okie
 
  0  
Tue 21 Jul, 2009 10:04 pm
@dyslexia,
I had to look up "freeper." I guess Free Republic, yes I occasionally see this website when googling for information, but I do not regularly check it, nor do I participate on any forum there, if there are any there.

I used the information, because I see some validity to its claims that Obama is indeed smitten with at least a mild case of narcisissm. As I read somewhere, many politicians possess this, but some have a more potent form of it, and I think Obama may be one of those. For example, he does not seem to be connected to reality, and he sure has grandiose visions of himself and other things he should do. The messianic image he has acquired did not happen by accident, dys.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 21 Jul, 2009 10:09 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn, It's not working; even democrats are weary about the health care plans costs. Without their votes, there isn't going to be any health plan. It's up to Obama to spell out how much it's really going to cost against the savings that he said can be realized from a universal health plan. His failure to communicate is his biggest problem; it's his achilles heel. It's not only about transparency, but his ability to communicate to the American people what to expect from his initiatives. He also failed to communicate when the stimulus plan will begin to work; it's now become a problem, because we don't see the improvement in the creation of jobs. If he had communicated the simple fact that it will begin to show up during this half of the year and into next year, he could have prevented the misunderstandings by most Americans. It's too late now, and his performance rating, although still high relative to other presidents, is suffering needlessly.

It's all about communication. For a smart man, he's becoming a big disappointment in many ways.
dyslexia
 
  3  
Tue 21 Jul, 2009 10:11 pm
@okie,
Okie you know that many years ago foxfyr took the position of never responding to any of my posts, she even tried to talk other members in doing the same. I personally think she made a wise decision although she does relapse now and again. I'm thinking it would be it your best interest to follow her lead.
Foxfyre
 
  0  
Tue 21 Jul, 2009 11:09 pm
@okie,
Okie you should know that Dyslexia is lying through his teeth that I attempted ever to persuade, suggest, or hint that anybody should not respond to his posts. I, in fact, have never tried to dissuade or encourage anybody to not respond to ANYBODY's posts here or anywhere else.

I once seriously tried to be friends with Dys, but I did choose to leave him alone when he made it perfectly clear that he held me in complete contempt and disrespect. I can't do anything about how he feels about me or anybody. I have been told, however, that he has told some others some untrue things about me. There's nothing I can do about that either.
okie
 
  0  
Tue 21 Jul, 2009 11:36 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

Okie you know that many years ago foxfyr took the position of never responding to any of my posts, she even tried to talk other members in doing the same. I personally think she made a wise decision although she does relapse now and again. I'm thinking it would be it your best interest to follow her lead.

Why do you think it was wise not to respond to your posts? Kind of a weird statement I would think. And why would it be in my best interest to follow her lead? Another weird statement it seems. For an opinion forum, if you don't want to share opinions, why are you even here?

See my response to Foxfyre as well.
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okie
 
  0  
Tue 21 Jul, 2009 11:49 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

Okie you should know that Dyslexia is lying through his teeth that I attempted ever to persuade, suggest, or hint that anybody should not respond to his posts. I, in fact, have never tried to dissuade or encourage anybody to not respond to ANYBODY's posts here or anywhere else.

I once seriously tried to be friends with Dys, but I did choose to leave him alone when he made it perfectly clear that he held me in complete contempt and disrespect. I can't do anything about how he feels about me or anybody. I have been told, however, that he has told some others some untrue things about me. There's nothing I can do about that either.

I believe you, Foxfyre. The reason being is that you have established credibility and an online personality that is both genuine and believable, as contrasted with others. Dyslexia has been an enigma to me from the very beginning. He at one point tried to claim he was some sort of a Goldwater admirer, I think. Yet at the present time, he seems to like attacking anyone that displays any conservative traits at all. His opinions are actually pretty short and without much substance, in my opinion. He seems to have an awnry streak.

I would advise you not to succumb to those that belittle you and your opinions. You come across as a pleasant and honest person, and you respect other people enough to go to the trouble to try to explain your opinions in some detail here, with backup evidence and explanation. That is worth alot. If liberals don't like it, just remember they probably won't ever like it, that is their problem, not yours.
okie
 
  1  
Tue 21 Jul, 2009 11:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Finn, It's not working; even democrats are weary about the health care plans costs. Without their votes, there isn't going to be any health plan. It's up to Obama to spell out how much it's really going to cost against the savings that he said can be realized from a universal health plan. His failure to communicate is his biggest problem; it's his achilles heel. It's not only about transparency, but his ability to communicate to the American people what to expect from his initiatives. He also failed to communicate when the stimulus plan will begin to work; it's now become a problem, because we don't see the improvement in the creation of jobs. If he had communicated the simple fact that it will begin to show up during this half of the year and into next year, he could have prevented the misunderstandings by most Americans. It's too late now, and his performance rating, although still high relative to other presidents, is suffering needlessly.

It's all about communication. For a smart man, he's becoming a big disappointment in many ways.

cicerone imposter, I am impressed, but also puzzled. You have supported Obama almost completely, and you deride anyone that criticizes him, and you call us stupid, ignorant, and without a brain, and so forth. Yet, here you are doing the same thing. What is your opinion of your own brain now?

