Obama '08?

If the Bush tax cuts had not occurred we would be in much better shape financially in this country.

A very simplistic, and overused, response.

Published on Friday, November 18, 2005 by OneWorld.net
Research Dispels Bush Claims That Tax Cuts Create Jobs
by Haider Rizvi


NEW YORK - Despite considerable opposition from lawmakers, including some within his Republican party, President George W. Bush seems determined to push ahead with plans to introduce further cuts in taxes for the rich, continuing to assert that it would create more jobs for the poor.

But the findings of a new study suggest that Bush's claim on job creation is based more on political rhetoric than actual facts related to the nation's economic realities.

The President is not winning the hearts and minds of many in the medical profession with his universal healthcare plan.

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Obama's Doctor Knocks ObamaCare
David Whelan
6.18.09

What should the president be focused on? Scheiner thinks that a good health reform would be "Medicare for all," a single-payer system where the government would cover everyone and pay for it by cutting out waste in the system. "A neurosurgeon gets paid $20,000 for cutting into the neck of my patient. Have him get paid $1 million a year instead of $2 million or $3 million. He won't starve," Scheiner says.

The doctor is criticizing Obama for not presenting a plan which is far enough to the political left, not giving him a hard time for the idea of universal coverage.

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The doctor is criticizing Obama for not presenting a plan which is far enough to the political left, not giving him a hard time for the idea of universal coverage.

Wrong again.

This MD is suggesting that Obama takes the existing Government program and clean it up and fix it. I do not agree with his statement, PAY THEM $1M, but I find the idea of taking the existing Government run health care agency and fixing it up.

Obama, so far as I can tell, wants to create another govt agency.

Scheiner thinks that a good health reform would be "Medicare for all," a single-payer system where the government would cover everyone and pay for it by cutting out waste in the system.

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Scheiner thinks that a good health reform would be "Medicare for all," a single-payer system where the government would cover everyone and pay for it by cutting out waste in the system.

Now your are just being a smart ass.

The MD is suggesting exactly what I said. You would look foolish to your fellow liberals if you were to agree.

Again, you are not a challenge at all even for someone my age.

Cycloptichorn would rather be a bully than debate. He is a hopeless case I am afraid.

I am not interested in your assessment of what would or would not make me 'look foolish' in front of others here; having a much longer posting history than you (by several factors of ten), I assure you that when it comes to any assessment of the effects of my posting upon others here at A2K, I would not look to a relative newbie for analysis.

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I am not interested in your assessment of what would or would not make me 'look foolish' in front of others here; having a much longer posting history than you (by several factors of ten), I assure you that when it comes to any assessment of the effects of my posting upon others here at A2K, I would not look to a relative newbie for analysis.

You are unbelievable.

So I am to be impressed because you have a long history of being a poster in a Chat Room? That gives your opinions more relevance than mine?

AMAZING!!!!!

I might add that, the nature of the response you have received here on A2K is likely indicative that others do not find the quality of your argumentation to be particularly impressive either.

Modern American Conservatism/Classical Liberalism
(adapted from Wiki)
Modern American Conservatism (MAC)/Classical liberalism (also known as traditional liberalism[1], laissez-faire liberalism[2], and market liberalism[3] or, outside the United States and Britain, sometimes simply liberalism is a doctrine stressing individual freedom, free markets, and limited government. This includes the importance of human rationality, individual property rights, natural rights, the protection of civil liberties, individual freedom from restraint, equality under the law, constitutional limitation of government, free markets, and a gold standard to place fiscal constraints on government as exemplified in the writings of John Locke, Adam Smith, David Hume, David Ricardo, Voltaire, Montesquieu and others.

As such, it is the fusion of economic liberalism with political liberalism of the late 18th and 19th centuries. The "normative core" of MAC/classical liberalism is the idea that laissez-faire economics will bring about a spontaneous order or invisible hand that benefits the society, though it does not necessarily oppose the state's provision of some basic public goods with what constitutes public goods being seen as very limited. The qualification classical was applied retroactively to distinguish it from more recent, 20th-century conceptions of liberalism and its related movements, such as social liberalism MACs promote strong national defense and necessary regulation to prevent the citiziens/states from doing violence to each other, but are otherwise suspicious of all but the most minimal government necessary to perform its Constitutional mandates and object to most of the welfare state.

A very simplistic, and overused, response.

People were forced to pay higher taxes during the 40's as we knew exactly what we were paying for and the reasons were clear.

My generation was also willing to make the sacrifices necessary to protect the future of this Nation.

I do not see the same being done today. You could never understand and that is sad, not for me, but for you. You have no idea what sacrifice is.

You bore me with your tedious posts.