maporsche
 
  1  
Fri 2 Oct, 2009 11:33 am
@joefromchicago,
Who's moving to Chicago in 3 months. Probably near Wrigleyville.
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Fri 2 Oct, 2009 12:12 pm
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:

Can we just kill the Obama-Chicago-Olympics discussion now? I fear if we don't it will be a 5 page ramble if we don't kill it early.

It seems like nobody here is suprized at the spin, nor would have been surprised by the spin in any outcome. Doesn't sound like there is anything to be discussed.

T
K
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Why are you concerned ? We have already seen over 1400 pages of spin and rambling on this thread. Have the past few pages been materially worse than those that preceeded them? It seems to me this has been a refreshing break from the bombast and conflicting propaganda to which you evidently want to return.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Fri 2 Oct, 2009 12:13 pm
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:

Can we just kill the Obama-Chicago-Olympics discussion now? I fear if we don't it will be a 5 page ramble if we don't kill it early.

It seems like nobody here is suprized at the spin, nor would have been surprised by the spin in any outcome. Doesn't sound like there is anything to be discussed.

T
K
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Doesn't work that way Diest.

Maybe you should leave this thread for a couple of days and come back after all of the "drama queens" are finished brutally savaging poor Barrack.

After all, it's not his fault Chicago's bid was rejected...he inherited it.

The IOC are an odd bunch and although it's possible that they rejected Chicago just to show the young whippersnapper they're not besotted with him, I doubt that is the case.

So I think its fair to say he didn't lose Chicago their bid, but it's certainly the case that neither he nor our international star of a First Lady won it for them.

While his presidency is shaping up to be a Carter styled disaster, it's tough to call this flop a disaster except as it applies to the White House publicity machine.

Expectations were very high, in part because Tony Blair seems to have glad-handed London's prior bid to success, but also largely because the Obama Personality Campaign hasn't pulled back at all since his election.

If you lay claim to an almost mystical power of oratorical influence, you are going to be embarrassed when said power so dramatically fails.

I don't have a huge problem with the US president campaigning before the IOC for the bid of an American city. You have to wonder if Obama would have made the trip on behalf of Dallas or Boise, but let's be charitable and say he would have. Not that big of a deal to spend a day or two promoting US sports venues., but has already been suggested, if Chicago won, we would be reading cover stories in Newsweek and People on how Michelle charmed the pants off the old farts in the IOC and how Barrack moved some of them to tears.

There was some talk that Obama was assured the bid was in the bag before he decided to fly to Copenhagen and pitch the Windy City, but that doesn't seem likely now, and if it was true, someone on his team will soon be headless.

But its puzzling why Obama, who clearly needs some sort of PR victory, would have risked the embarrassment of a failed bid if he didn't have a strong sense that his efforts would pay off. That confidence may have flowed from faulty intelligence, but it may also have flowed from his supreme egoism.

In any case, the fact that Chicago was the first city to get knocked off only intensifies the embarrassment. The predictions I noted before today were split evenly between Chicago winning, and coming in second to Rio.

Well, Rio won but Madrid came in second and Chi-town couldn't beat Tokyo, a city that already hosted the games in 1964.

No matter how you look at it Obama has to be embarrassed, and unless you stick your head in a hole in the ground for the next few days, you are going to be reminded of that embarrassment whether on A2K, your local newspaper, SNL, or the Sunday news shows.

As for A2K, no we can't agree to "kill" commentary of Obama's flop, and, frankly, the fact that you suggest the same is part of the creepy, Obama hero worship that disturbs a lot of us.

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maporsche
 
  1  
Fri 2 Oct, 2009 12:19 pm
I just going to come out and say what I know everyone is thinking. Eoe, I have your back on this one.

If Obama were WHITE Chicago would be hosting the Olympics in 2016.

There, I said it.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Fri 2 Oct, 2009 12:30 pm
@maporsche,
But of course!

Who knew the insidious poison of American racism had contaminated a body of largely European fat cats?

Thank the Lord, that the IOC delegates will not be representing Iran in the upcoming talks. At least we can take comfort in the fact that the Iranians are not only too rational to every use a nuke, they are way to rational to be racists. Obama's magic tongue will have them!

BTW - I forgot that Putin, in addition to Blair, was successful in lobbying the IOC on behalf of one of his cities. Putin? That dour, rodent faced slav? How could he have done what Obama could not?

What color is Putin's skin? Almost translucent in its whiteness.

I rest my case.
slkshock7
 
  0  
Fri 2 Oct, 2009 01:55 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
That's right...the IOC is obviously racist...that's why they didn't honor our black president by selecting chicago and instead gave it to that bastion of whiteness, Rio De Janiero....
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FreeDuck
 
  2  
Fri 2 Oct, 2009 01:57 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Obama's magic tongue will have them!


There's some sig line potential in that one.
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FreeDuck
 
  5  
Fri 2 Oct, 2009 02:23 pm
This could have gone in a number of different threads, but here seems as good a place as any.
Quote:
Count me as one conservative who is disappointed that President Obama's hometown will not be hosting the 2012 Olympic Games.

Chicago is a beautiful city that would have made a perfect backdrop for the Olympics. The President was right to fly to Copenhagen to try to land the games, not for the sake of his city, but for the good of his country. The fact President Obama failed makes me respect him more for taking the chance, and the fact many right-wing figures opposed the President's mission shows just how narrow-minded partisanship makes us all.

For the better part of 20 years, a bitterness has infected our politics that has weakened our country.

We Republicans spent eight years trying to delegitimize Bill Clinton.

Democrats spent the next eight years doing the same to George W. Bush.

Now that a Democrat is in the Oval Office again, it is the GOP who is trying to delegitimize a sitting president.

