Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 10:50 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
If you could point out specific things Obama has said or done that make us any less safe,


He has cancelled the missile defense system in E. Europe.


That doesn't make us in America one whit less safe, as that system couldn't shoot down ****, and missiles coming from Russia towards the US are quite unlikely to take the long way around...

Cycloptichorn
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 10:51 am
@okie,
Quote:
but I do believe completely that he cared about the security of the country, and we did not have another attack here after 9/11
Giving George credit for the sunrise again? How come he missed all the signals that led to 9/11? and why didnt he fess up that Iraq war II was based on bogus data and premises.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 10:53 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

I am not as confident with Obama, I don't think he cares that much about us, its about him.

Well then, let's go with that. Assuming that he only cares about himself, then he probably wants to serve another term. I'm guessing you believe he wants to be president because he wants to be famous? Have power? Something else? Whatever it is, another major attack on our soil would negatively affect his ambitions. So even if you believe your worst fears about Obama, you shouldn't be afraid.
farmerman
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 10:55 am
@Cycloptichorn,
spendi doesnt comprehend the "Great Circle route"

Anyway, this missile tent was to protect the US primarily from missiles from a more militant Iran.

Amyway, we dont have a fixed base anti missile yet, the smaller "Patriot III's are the closest AMM's in the quiver and putting them on boats and subs makes way more sense.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 10:56 am
@FreeDuck,
I dont know what it cost, but I do know some of what it took for Obama to go to Denmark.

The Secret Service sends an advance team over about 1 week in advance, scouting out airports, the route Obama would take, the meeting place, and every other place Obama would be.
They also have a team there to secure the fuel facilities for all of the POTUS's aircraft and vehicles.
They take at least 2 aircraft, AF! and another plane carrying the presidential limo and his helicopter, along with other needed vehicles.
The President also takes his staff, national security people, chefs to prepare his food, etc.

I did find this...http://www.boingboing.net/2007/11/29/president-bushs-trav.html

Its dated info, but there is no reason to think that Obama travels with any less people.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 11:11 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

The Secret Service sends an advance team over about 1 week in advance, scouting out airports, the route Obama would take, the meeting place, and every other place Obama would be.


They should have informed the Danish authorities, too! It got them with quite a surprise when it was announced that the President came personally, too. (Only Michelle Obama's visit was announced as representative of the White House)
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 11:12 am
@FreeDuck,
I will try to explain what is going on here with the mental attitude of Obama. I believe Obama's mindset is at least partially controlled or is living in a state of unreality. He has such an egotistical feeling that by sheer force of his personality he can talk the world into something that is in his vision. An example of that was going to Denmark, and now that it has failed, it was not his problem, his apologists are beginning to blame it onto other things, even Bush. He thinks he can negotiate with two bit dictators, and he actually thinks he can make the world nuclear free. He also thinks the world is unfair, the U.S. is unfair, and he can change all of that. He does not reside in reality.

He has made the world less safe by apologizing and demeaning the defense of freedom and liberty. He cowtows to two bit dictators and despots, he wants to talk to anyone based upon some unrealistic vision of the world. People like Hugo Chavez love the guy because they see him as a pushover, an opportunity to diminish America and to expand their Marxist influence in South and Latin America, and worldwide for that matter. And as spendius has pointed out, he gave up the missile defense system, for basically nothing. He wants to give full civilian rights to terrorists, as if they are a common garden variety criminal. He has diminished the job of the CIA by wanting to investigate and prosecute them for simply doing their jobs, doing their jobs in ways that had already been given the green light by the best legal advice given in the previous administration. And he is siding with the wrong people in Honduras. He is also leaning toward abandoning our one good ally and stable country in the Middle East, Israel. These are but a few of the things going on.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 11:16 am
@okie,
Quote:


He has made the world less safe by apologizing and demeaning the defense of freedom and liberty.


How, specifically, does this make the world less safe?

Quote:
He wants to give full civilian rights to terrorists, as if they are a common garden variety criminal


How, specifically, does this make the US less safe?

Quote:
And he is siding with the wrong people in Honduras.


You're only saying this, because you like the right-wing government overthrow of the Leftist down there. Not because this has anything to do with Obama or our safety at all. NO country has recognized the new government in Honduras.

Cycloptichorn
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 11:37 am
@okie,
okie wrote:
I will try to explain what is going on here with the mental attitude of Obama...

As only you can, am I right?

T
K
O
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 11:41 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

I will try to explain what is going on here with the mental attitude of Obama. ... ...


