Obama '08?

This is interesting.
The Obama admin wants to extend parts of the patriot act, including the right to wiretap WITHOUT a warrant.
I thought the dems opposed that.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_patriot_act

Quote:

WASHINGTON " The Obama administration supports extending three key provisions of the Patriot Act that are due to expire at the end of the year, the Justice Department told Congress in a letter made public Tuesday.

Lawmakers and civil rights groups had been pressing the Democratic administration to say whether it wants to preserve the post-Sept. 11 law's authority to access business records, as well as monitor so-called "lone wolf" terrorists and conduct roving wiretaps.

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Quote:

From 2004 to 2007, the business records provision was used 220 times, officials said. Most often, the business records were requested in combination with requests for phone records.

The lone wolf provision was created to conduct surveillance on suspects with no known link to foreign governments or terrorist groups. It has never been used, but the administration says it should still be available for future investigations.

The roving wiretaps provision was designed to allow investigators to quickly monitor the communications of a suspects who change their cell phone or communication device, without investigators having to go back to court for a new court authorization. That provision has been used an average of 22 times a year, officials said.

Its funny.
These are some of the same provisions that the left so adamantly opposed when Bush was President.
Where is that opposition now?

And using the "lone wolf" provision, whats to stop the govt from labeling anyone a terrorism suspect, especially someone that opposes the admin?

Fox new is in a tizzy because they were slighted on Sunday.

Having said it, the president said the republicans have misrepresented parts of the proposals, which have proven to be true.

The fact is Obama has been misrepresenting this whole thing from the very start, beginning with talking about "his plan." He has no plan as far as I can tell, that anyone can read or identify, so it is completely bogus to talk about "his plan." That is only a start. Wilson was correct in application, although Obama could say technically it does not provide for treating illegals, there was no practical way written into the legislation to identify illegals efficiently, thus what we have now would be continued. Obama is slick at parsing words, but people know what he is really advocating. Another one of his - I will call it a lie - is he says there will be no bureaucrat between you and your doctor, that is utter and complete nonsense and everyone knows it. I wonder if the man is delusional or thinks we are all stupid, when I listen to him talk.

I think the stuff about morale at the CIA is self-serving crap. People who can torture others to death are hardly delicate flowers. We are a nation of laws, not of people. If they broke the law, they should be tried.

Criminy, an insurance company employee is not a bureacrat. Where do you get your ideas from?

Criminy, an insurance company employee is not a bureacrat. Where do you get your ideas from?

You guys love to throw around the word,"torture." I think sensible people can be offended when you use the term so lightly. Torture carries with it a very large burden or threshold of definition, something described as true torture needs to really be torture in the strictest sense, and some of the stuff like playing loud music and so forth, that is not torture in my opinion. I predict that some of the politically self serving games used to demonize Bush is not going to stand up under the microscope of history. I won'd deny that we can debate the fact of whether certain things were bordering on torture, we can have a mature debate about that, but simply categorizing everything that was done as torture, that I think is insulting, and it also diminishes the perhaps dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of lives that were saved by what are better known as "enhanced interrogation techniques." Look, I agree we should constantly monitor and possibly reform our techniques to fit what we think is proper, but prosecuting people that helped save our lives after being given sound legal advice about what was done, that is not the way to be presidential, it is a really bad way to go.

I work in a business, and I am not a bureaucrat, okay, there is a difference, and you should know it.

You guys love to throw around the word,"torture." I think sensible people can be offended when you use the term so lightly. Torture carries with it a very large burden or threshold of definition, something described as true torture needs to really be torture in the strictest sense, and some of the stuff like playing loud music and so forth, that is not torture in my opinion.

Look, I agree we should constantly monitor and possibly reform our techniques to fit what we think is proper, but prosecuting people that helped save our lives after being given sound legal advice about what was done, that is not the way to be presidential, it is a really bad way to go.

Free Duck, if you go to the hardware store and buy something after getting help from a salesman, and then you ask him later how to use it, such as maybe you bought a tool that you were using, is the hardware salesman a bureaucrat? Is the guy you hire to mow your lawn, is he a bureaucrat? If anything, this issue displays the mindset of liberals, it shows the utter lack of understanding of how business works, vs the government. We are a captive audience of the government, we have no choice but to deal with what are known as "bureaucrats." Company people have to look out for us, or we can go to another company, thus they behave differently than a bureaucrat, they are not a monopoly, and thus they are not bureaucrats, they are there to look out after our interests as well as theres. A bureaucrat really does not care about us, or he doesn't have to if he doesn't feel like it, and often or mostly he doesn't feel like it, it is only a 9 to 5 job, he could not care less.

I think it is insulting to call a business person a bureaucrat, you guys owe every business employee an apology. Besides if you don't like them, go take your business elsewhere.

3 : a system of administration marked by officialism, red tape, and proliferation

If you think a business does not care about people, then don't buy anything there, dufus. We can't do that with government, we are forced, that is why the constitution tried to insure the government was limited in what it could do. And you guys want to change that, and that is what is so frustrating.