Cycloptichorn
 
  0  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 01:04 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
I might add that, the nature of the response you have received here on A2K is likely indicative that others do not find the quality of your argumentation to be particularly impressive either.


getting an meaningful response at all is an indicator of post quality, and Yankee has gotten you multiple times.....stuff THAT in your pipe and smoke it.


Is this the 'lowest common denominator' theory of posting? One would hope that people would aspire to a higher standard than that - but I can certainly understand why some such as yourself do not.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 01:05 pm
@parados,
Yankee Do0dle went to town, a riding on a pony....

He lives in the distant past, and can't remember much about current events.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 01:06 pm
@Yankee,
Quote:

You are not interested in debate, nor are you interested in any objective analysis of the days events. You are only interest in the points of view of those who think like you. The fact that you are wrong many times is really not important. Education and life experience will change your opinions.


This is factually incorrect, as you do not have any meaningful data pertaining to what I am interested in.

And to prove it, I'm willing to move on past all this sniping and engage in an actual discussion if you wish; just name the topic and present your argument or preferred area of discussion and I will oblige.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 01:07 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Folks like cyclops, ci, and Parados will try to gang up and run you out of here. Hang in there, don't let them do it, they are leftie idealogues. Your posts indicate you to be a very reasonable person.


I note that you haven't had the guts to admit the factual errors which riddle your posts about Obama, pointed out to you today across several threads. Is pointing them out equivalent to 'trying to run you out of here?'

I don't even know what you mean when you say that. Are you implying that myself or others have suggested you no longer post on A2K?

Cycloptichorn
hawkeye10
 
  2  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 01:08 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Is this the 'lowest common denominator' theory of posting? One would hope that people would aspire to a higher standard than that - but I can certainly understand why some such as yourself do not.


WTF is wrong with you? Why do you need to ALWAYS be on the personal attack?
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 01:10 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
Is this the 'lowest common denominator' theory of posting? One would hope that people would aspire to a higher standard than that - but I can certainly understand why some such as yourself do not.


WTF is wrong with you? Why do you need to ALWAYS be on the personal attack?


If you bothered to read my posting on a more regular basis, I'm sure you would quickly realize that I am not in fact always 'on the personal attack.'

However, with reference to yourself, I have little tolerance for avowed and unrepentant bigots, and make no apologies for this. I am willing to admit that it is difficult for me to have meaningful conversations with people whose inherent viewpoint is one of dominance and hate towards those they fear; it is so antithetical to my own, that I truly cannot understand the worldview, other than to explain it using unflattering psychological terms.

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 01:11 pm
@Foxfyre,
Actually I thought I was still on the Conservatism thread when I made the last post, but since I posted it on the Obama thread, I'll take the opportunity to express how little of Modern American Conservative or Classical Liberal concepts are emulated by our current President and majority party. Of course the GOP wasn't doing a hell of a lot better in the middle part of the GWB administration, but perhaps it does illustrate why so many are not happy with what is currently going on and why we will stop it if we can before irreversible damage is done.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 01:14 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

Actually I thought I was still on the Conservatism thread when I made the last post, but since I posted it on the Obama thread, I'll take the opportunity to express how little of Modern American Conservative or Classical Liberal concepts are emulated by our current President and majority party. Of course the GOP wasn't doing a hell of a lot better in the middle part of the GWB administration, but perhaps it does illustrate why so many are not happy with what is currently going on and why we will stop it if we can before irreversible damage is done.


It is rather odd that the approval ratings for Obama and the Dems in congress are so much higher than the last bunch, if 'so many' are 'so unhappy' with what is going on.

I think there's also room to interpret that many Conservatives are unhappy with the Dems being in power for partisan reasons having little to do with the actual day-to-day decisions of our government.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
  0  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 01:16 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

I don't even know what you mean when you say that. Are you implying that myself or others have suggested you no longer post on A2K?

Cycloptichorn

I am suggesting you return to civil reason and debate instead of trying to intimidate everyone into your opinion.

Some of your opinions are so outlandish, one being that an animal is no lower than humans. I could not believe that one when you posted it, but that helps explain a bunch of your other opinions on issues and why they seem so unreasonable to me.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 01:20 pm
@okie,
okie, You have built a steel wall around your brain; many on these threads have challenged what you say, because they are without any basis in fact or evidence.

Trust me; it's about your posts that have no merit.
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parados
 
  2  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 01:20 pm
@Yankee,
Quote:
You are not interested in debate, nor are you interested in any objective analysis of the days events. You are only interest in the points of view of those who think like you. The fact that you are wrong many times is really not important. Education and life experience will change your opinions.

Objective analysis Yankee?

Really? When it comes to objective analysis, you have presented none. You call it simplistic to point out that Bush's tax cut decreased government revenues. Where was your "objective" analysis? You provided none it seems. You like to pretend you are somehow objective but you can't seem to talk any specifics. I would love to have an actual debate about the topic with you but you don't seem to want to do that.

