
 
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Wed 17 Jan, 2007 09:07 am
I checked that too, with the same result. (Hmm, maybe ethics reform, hmm, don't see anything that seems to fit.)

Thanks for checking, let me know if you find the specifics (I'll keep looking, too).
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sozobe
 
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Wed 17 Jan, 2007 09:07 am
Oh, great! Thanks.
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sozobe
 
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Wed 17 Jan, 2007 09:13 am
OK, so, 11 Democrats voted "nay." Is that "a handful"?

The total vote was 54 yea, 41 nay.

Here's the text:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r110:1:./temp/~r110FS9Vjz:e91453:

I sense a whole lot of over-my-head political machinations. For example, Obama was a driving force behind several of the specific ethics reforms in that bill -- did he think that taking out that one made it more likely that the bill as a whole would pass, making sure other, more important aspects were actually implemented? (As McGentrix's article indicates, nepotism is not currently a major problem.)
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Thomas
 
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Wed 17 Jan, 2007 09:19 am
I didn't yet read the whole text, and probably won't because even my time is limited. But even by the description of McGentrix's article, I see this as a bill on which reasonable people can disagree. A "nay" on it does not strike me as a political blunder, just as a "yeah" wouldn't."

EDIT: Actually, the relevant part of the text is pretty short
    ``SEC. 325. PROHIBITION ON EMPLOYMENT OF FAMILY MEMBERS OF A CANDIDATE OR FEDERAL OFFICE HOLDER BY CERTAIN POLITICAL COMMITTEES. ``(a) In General.--It shall be unlawful for any authorized committee of a candidate or any other political committee established, maintained, or controlled by a candidate or a person who holds a Federal office to employ-- ``(1) the spouse of such candidate or Federal office holder; or ``(2) any immediate family member of such candidate or Federal office holder. ``(b) Immediate Family Member.--For purposes of subsection (a), the term `immediate family member' means a son, daughter, stepson, stepdaughter, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, mother, father, stepmother, stepfather, mother-in-law, father-in-law, brother, sister, stepbrother, or stepsister of the Member.''. (b) Effective Date.--The amendment made by this section shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act.

I see how reasonable can vote for this, but not how voting against it constitutes a blunder. I guess the journalistic community is just in the mood to jump on occasions where Obama and Clinton cast conflicting votes.
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okie
 
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Wed 17 Jan, 2007 09:25 am
The guy gave a speech. Lets elect him. Surprise, the guy actually has stances on things that we may need to look into, in other words he is an ultra lib. The thing that has so surprised me is how fast some people have jumped on this guy's bandwagon with so little information. Scary to say the least. I'm waiting for Hillary to tear him apart before the Republicans even have to worry about doing it.
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sozobe
 
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Wed 17 Jan, 2007 09:48 am
I agree, Thomas.

Okie, I think blatham will be around with something about a "meme" pretty soon... (I mean, how many times has that idea -- "The thing that has so surprised me is how fast some people have jumped on this guy's bandwagon with so little information" -- been brought up and dealt with on this thread alone...?)
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blatham
 
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Wed 17 Jan, 2007 09:54 am
thomas wrote
Quote:
I see how reasonable can vote for this, but not how voting against it constitutes a blunder. I guess the journalistic community is just in the mood to jump on occasions where Obama and Clinton cast conflicting votes.


Note the author.
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okie
 
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Wed 17 Jan, 2007 10:13 am
sozobe wrote:
I agree, Thomas.

Okie, I think blatham will be around with something about a "meme" pretty soon... (I mean, how many times has that idea -- "The thing that has so surprised me is how fast some people have jumped on this guy's bandwagon with so little information" -- been brought up and dealt with on this thread alone...?)


Sorry, but it continues to amaze.
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sozobe
 
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Wed 17 Jan, 2007 10:35 am
okie wrote:
sozobe wrote:
I agree, Thomas.

Okie, I think blatham will be around with something about a "meme" pretty soon... (I mean, how many times has that idea -- "The thing that has so surprised me is how fast some people have jumped on this guy's bandwagon with so little information" -- been brought up and dealt with on this thread alone...?)


Sorry, but it continues to amaze.


It continues to annoy me that it's such a trope. I understand that there are probably people who don't know much about him, but it's way too easy to claim that his support his just about charisma or dazzle or whatever. I started this thread almost a whole year ago, and knew plenty about him then and way more now. My support is anything but uninformed.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 18 Jan, 2007 06:32 am
Quote:
Obama aides claim surge of support
Announcement spurs Illinois offers of help

By Christi Parsons
Washington Bureau
Published January 18, 2007

In southern Illinois, one gun-rights advocate is recommending Sen. Barack Obama to his hunting friends and talking about forming a group with the working title "Sportsmen for Obama."