Actually, your post is good for a laugh. You must be very confused right now, which way to go, do you continue down the road with Obama, or do you start digging in your heels? It will be fun to watch.
Foxfyre
 
  1  
Tue 21 Jul, 2009 11:55 pm
@okie,
Thank you Okie, but I long ago accepted that I am extremely irritating to some who disagree with me about much of anything. I wish I wassn't but I have never figured out how to state my convictions without making some people mad. I have never faulted or criticized anybody for disagreeing with me though--I do sometimes object to how they do it. And I'll admit that I'm not always the soul of tact either and I would be irritated by some of the things I say. Smile And I accept that I am unacceptable to some.

I have made friends here though and cherish and value each and every one, including some who are mostly opposite me politically. I would love to be friends with everybody. I count you as a friend and admire you for having the guts to be my friend. Smile
okie
 
  0  
Wed 22 Jul, 2009 12:17 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre, the nature of a forum where we can be somewhat anonymous, it allows us to state our opinions without any sugar coating at all, and it probably causes us to be sarcastic of other differing opinions. Perhaps similar to how mean drivers can be when they get into their cars and have some anonymity. I confess to being sarcastic, but hopefully I can keep the worst in check.

Its easier to be nice to people we agree with of course. Actually there is a difference in the online personality of all of us, including liberals. Some libs seem outright mean, others seem to be reasonable people simply with different opinions for whatever reason. What befuddles me is libs seem to trust government almost completely, except when it involves the military or national defense issues, while conservatives rightly distrust and are skeptical of government, although we accept the necessity and wisdom of national defense as one of the few functions of the federal government that is mandated by the constitution.

One last thought. The amount of time I waste here bugs me, but it is somewhat of an addiction. My wife says it provides an outlet without us having to discuss it all the time. I grew up in a family that loved to sit around the table and discuss politics and many subjects, and it was not uncommon to take an opposite viewpoint simply to be devils advocate. It was a form of recreation. We did not become angry. We talked it all out, then went out and went to work, or whatever we needed to do. My view of politics is that it is not the "end all" issue. I will do what I can do, but it only goes so far, and at the end of the day, the world will be what it is. Our primary job is to take care of our own responsibilities. Politics is interesting, but not all consuming. However, I am one of those that tear up every time the national anthem is sung. I simply do not understand anyone that doesn't like this country.
Foxfyre
 
  1  
Wed 22 Jul, 2009 12:28 am
@okie,
Good point. I rarely discuss politics in any depth anywhere but on a small number of forums like this, even when I am with people who I know are as passionate about sociopolitical matters as I am. There is simply other stuff to do or be involved in or the subject would be inappropriate in the setting at the time.

But there does need to be somewhere to exchange ideas and to get issues out there. So I guess I see this as something almost akin to a ministry. Every past administration has done dumb stuff that has produced unpleasant unintended consequences, but never in my now somewhat lengthy life have I ever been as alarmed at a government that seems hellbent to put forces into effect that will have huge consequences that could likely be essentially irreversible.

I don't think responsible people can ignore that.

So we have opportunity to voice our opinions here. And I think we must.
okie
 
  0  
Wed 22 Jul, 2009 01:05 am
@Foxfyre,
But honestly, have you ever been witness to one single case of a poster saying, hey, I changed my mind, you convinced me? I haven't so far, although I think there are hints that some people are wavering about their opinions more than in the past. Perhaps not even evidenced by what they say, but by what they quit saying or don't say.
Advocate
 
  3  
Wed 22 Jul, 2009 08:30 am
@Foxfyre,
I remember clearly your promising to pay us should be ignore posts from Dys. Since you didn't come through with the big money promised, I am not sure that I can continue to ignore him.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 22 Jul, 2009 08:33 am
@okie,
okie, Here you go again making statements that is not backed up from my postings concerning Obama. Where did you learn how to read? Maybe it's a comprehension issue, but you're wrong again!
Foxfyre
 
  1  
Wed 22 Jul, 2009 08:55 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

But honestly, have you ever been witness to one single case of a poster saying, hey, I changed my mind, you convinced me? I haven't so far, although I think there are hints that some people are wavering about their opinions more than in the past. Perhaps not even evidenced by what they say, but by what they quit saying or don't say.


Yes I have seen that happen. I have had my mind changed by members who make a more convincing case for something than I was able to make and I have seen posts where members have come to see something differently than they did. It doesn't happen often on sociopolitical threads because so few members are able to focus on a topic and actually debate it here. Too many are into one upmanship or trying to demean those who hold different views. It's a form of recreation to them I guess. I don't think that kind of stuff ever changes any minds though.
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Wed 22 Jul, 2009 08:56 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

I remember clearly your promising to pay us should be ignore posts from Dys. Since you didn't come through with the big money promised, I am not sure that I can continue to ignore him.


Laughing

Sorry. I ran out of money paying him not to talk to me. Smile
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parados
 
  2  
Wed 22 Jul, 2009 09:06 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, Here you go again making statements that is not backed up from my postings concerning Obama. Where did you learn how to read? Maybe it's a comprehension issue, but you're wrong again!



I am beginning to suspect Foxfyre and CI are the same person. Twisted Evil
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Wed 22 Jul, 2009 09:22 am
@parados,
parados wrote:




I am beginning to suspect Foxfyre and CI are the same person.



Well, Fox is female...
Foxfyre
 
  -2  
Wed 22 Jul, 2009 09:45 am
@H2O MAN,
Are you sure CI isn't?
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Wed 22 Jul, 2009 09:48 am
@Foxfyre,
We all know you are female and a bitch.

That you still haven't figured out my gender shows how your perceptions about almost everything else is usually wrong.
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