The simple fact of the matter is that a tax rate of 17-22% of GDP does not affect GDP growth in any meaningful fashion. I say I am willing to pay more taxes and you ridicule it as somehow not being any sacrifice. Well if it isn't a sacrifice then everyone should be able to do it and do it easily. After all it isn't a sacrifice.
Yankee
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 01:24 pm
@parados,
No son, you said Bush tax cuts are THE reason we are in the current financial mess.

There are many reason, Bush tax cuts represent one of the many, but not THE reason.

I do not have the desire to explain this to you.

I am currently engaged in the objective analysis of the 7th Race at Belmont Park. This is what I do with my SS Income.
Foxfyre
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 01:44 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I think the approval ratings for Obama and the Dems in congress are 'so much higher than the last bunch' (assuming that is so....I didn't check) is probably because Democrats have more slavishly political religious and partisan types among them who will defend 'their guys' no matter what they do and who will condemn any critics no matter what is criticized. But the 'approval' doesn't seem to hold up on a case by case evaluation, so I have to believe it is based more partisan loyalty than on any objective criteria.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 01:44 pm
@Yankee,
Yankee wrote:
Quote:
No son, you said Bush tax cuts are THE reason we are in the current financial mess.


I'd like to see where parados said that (or anybody else for that matter)?
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 02:27 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

I think the approval ratings for Obama and the Dems in congress are 'so much higher than the last bunch' (assuming that is so....I didn't check)


C'mon, we're talking about Bush. You know you don't have to check. He was averaging in the 30's for years, Obama's approval rating is double that.

Quote:
is probably because Democrats have more slavishly political religious and partisan types among them who will defend 'their guys' no matter what they do and who will condemn any critics no matter what is criticized. But the 'approval' doesn't seem to hold up on a case by case evaluation, so I have to believe it is based more partisan loyalty than on any objective criteria.


Well, unless you think Dems make up more than 60% of the population, there certainly seem to be some independents and Republicans who are signaling their approval. It's hard to chalk approval numbers which exceed 50% to partisan loyalty as clearly many are expressing approval who are not partisans.

When you say 'the 'approval' doesn't seem to hold up on a case by case evaluation,' what do you mean?

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 02:30 pm
@Yankee,
Yankee wrote:

No son, you said Bush tax cuts are THE reason we are in the current financial mess.


Actually, son, He said:

Quote:
If the Bush tax cuts had not occurred we would be in much better shape financially in this country.


Perhaps you should pay a little more attention before slinging insults towards people.
Quote:

There are many reason, Bush tax cuts represent one of the many, but not THE reason.


This is consistent with what Parados wrote.
Quote:

I do not have the desire to explain this to you.


Fortunately, he doesn't need this explained, so you are off the hook.

Quote:
I am currently engaged in the objective analysis of the 7th Race at Belmont Park. This is what I do with my SS Income.


Exceedingly interesting information, but unrelated to the topic at hand.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
  0  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 02:34 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

I think the approval ratings for Obama and the Dems in congress are 'so much higher than the last bunch' (assuming that is so....I didn't check)


C'mon, we're talking about Bush. You know you don't have to check. He was averaging in the 30's for years, Obama's approval rating is double that.
Cycloptichorn

Not exactly accurate, cyclops. Bush's ratings were good until the constant drumming on Bush finally took its toll, well into his presidency. If it was in the 30's 4 years after he was elected, I doubt it, or he would not have been re-elected. Obama's ratings are not that special at this stage of his presidency.

http://online.wsj.com/media/info-presapp0605-all.gif
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 02:39 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

I think the approval ratings for Obama and the Dems in congress are 'so much higher than the last bunch' (assuming that is so....I didn't check)


C'mon, we're talking about Bush. You know you don't have to check. He was averaging in the 30's for years, Obama's approval rating is double that.
Cycloptichorn

Not exactly accurate, cyclops. Bush's ratings were good until the constant drumming on Bush finally took its toll, well into his presidency. If it was in the 30's 4 years after he was elected, I doubt it, or he would not have been re-elected.

http://online.wsj.com/media/info-presapp0605-all.gif


Can you read the graph? Bush's average approval was in the 30's, in 2005, 6, 7, and 8. That's 'years.' So actually, I was perfectly accurate.

Bush got a bounce from 9/11, all the way to the top, and then did nothing but fall for the rest of his 7 years in office. This is a clear sign of disapproval, and it wasn't because of the media - what a cheap response on your part. It was because of wide-spread dissatisfaction with both Bush personally and the actions his administration took.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 02:49 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Usually, picture is worth a thousand words, but with okie, nothing helps.
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jun, 2009 03:20 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Come on, we're talking first year in the presidency. President Bush was most hated of any president on election day because the Democrats couldn't stand that he won the election. Evenso, his approval ratings for the same time period that Obama has been in office was not that far off the mark. And after 9/11 he was in the 90% area, a mark I doubt seriously Obama will ever reach no matter what he does.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2009/44.president/the.first.year/approval.chart/

Let's see how President Obama looks after he has been in office a few years if you want an honest comparison.
 

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