okie
 
  0  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 03:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
Maybe I should look kindly on ci's admission that Obama is lying to him, but it struck me wrong. Its like somebody just woke up to something that should have been obvious a long time ago, like before the election, before he and a bunch of other people like him voted this guy in. That would have been nice. And ci is complimenting himself on being unbiased. Thats all well and good, but he has been calling people names here continually for anything that he did not agree with. Now, we are supposed to compliment ci for seeing the light? Somehow, I don't feel like doing that, I think it should have happened a long time ago.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 03:20 pm
@okie,
No, okie, I back up why I challenge you. It doesn't seem to sink in no matter how I explain why you are wrong.
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okie
 
  0  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 03:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It's because I calls em the way I sees em; and you are dumb. You continue post drivel that has no reality in them except in your own brain.

Okay, thats great. I will admit I have enjoyed debating you, but I haven't appreciated being called stupid on a continual basis.

Quote:
When you get down to earth like everybody else on a2k, I'll have no need to continue challenging your ignorant posts that arrives at conclusions nobody else agrees with.

See, there you go again, calling people ignorant, you know what, I would like to say all kinds of things, but I have attempted to keep the conversation civil here.

Quote:
You lambast Obama as if you have some crystal ball that nobody else has; how do you know his programs are all failures? How do you know that Obama's presidency is a failure before he has finished his first 100-days in office?

You also arrive at conclusions about economics that even skilled economists do not claim. What's your background in economics? You seem incapable of the simplest concepts about economics, and yet you post drivel as if you have some insight that nobody else has.

Not just me, millions predicted Obama was a bust, live with it ci. If somebody is proposing bad stuff, yes, you can predict failure, you should not have to wait for the result. Going on an all night drunk is not a good idea, I don't have to wait until morning to find out. Maybe some economics experts should understand that much.

Quote:
You are a joke. Quit making stupid comments, and I'll leave you alone.



Are you talking about the statements where I said Obama was lying? You have alot more to wake up to, ci.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 03:38 pm
@okie,
cicerone imposter wrote:
It's because I calls em the way I sees em; and you are dumb. You continue post drivel that has no reality in them except in your own brain.

okie wrote:
Okay, thats great. I will admit I have enjoyed debating you, but I haven't appreciated being called stupid on a continual basis.

I explained why.


ci wrote:
When you get down to earth like everybody else on a2k, I'll have no need to continue challenging your ignorant posts that arrives at conclusions nobody else agrees with.

okie wrote:
See, there you go again, calling people ignorant, you know what, I would like to say all kinds of things, but I have attempted to keep the conversation civil here.

If you have anything to say, say it, but try to keep it rational with some merit to it.



ci wrote:
You lambast Obama as if you have some crystal ball that nobody else has; how do you know his programs are all failures? How do you know that Obama's presidency is a failure before he has finished his first 100-days in office?
You also arrive at conclusions about economics that even skilled economists do not claim. What's your background in economics? You seem incapable of the simplest concepts about economics, and yet you post drivel as if you have some insight that nobody else has.

okie wrote:
Not just me, millions predicted Obama was a bust, live with it ci. If somebody is proposing bad stuff, yes, you can predict failure, you should not have to wait for the result. Going on an all night drunk is not a good idea, I don't have to wait until morning to find out. Maybe some economics experts should understand that much.

But those millions aren't making the same opinions you are on a2k. It doesn't matter to me who I disagree with, but I can't do anything if they are not participants on a2k. Since "millions predicted Obama was a bust," please show me evidence of this?


ci wrote:
You are a joke. Quit making stupid comments, and I'll leave you alone.

okie wrote:
Are you talking about the statements where I said Obama was lying? You have alot more to wake up to, ci.

That's one; when Foxie produced some evidence that Obama's claim about 95% will get a tax cut, I not only wrote Obama about his lie, but I also told him he has lost my trust in him.



okie
 
  0  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 03:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
That's one; when Foxie produced some evidence that Obama's claim about 95% will get a tax cut, I not only wrote Obama about his lie, but I also told him he has lost my trust in him.

To sum it up, we are making progress here. Even if it is just a baby step forward, anything is better than nothing. Congratulations, ci.

Try not to have a relapse, ci.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 03:44 pm
@okie,
I'll try real hard. Twisted Evil Drunk
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 06:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

95% of those workers who pay taxes will see their tax cut.

Obama has included "workers and their families."




Yes, Obama has lied to "workers and their families."
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 07:32 pm
@H2O MAN,
Isn't that what I said? You are a dumb ****!
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 07:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,


Dumb **** cice girl said 95% of those workers who pay taxes will see their tax cut.

That is a lie - 95% of those workers who pay taxes will see their taxes increased!