"I don't agree with everything he says about guns, but he gets the sportsman's point of view on it," said state Rep. Brandon Phelps (D-Norris City), who served with Obama in the Illinois legislature.

"He would never do anything to hurt hunters, because he has bothered to get to know us and listen to us," Phelps said.

Support from a group such as the one Phelps is proposing, even an ad hoc one, could help ingratiate Obama (D-Ill.) with more conservative voters, either in rural areas or among union members with strong pro-gun views.

In the early hours after Obama announced his presidential exploratory committee Tuesday, Phelps was one of hundreds of people who reached out to formally offer services representing any number of viewpoints. The flood of responses, Obama aides say, has swamped the budding campaign operation.
Friends from the Illinois legislature are offering to work as a truth squad against attacks on his Statehouse record. In the Quad Cities in western Illinois, local Democrats want to help Obama launch his foray into nearby Iowa, which holds the nation's first caucuses.

"My Senate office is literally right across the Mississippi River, a few blocks away," said state Sen. Mike Jacobs (D-East Moline). "I could certainly shoot a crossbow from here and hit Iowa."

A Chicago minister volunteered to take time off from his church to work for the campaign full time. Students who met on the Facebook Web site have launched an independent group named Students for Barack Obama.

Each group says it approached Obama's offices unsolicited, which the senator's staffers say is how they want things to work.

"We want this to be seen by people as a campaign that is going to be built from the bottom up," said Robert Gibbs, an adviser to Obama. "Barack began his career as a community organizer. . . . It's in jobs like that that you see the power that people can have."

That certainly would be the campaign's desire, though it belies the reality of an organization expected to raise tens of millions of dollars and include hundreds of professional staff.

And, no doubt, grass-roots efforts running independently of a political campaign carry risks, such as confusion among volunteers, duplicative work and even phony groups influenced by political adversaries. In a political age when staying "on message" is everything, work not coordinated by the central campaign could be a strategist's worst nightmare.

Then there's always the possibility that a "grass-roots organization" will later be revealed as a carefully managed stage production.

But several of the offers come from elected officials and other Democratic leaders around Illinois, and their sponsors say they're genuine.

State Sen. John Cullerton (D-Chicago) has offered to put together a team of lawmakers to tout and defend Obama's record in the General Assembly, where he served in the state Senate for eight years.

U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) is offering to introduce Obama around the House, where many members haven't had a chance to get to know him.

North Shore Democrats say they are getting calls from volunteers who want to make bus trips to promote Obama in Iowa.

Offers have come from all over the country, campaign aides say.

Famid Sinha, a senior at the University of Pennsylvania and a founder of Students for Barack Obama, said the movement is completely student-led and has more than 31,000 members.

"We started 100 percent on our own," Sinha said. "This is one of the reasons our group is so significant. The fact that 30-some odd thousand students proactively sought to join our movement speaks volumes to the revolutionary nature of Sen. Obama's candidacy."

As a Democrat in conservative southern Illinois, Phelps appreciates Obama's message about talking across the political divide.

"Those heartfelt issues tend to divide people," Phelps said. "But Barack, he does bridge that."


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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 18 Jan, 2007 06:34 am
http://i18.tinypic.com/2gxr4ee.jpg

Source: Chicago Tribune, 18.01.07, page 8
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Thomas
 
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Thu 18 Jan, 2007 07:13 am
Great! Still so many undecideds to swing. Go get 'em Soz!
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nimh
 
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Thu 18 Jan, 2007 07:28 am
sozobe wrote:
As if he wasn't in enough of a fishbowl already...

I have a feeling there's something more to it -- if the relative is the most qualified person, why exclude him or her, maybe -- but I don't know, will look into it.

Thank you, Sozobe and Thomas, to come up with the actual text and vote. That certainly gave a sudden twist to the conversation on the Democrats Gloating thread.

I'm not inclined to prevaricate about the actual question of the bill though, in terms of "why exclude the relative, maybe, if he is the most qualified person".. I think it's positively daft that congressional rules so far permitted relatives of senators and House members to work as lobbyists. Its an invitation to nepotism and corruption. I dont know how it is in Holland or Germany, but I cant imagine it being allowed there?

Furthermore, those rules also apparently permitted for earmarks being included in legislation that financially benefit senators, their staffers or their relatives. Thats even worse.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 18 Jan, 2007 07:33 am
nimh wrote:
I dont know how it is in Holland or Germany, but I cant imagine it being allowed there?


Here, family members are not allowed to work against payment.
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