parados
 
  3  
Wed 1 Jul, 2009 06:52 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

realjohnboy wrote:


1) Is Gov Sanford a "moral hypocrite?"
2) Should he resign?
3) Will he resign?



1) I guess he has the morals of Bill Clinton.
2) That's up to the people of South Carolina.
3) Again, it's up to South Carolinian's and the Gov.


1. I guess since he attacked Clinton's morals, it would make him a moral hypocrite.
2.
Quote:
“I think it would be much better for the country and for him personally (to resign). I come from the business side. If you had a chairman or president in the business world facing these allegations, he’d be gone.” [Sanford on Clinton, The Post and Courier, 9/12/98]

Quote:
“The issue of lying is probably the biggest harm, if you will, to the system of Democratic government, representatives government, because it undermines trust. And if you undermine trust in our system, you undermine everything.” [Sanford on Clinton, CNN, 2/16/99]

It seems the Sanford of 1998 would demand he resign.
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H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Wed 1 Jul, 2009 07:09 am



Parasite, how do you function day-to-day if you are having trouble with a simple word like that?
parados
 
  -1  
Wed 1 Jul, 2009 07:21 am
@H2O MAN,
Noting that it is a big word for a little squirt like you doesn't imply I am having "trouble". I think it insinuates you normally would not know such a word.

Did someone get the "word of the day" calender for their last birthday, squirt?
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au1929
 
  2  
Wed 1 Jul, 2009 08:02 am
I can honesrtly say that not once in the 60 years of voting have I ever voted for a saint. All I hope for is that the electee is up to the task of performing the duties of the office to which he has been elected. His sexual activities in my opinion is none of my business.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 1 Jul, 2009 09:15 am
@au1929,
amen!
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au1929
 
  0  
Wed 1 Jul, 2009 09:39 am
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realjohnboy
 
  1  
Wed 1 Jul, 2009 01:40 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:


Good afternoon. Every couple of weeks since the 1st of March, I have been posting polling results on President Obama's approval ratings as gathered by the polltaker Rasmussen. Here is the latest update:
The 1st set of numbers is the % of respondents who STRONGLY APPROVE of Mr Obama's performance vs the % who STRONGLY DISAPPROVE. The 2nd number is the index obtained by subtracting the DISAPPROVE from the APPROVE. The 3rd set is the % of folks who APPROVE vs DISAPPROVE, dropping the word "STRONGLY."

3/1/09: (38%-30%) = +8 (58%-40%)
3/15/09: (37%-31%) = +6 (56%-43%)
4/1/09: (37%-29%) = +5 (56%-44%)
4/14/09: (35%-32%) = +3 (55%-44%)
5/2/09: (33%-32%) = +1 (54%-45%)
5/16/09: (34%-30%) = +4 (56%-43%)
5/31/09: (36%-26%) = +10 (58%-41%)
6/16/09: (36%-32%) = +4 (56%-43% )
7/1/09: (32%-33%) = -1 (50%-45%)

President Obama's Approval Index briefly went negative on 6/21 and 6/22 and then bounced back to as much as +3 before going minus again earlier this week.
You can see that those who disapprove or strongly disapprove is holding relatively steady. It is slippage in the approve and strongly approve that is hurting him. Something like 80% of Americans feel that the economy is the big issue for them and 39% now blame Mr Obama rather than former President Bush.
By a margin of 50% to 45%, people favor some form (undefined in the poll) of health care reform. I might be reading too much into Rasmussen's calling it the Obama/Democratic Congress health care reform effort.
Finally, I note that yesterday the gay rights activists started calling Mr Obama to task for not moving on any of the issues that concern them as a group. I wonder if some of them have moved out of the Strongly Approve camp.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 1 Jul, 2009 01:57 pm
@realjohnboy,
It's probably true that gays and lesbians are losing faith with Obama, but I think the bigger problem is that people want to see results of the stimulus plan immediately and not wait months or years. It seems most Americans fail to understand several facts about this economic malaise; a) it is world-wide, b) it started in 2007 - over 18 months ago, c) actual job loss has decreased from the past six months, and d) no stimulus plan is going to work into our economy in just a few months or immediately. Some of the stimulus money isn't even spent, and even with money already given to states, counties and cities, they are just now preparing/planning to spend that money.
rabel22
 
  1  
Wed 1 Jul, 2009 10:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I am not blaming Obama for the economy. After all it will take more than a year to repair the damage Bush did in 8 years. But what has happened to tax increases on the rich, single payer health insurance, removal of our troops from Iraq, and closeing the illegal prisons and doing away with torture? These were all things he promised and has so far reniged on. Just another lieing politician no different than the republican ones. I would still vote for him against any other republican they could run but he has shown feet of clay and he will have one hell of a time getting my vote again if he continues to bow to big business like the republicans. The democrats pose as the party of the people. What a load of crap!
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 1 Jul, 2009 11:00 pm
@rabel22,
I believe it's healthy to disagree with our political leaders, and to tell them where we differ. I've written to Obama when I learned about his "95% of workers and their families will get a tax cut." An outright lie!
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Wed 1 Jul, 2009 11:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I believe it's healthy to disagree with our political leaders, and to tell them where we differ. I've written to Obama when I learned about his "95% of workers and their families will get a tax cut." An outright lie!


more alarming is that the media does not call obama on it, it is shades of the run-up to the iraq war all over again where the fourth estate does not function as we need it to. They have become slaves to the desires of the audience, to selling the news product, and the American people don't want to think about the possibility that Obama is NOT. GOOD. ENOUGH.