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hawkeye10
 
  2  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 07:45 pm
Quote:
Recovery's Missing Ingredient: New Jobs

By Michael A. Fletcher
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, June 22, 2009

Despite signs that the recession gripping the nation's economy may be easing, the unemployment rate is projected to continue rising for another year before topping out in double digits, a prospect that threatens to slow growth, increase poverty and further complicate the Obama administration's message of optimism about the economic outlook.

The likelihood of severe unemployment extending into the 2010 midterm elections and beyond poses a significant political hurdle to President Obama and congressional Democrats, who are already under fire for what critics label profligate spending. Continuing high unemployment rates would undercut the fundamental argument behind much of that spending: the promise that it will create new jobs and improve the prospects of working Americans, which Obama has called the ultimate measure of a healthy economy.

"Our hope would be to actually create some jobs this year," Obama said in an interview with The Washington Post in the days before taking office.

Obama has defended his economic approach -- which includes the $787 billion economic stimulus plan and record investments in health care, alternative energy, education and job training -- as necessary to stabilize the shaky economy and point the way to job growth.

So far, the White House has counseled patience even as the political debate surrounding its economic policies grows more urgent. Officials point out that job growth will not come until robust economic expansion takes hold, which they expect will happen as stimulus funding works its way through the economy. Still, the flagging job market is likely to stir calls for further stimulus efforts as polls show voters growing increasingly wary of federal spending in the wake of a costly series of financial- and auto-industry bailouts and amid current efforts to expand health-care coverage to the uninsured, which is estimated to cost at least $1 trillion over the next decade.


With many forecasters projecting unemployment to remain above 10 percent next year and not return to pre-recession levels of roughly 5 percent for years after that, Obama is likely to be confronted with defending the effectiveness of his economic policies as the nation endures its worst employment situation in a generation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/21/AR2009062101859.html?hpid=topnews

NOT. GOOD. ENOUGH.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 08:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
Yeah, it still doesn't look very good, but the job loss numbers are beginning to slow down a bit. I'm not sure how we can translate the slow-down, because job prospects are still pretty dismal for those eager to work - even when they have the training and skills.

I think we need to be realistic, and wait about six more months (after December) to see how this stimulus plan has any leg to stand on!

At least the job loss trend looks promising for now.


H2O MAN
 
  0  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 08:06 pm
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3QqO8EXd-II/SdeMFc_daYI/AAAAAAAAnys/MNH6EjU6Q8g/s400/stuttering+idiot.jpg
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hawkeye10
 
  1  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 08:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I think we need to be realistic, and wait about six more months (after December) to see how this stimulus plan has any leg to stand on!

At least the job loss trend looks promising for now


a job loss of 0 jobs is horrible, if their is no job gain. we need to add 150.000 jobs month to keep unemployment unchanged. We are currently have a real unemployment rate north of 16%, even adding 150.000 month is not enough to avoid political disaster, not to mention mountains of pain for regular Americans. DO you hear anyone predicting 150,000 new jobs a month before the end of next year? I don't.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 08:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye, Nobody on this planet is a miracle worker; this is the worst economic crisis since the great depression. A little bit of realism is called for.
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 08:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

A little bit of realism is called for.


That message should have been broadcast loud and clear before the election.

The hype of hope clouded the realism and look what it got us...
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 08:47 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
The hype of hope clouded the realism and look what it got us...


a page out of the Clinton (the man from Hope) playbook. Don't knock what works, knock those who let it work.
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parados
 
  2  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 09:53 pm
@maporsche,
Except almost 1/4 of the Medicare/SS receipts are going to the general fund.

Income taxes make up only about 50% of the Federal revenues.
The moneys that go to the general fund are equal to about 1/5th of the income taxes collected. Are you arguing that people that pay $100 in income tax should have more say than someone that pays $1000 in FICA tax when $200 of that FICA goes to pay for what income tax is supposed to pay for?
parados
 
  2  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 09:57 pm
@okie,
What do I need to back up? I posted the link that shows income tax levels and the exemptions and deductions. What are you saying? You can't follow the link?

I am pointing out that the claims of "40% don't pay taxes" are not correct since people that don't pay income tax would still pay FICA because that is based on gross income and not taxable income. Yes, some people that pay FICA do get tax credits to offset what they paid in FICA. There is no evidence that 40% of the families in the US get such credits and therefor pay no taxes.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 10:32 pm
@H2O MAN,
waterboy, You lie! Obama have said it's going to get worse before it gets better.

Not only is your memory flawed, but you never offer anything worth while on any topic.

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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 21 Jun, 2009 10:34 pm
@parados,
parados, I know what you are saying, but we are talking about "income taxes" when Obama talks about "95% of workers and their family getting a tax cut."
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