When I try to talk to Republicans about the need to break this cycle of viciousness, some cite the chapter and verse of every hateful left wing attack against George W. Bush.

Whenever I attempt to have a conversation with some Democrats about the need for us respect our president-- whether he be an Obama or a Bush-- I am told that Bush deserved whatever he got because he was a lying war criminal who hated the Constitution and loved torturing
people.

Fortunately, there are a growing number of Americans who believe we cannot continue going on this way.

You and I may disagree on how the CIA handled terror suspects. But that does not mean that you are soft on terrorism anymore than it means that I hate the Constitution.

You and I may have a different approach to Afghanistan. But just because you want to stay there another five years doesn't mean you are an imperialist. And if I believe a decade in that forsaken land is more than enough, that doesn't mean I'm soft on al Qaeda or the Taliban.

It just means that we view the world differently.

That creative tension--that intense give and take--has been what has kept America strong since Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton fought like hell in George Washington's White House.

Hamilton wanted a strong centralized government while Jefferson believed that the government that governed least governed best.

Both men were frustrated by the checks and balances that stood in the way of their agendas, but that debate shaped America for years to come.

But something has gone terribly wrong.

Today on Morning Joe, NBC News Legend Tom Brokaw remarked to Pat Buchanan about how the level of partisanship is even more intense today than during the depths of the Watergate crisis. Brokaw was commenting on Congressman Grayson's comments, but he could have easily
been talking about Joe Wilson or death panels or the bizarre claim that the President "hates all white people."

Some of the rhetoric is dangerous. But what we saw from some conservative corners regarding the President's failed Olympics bid was just plain stupid.

I'm happy for Rio and think it is past time that South America got a chance to host the Olympic Games. But put me down as one conservative who is glad my president flew across the ocean to try to bring the 2016 Games to America.

Nice try, President Obama. And thanks for taking time away from your young girls for the sake of your hometown and your country, Michelle. I know that's never an easy thing to do.


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-scarborough/thank-you-mr-president_b_308022.html
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realjohnboy
 
  2  
Sat 3 Oct, 2009 10:51 am
Hi! I am being shown how to move stuff from YouTube etc to A2K threads.
I thought yall might get a kick out of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rj_zCsOkJg

Yall are in trouble now!
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Diest TKO
 
  3  
Sat 3 Oct, 2009 11:48 am
"Hitler got the Olympics in Berlin. Obama didn't get the Olympics in Chicago. Does this mean Obama is no longer Hitler?"

Saw this on reddit.com

Too funny.
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hawkeye10
 
  -3  
Sat 3 Oct, 2009 11:55 am
@Diest TKO,
not so much.....it does though play into the growing chorus singing "we need a president Mr Obama, please begin with the duties post haste".
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kickycan
 
  5  
Sat 3 Oct, 2009 12:00 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

I just going to come out and say what I know everyone is thinking. Eoe, I have your back on this one.

If Obama were WHITE Chicago would be hosting the Olympics in 2016.

There, I said it.


What a douche bag you can be sometimes.
maporsche
 
  1  
Sat 3 Oct, 2009 07:13 pm
@kickycan,
I would think that you, of all people, wouldn't have a problem with that.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 4 Oct, 2009 03:41 am
@maporsche,
kicky is good at identifying bs when he reads it, and responds accordingly.
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Francis
 
  1  
Sun 4 Oct, 2009 04:58 am
MaPorsche wrote:
If Obama were WHITE Chicago would be hosting the Olympics in 2016.


One has to be seriously deluded to utter such insane statements..
revel
 
  1  
Sun 4 Oct, 2009 06:39 am
Its disappointing that we didn't get the bid for the Olympic, if we did, I admit some of those like myself would have crowed about it, not surprised some of those like George and Finn are responding in the usual way when the US failed to win the bid.

Funny how love for country went out the window from some of those on the right. I Guess Chicago is not considered America anymore. I would hate to think I would have reacted the same had Bush been in the same position and some city in Texas would have been the city chosen to be in the final bidding.
mysteryman
 
  1  
Sun 4 Oct, 2009 07:05 am
Well, it didnt take long.
It seems that Chicago politicians are blaming Bush for Chicago not getting the olympics.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/olympics/1804170,CST-NWS-olyresent03.article

Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Sun 4 Oct, 2009 07:33 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Well, it didnt take long.
It seems that Chicago politicians are blaming Bush for Chicago not getting the olympics.


Chicago Sun-Times wrote:
Some Chicago officials say anti-American resentment likely played a role in Chicago's Olympic bid dying in the first round Friday.
... the resentment against America that President Bush and others built up ...

I'm not a native US-English speaking person, but I'd thought that they are blaming the "resentments".
But maybe that's just another colloquial name for Bush?
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maporsche
 
  1  
Sun 4 Oct, 2009 08:34 am
I was just listening to the Stephanie Miller show which plays on Air America (or whatever it's called now) on XM Radio. It was a replay from her Friday morning show. She had someone involved with the USOC on the air talking about how Obama visiting personally with the IOC members was probably enough to push Chicago over the edge. They went on for probably 10 minutes about how the world sees the US differently now with Obama at the helm and that the significance of the first US President lobbying for an American city would be enough to push Chicago over Rio.

I wonder what she'll say this week about it.
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Advocate
 
  2  
Sun 4 Oct, 2009 08:50 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Well, it didnt take long.
It seems that Chicago politicians are blaming Bush for Chicago not getting the olympics.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/olympics/1804170,CST-NWS-olyresent03.article




It certainly didn't take long for the right to blame Obama for the failure. Obama traveled to Denmark because other competing heads of state went there. Also, it is quite likely that the selectors wished to have, for the first time, a South American city put on the games. This seems fair and appropriate. It is ridiculous, I think, to blame Obama or Chicago for not winning.
 

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