Obama '08?

Actually, I did read the reports, and know that Gates stepped out on his porch. That was a mistake on his part. Yet still, it did not provide the cop with a compelling reason to arrest Gates; he did so b/c he could, not b/c there was an actual disturbance going on. Gates yelling at the cops is not a public disturbance, I highly doubt that any other citizen was affected by it in the slightest.

The cop exercised his power incorrectly, likely b/c he is an asshole, like many cops.

What bullshit. The cop created the nuisance. Within one's own home, you can say whatever you like at whatever volume you wish. The second Gates stepped out on the porch, he was arrested - he created no disturbance outside the house.

Whether Gates was White, Black, or Green, he has the right to berate a cop who has been asked to leave his house and is not complying, without a doubt. That's not a disturbance, that is a citizen exercising their right to property. It isn't about 'allowing' yourself to be berated; it's about a cop complying with the law and not using petty excuses to throw someone in jail.

You say that you don't care that Gates was black, but yaknow what? I don't really believe that. I highly doubt you bunch would be lining up to defend a black cop who was accused of the same thing by a white professor. Nope. Reverse-racism, and the need to see Whites as some sort of oppressed group who can't stand up to others due to charges of 'racism,' is a fundamental plank of the Conservative mindset.

You show that when you state,

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Being white means you allow yourself to be berated by some professor with a chip on his shoulder?

Cycloptichorn

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You both strike me as old men. Old. It is no wonder you are Conservative when you are clearly unable to understand the way the world has changed over the last several decades. I have nothing but pity for either of you, on this issue; you don't seem to know a damn thing about how the cops really operate in this country.

I do not know about Okie, but I can rely on many many years of experience and have seen this country change in ways I never imagined. Some good, some bad.

Your youthful ignorance and obvious bias against authority is duly noted.

Don't pity me, you fool.

What you need are real life lessons and a good spanking.

Maybe you should travel with the Police a few evenings or join the military and see what reality really is. Maybe you should go to the real back woods where I grew up where even an outhouse was a rarity, where learning how to hunt and fish was the only way of getting fresh food to eat, where farming was the only way to get fresh veggies.

You sound like just another sissy boy who blames society for your own problems.

You sound like Mr. Gates who blames everyone but himself for igniting a situation that did not have to occur. All Mr. Gates had to do was the proper thing, say "HERE IS MY ID, THANK YOU SIR FOR YOUR CONCERN".

He decided to play the race card, just like you.

Shame on you.

Well said, oh one-eyed one. How's married life?

Obviously the cop did have a compelling reason to arrest Gates and that should be obvious by the fact that he arrested him.

Oh, maybe you were there to witness this. Otherwise how could you possiby say **** like this?

I couldn't care less about what you believe. You're a liberal, so what else could we expect from you. Intellectual honesty? As if that were actually possible. All conservatives are closeted racist homosexuals who hide behind homophobic/racist rants who do nothing but hurt America according to you and your ilk so why should we care what you believe?

Now THAT , was a real good spanking!!!

Well, let me begin by saying that it is no surprise whatsoever that you grew up in the backwoods.

The funny thing is, you seem to think that it has given you some unique or better perspective on life than those of us who didn't. Let me assure you, it did not. All it likely did was limit your ability to understand different ways of life and different perspectives than your own.

I took several Criminal Justice courses, more than one of which included nighttime ride-alongs in police cruisers. I've seen people be complete assholes to police and I've seen people assault police officers. I know what they go through. None of that excuses their actions, when they break the law or let their power go to their heads - ever.

I completely understand the meaning of the words 'race card' when you use them. It is based in your fundamental belief that whites are an oppressed group in our society. It is a major plank of your political party, and articulated quite openly every time racial incidents arise - appealing to that sense of injustice that many whites feel, that fear that resides within them, is a powerful tool in the Republican party's arsenal.

In fact, your entire tenure here at A2K has been a rather poor one, in my opinion, and your attempt to shame me is more a badge of honor, than it is some sort of criticism.

I should comment, that maybe if you had grown up in my neighborhood - full of poverty, gang activity, and inter-racial violence - maybe you would understand 'real life' better. It's easy to think that racial problems aren't really problems when you've never had to deal with them.

You think very highly of yourself since you consider yourself the judge of one's posts in this chat room.

You are acting just as Mr. Gates acted. You do not know when to shut up, do you.

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I should comment, that maybe if you had grown up in my neighborhood - full of poverty, gang activity, and inter-racial violence - maybe you would understand 'real life' better. It's easy to think that racial problems aren't really problems when you've never had to deal with them.

When you are in a hole, stop digging.

You have no idea what poverty is, do you?

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You think very highly of yourself since you consider yourself the judge of one's posts in this chat room.....You are acting just as Mr. Gates acted. You do not know when to shut up, do you.

Why should I shut up? ...........

Why should I shut up

I didn't **** in a hole