Obama '08?

I dident know we had a government plan. But as long as youve got good insurance screw those who dont. I guess they should have been born rich.

I think the important or salient point here is "did Obama lie?" Did the heckler act inappropriately, yes in my opinion. But was he correct? I am not sure, I think technically he may be wrong and Obama correct, but practically he was correct and Obama lied. Here are the reasons as I understand it. Using House Bill 3200, it does not explicitly include coverage for illegals, but it also provides no mechanism for establishing or identifying illegals or making sure that only legals are covered. Further, Obama and the Democrats have frequently talked about the 45 million or so uncovered, which everybody knows includes illegals, and this number is the group that they want to provide coverage for, so simple logic follows that their plan is to provide coverage for the people included in that number, as a practical result of their legislative plans, which therefore includes illegals.

So I believe it is entirely logical to assume that Obama is lying when one analyzes the practical results of what he talks about. Actually, Obama does not have anything that he has personally written down, and we as yet do not have anything really tangible to read except House Bill 3200, do we?

Conclusion, in my opinion, Obama lied, which is nothing new or unusual.

SEC. 242. AFFORDABLE CREDIT ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUAL.

(a) Definition-

(1) IN GENERAL- For purposes of this division, the term `affordable credit eligible individual' means, subject to subsection (b), an individual who is lawfully present in a State in the United States (other than as a nonimmigrant described in a subparagraph (excluding subparagraphs (K), (T), (U), and (V)) of section 101(a)(15) of the Immigration and Nationality Act)--

(A) who is enrolled under an Exchange-participating health benefits plan and is not enrolled under such plan as an employee (or dependent of an employee) through an employer qualified health benefits plan that meets the requirements of section 312;

(B) with family income below 400 percent of the Federal poverty level for a family of the size involved; and

(C) who is not a Medicaid eligible individual, other than an individual described in section 202(d)(3) or an individual during a transition period under section 202(d)(4)(B)(ii).

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SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

In regard to the question of "who is Obama, add to the equation Van Jones, the communist radical. The list of radicals seems to be growing, and Obama never rejects these people, he only conveniently distances himself from them in a superficial way whenever he needs to, as they are not viewed as beneficial to his candidacy or now his presidency. But it is increasingly obvious that the Jeremiah Wrights, the Bill Ayers, the Saul Alinskys, the Frank Davis, and the many other radicals such as Van Jones are telling us who Obama is. After all, he never told us himself, we were left to guess at the answer. More and more people are beginning to add 2 and 2 and get 4, and 4 isn't pretty. One thing for sure, Obama is not a uniter, he is a divider, "he" is becoming the number one issue of this administration.

I have also read HR3200, and yes the provision you quoted is there.

BUT, there is no clear explanation of how they are going to enforce it.
An illegal immigrant can get a valid SS number, even though it isnt theirs.

And what about illegal immigrants that have children born in the US?
Their kids are citizens, so are we not going to allow the credits to the parent and let the kid suffer?

OR, are the kids going to have to find a way to seperate their health care from their parents?

There are still to many unanswered questions in this bill for me to support it.

I have also read HR3200, and yes the provision you quoted is there.

BUT, there is no clear explanation of how they are going to enforce it.

An illegal immigrant can get a valid SS number, even though it isnt theirs.

And what about illegal immigrants that have children born in the US?
Their kids are citizens, so are we not going to allow the credits to the parent and let the kid suffer?

OR, are the kids going to have to find a way to seperate their health care from their parents?

There are still to many unanswered questions in this bill for me to support it.

How is it enforced now for medicare and medicaid?

Critics say there is no way to enforce the ban on subsidies for undocumented workers, since the Democratic majority in the House turned back a Republican effort to explicitly stiffen citizenship checks. But Medicare and Medicaid already require those enrolled to provide "a substantial number of documents" to show they're U.S. citizens or legal residents, said Henrie Treadwell, a professor of community and preventive medicine at Atlanta's Morehouse University medical school.

People are trying to defeat something that's good for our country; they are the ignorant and ill-informed.

Sort of like when Bush tried to PARTIALLY privatize SS.
His opponents went nuts and came up with some of the stupidest reasons and doom and gloom scenarios.
The same thing is happening now.

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People are trying to defeat something that's good for our country; they are the ignorant and ill-informed.

Sort of like when Bush tried to PARTIALLY privatize SS.
His opponents went nuts and came up with some of the stupidest reasons and doom and gloom scenarios.
The same thing is happening now.