It is the foreign press that is currently willing to use the Obama record to dispute the spin and lies that come out of the White House
Advocate
 
  1  
Wed 1 Jul, 2009 11:55 pm
@rabel22,
I think you have to be a little bit more patient. It has only been six months, and he is treading carefully. I would like to see more action on getting out of Iraq. We have apparently pulled back in Iraq about 15 miles.
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Advocate
 
  1  
Wed 1 Jul, 2009 11:56 pm
@hawkeye10,
I bet you heard about it in the media. I have.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Thu 2 Jul, 2009 12:08 am
@Advocate,
little bits here and there, and some op-ed writers are on it. Otherwise no, I don't see the hard hitting investigative journalism that documents the lies and deception coming from team Obama. I am only beginning to see reporting on how bad 2011 and beyond look from a public sector budget standpoint. I don't think that the American people have a clue how bad this recession is shaping up to be , and that it is now clear that the Bush/Obama method of bailouts and back room deals can't stop this thing.
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 2 Jul, 2009 05:26 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Bush/Obama method

The day's contemporary talking point (following a GOP briefing memorandum - though Gingrich tried this one three months ago). It will be interesting to see how far the GOP is willing to go in the direction of trashing Bush's presidency in order to try and squeeze out votes through identification of Obama (trash economics) with Bush (trash economics). It's something of a marketing problem (Lexus. Just as bad as our Chevy!)
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revel
 
  1  
Thu 2 Jul, 2009 07:55 am
Your probably right about the bail out and back room deals (which btw for anyone out there did begin with bush as has been pointed out above) won't stop the recession. I think the proof is already in the pudding.



U.S. economy shed a larger-than-expected 467,000 jobs in June

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revel
 
  1  
Thu 2 Jul, 2009 08:12 am
On the other hand the health care plan seems improved and in this economic climate I think a public health care plan would be a necessity rather than a luxury and in the long run improve the economy because people would have a little more in their pockets to spread around in the economic structure rather than towards health insurance or doctors and hospitals.

Quote:
Democrats on a key Senate Committee outlined a revised and far less costly health care plan Wednesday night that includes a government-run insurance option and an annual fee on employers who do not offer coverage to their workers.

The plan carries a 10-year price tag of slightly over $600 billion, and would lead toward an estimated 97 percent of all Americans having coverage, according to the Congressional Budget Office, Sens. Edward M. Kennedy and Chris Dodd said in a letter to other members of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. The AP obtained a copy.

By contrast, an earlier, incomplete proposal carried a price tag of roughly $1 trillion and would have left millions uninsured, CBO analysts said in mid-June.

The letter indicated the cost and coverage improvements resulted from two changes. The first calls for a government-run health insurance option to compete with private coverage plans, an option that has drawn intense opposition from Republicans.

"We must not settle for legislation that merely gestures at reform," the two Democrats wrote. "We must deliver on the promise of true change."

Additionally, the revised proposal calls for a $750 annual fee on employers for each full-time worker not offered coverage through their job. The fee would be set at $375 for part-time workers. Companies with fewer than 25 employees would be exempt. The fee was forecast to generate $52 billion over 10 years, money the government would use to help provide subsidies to those who cannot afford insurance.

The same provision is also estimated to greatly reduce the number of workers whose employers would drop coverage, thus addressing a major concern noted by CBO when it reviewed the earlier proposals.

Kennedy, D-Mass., and Dodd, D-Conn., circulated their letter a few days before lawmakers return from their July 4 vacation, with the Health Committee one of several panels expected to take action on health care legislation that President Barack Obama has placed atop his domestic agenda.


source

The AMA president: Group is now open to government-funded insurance where before they oppossed it.

Quote:
(CNN) " The new president of the American Medical Association, which represents the interests of the nation’s doctors, said Wednesday the group is open to a government-funded health insurance option for people without coverage.

Dr. J. James Rohack told CNN that the AMA supports an “American model” that includes both “a private system and a public system, working together.”

In May, the AMA told a Senate committee it did not support a government-sponsored public health insurance option.

“The AMA does not believe that creating a public health insurance option … is the best way to expand health insurance coverage and lower costs across the health care system,” the organization wrote, explaining that a public insurance plan could lead to “an explosion of costs that would need to be absorbed by taxpayers.”

Rohack, who recently became AMA president, suggested Wednesday that the Federal Employee Health Benefit Program available to Congress members and other federal employees could be expanded as a public option. That would avoid having to create a new program from scratch, he said.

“If it’s good enough for Congress, why shouldn’t it be good enough for individuals who don’t have health insurance provided by their employers?” Rohack said.

He said AMA opposed expanding Medicare coverage for senior citizens into a broader general public plan, noting that the plan is “going broke” and fails to cover the costs of participating doctors.

His comments come as President Barack Obama increases pressure on Congress to push through a comprehensive bill to reform the nation’s ailing health care system this year.

Obama told a town hall meeting on health care Wednesday that the rising costs of health care threatened the economy and were unsustainable. He also noted that health-related industries including drug companies were now acknowledging the need for reform.

Rohack called 2009 “the year we need to have affordable health insurance coverage for all Americans.”


source
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Thu 2 Jul, 2009 09:54 am



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rabel22
 
  0  
Thu 2 Jul, 2009 10:59 am
@H2O MAN,
HONK!!!!
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Thu 2 Jul, 2009 11:04 am



Unemployment is at 9.50% and rising.

Obama has delivered change you can hardly live on.
 

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