What psychiatric parameter are you using here? Or are you more following psychological guidelines?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 11:51 am
@mysteryman,
actual reality based information would help your case. speculation as to what has generally been done in the past and then state that as what was done in this case is really silly.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 01:02 pm
One parting comment (perhaps) about President Obama's trip to Denmark. Rasmussen does his polling using a 3-day rolling sample. The poll that came out today was the 1st one on Mr Obama's APPROVAL RATING covering the 3 days since he went there.
10/5: 31% Strongly Approve {SA} - 37% Strongly Disapprove {SD} = -6
52% Approve {A} - 48% Disapprove {D} of his overall performance = +4
10/4: 30% SA - 39% SD = -9 49% A - 50% D = -1%
10/3: 29% SA - 38% SD = -9 48% A - 51% D = -3%
Rasmussen made no comment as to whether this little blip up had any relationship to his trip.

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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 01:48 pm
@okie,
okie, you can't imagine how much entertainment I got from that post.
dyslexia
 
  5  
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 01:50 pm
@FreeDuck,
yeah, I would never put okie on ignore, his entertainment value is too rich. I'm still chuckling over his description of the Taliban as being socialistic.
JPB
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 01:56 pm
I quite honestly don't care if Obama went to Denmark, or if his presence there did or didn't have an impact on the decision by the IOC to choose Rio. I wish the Brazilians well and hope they have a spectacular OG.

There is something that Obama has done that's troubling me more and more. First, he chose Timothy Geithner to head up the Treasury and then he re-appointed Barnanke to the Fed. The more I see what's happening in the economy, and the more I watch the smoke-and-mirrors of this supposed recovery, the more disappointed in both decisions I become.
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 02:02 pm
@dyslexia,
You might try disputing the points okie raises instead of going into the usual fall-back position of blurting out sarcastic simplicities.

And I'm not even claiming that his perceptions are valid. It is obvious he feels that way.

And even if they are valid it might well be due to Mr Obama having a certain attitude to America's real position in this global economy which okie objects to.

okie
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 03:06 pm
@JPB,
It has troubled me as well, and how can anyone appoint a tax evader as head of the treasury and the IRS? It is nothing less than bizarre. This shows an arrogance and egotism on both of their parts that is mind boggling. It is no wonder that they don't know what they are doing. I have even wondered if Obama is intentionally promoting policies to tank the economy, on purpose. How else can one explain the idiocy of some of it? For example, how do you spend yourself into prosperity? Answer is you don't.
JPB
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 03:13 pm
@okie,
Geithner's history at Goldman-Sachs has me much more concerned than his failure to properly file his taxes but, yes, that was strange as well. No, I don't think anyone is trying to intentionally tank the economy. It's already tanked -- they don't have to do anything further to tank it. I'm thinking that they simply can't bring themselves to explain just how bad it is, particularly when the market is showing a historic jump and foretelling a miraculous recovery. I don't much believe in miracles. I do think they are capable of manipulations and smoke and mirrors, especially if they think it's for our own good.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 03:17 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

It has troubled me as well, and how can anyone appoint a tax evader as head of the treasury and the IRS? It is nothing less than bizarre. This shows an arrogance and egotism on both of their parts that is mind boggling. It is no wonder that they don't know what they are doing. I have even wondered if Obama is intentionally promoting policies to tank the economy, on purpose. How else can one explain the idiocy of some of it? For example, how do you spend yourself into prosperity? Answer is you don't.


How can you be against Geithner and Summers? They have the exact same philosophy that you do: that Big Business is the engine of American prosperity, that Big Finance is the only route to future earnings for America, and that the current system must be protected at all costs from Socialist Influences. You ought to be absolutely buddy-buddy with them, because they are pursuing the same course you would be if you were in their position.

Cycloptichorn
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 03:19 pm
@JPB,
You know JPB, this post contains a criticism of Obama's policy in it. I'm going to have to ask for your membership card back. It's important to us (or as many call us, "them") that we hold the front line tight and never question Obama or his policies. This kind of jargon can only serve to hurt us in advancing our ultra-Marxis and mega-fascist agenda of building our utopia of socialist and most importantly godless orgy on the already breaking backs of wholesome Americans.

This statement was minor, but a transgression still. so you know the cost of your error, the boys that keep our books said that your statement of criticism may result in us having to push back making Christmas illegal until second term.

I mean, it's not like Foxfyre, okie, or ican711nm are going to factor in this very obvious criticism the next time they mindlessly claim that Obama supporters agree with EVERYTHING he does.

Come back to the fold.

T
K
O
 

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