Obama '08?

okie, What exactly are Obama's failed policies? Please explain why they are failures.

For starters, his economic policy, the stimulus plan. It is a total and absolute bust. His takeover and meddling into business is getting out of hand big time. Projected deficits are staggering and will grow worse as unemployment exceeds projections and tax revenues fall. Government spending is out of control and he is only throwing more gasoline on the fire of irresponsibility

Another area is his energy policy, a total and absolute bust so far, it will not accomplish what he claimed during the campaign, and although it will take time for the public to realize this, we are really headed down the wrong road.

Education, another area that needs drastic reform, but hes not doing anything to fix it.

To summarize, Obama is not qualified to be president, he simply lacks the experience and the correct philosophy to govern successfully. He is wrecking the country. I hope we can turn things around by the time enough people wake up and sweep this bunch out of office. If we can overcome all the fraudulant voting and the corrupt ACORN, that is. I am sure he is working to build an even stronger organization to rig future elections in as many places as possible.

You must tell us much more; his economic policy and stimulus plans are what, exactly? Please delineate for us why they are failures.

What takeover of business are you talking about?

"Projected deficit" was started by Bush; why didn't you complain back then?
Hypocrisy, maybe.

You can play dumb about the failed policies, ci, but open your eyes for a change. I know you must place all of your faith in liberal policies and almighty government, but one would think given the vast blessings of resources and geographical situation so sweet as California has, your state should be awash in cash, but instead liberal policies have run it totally into the ground. If you need an example of what Obama is in process of doing to the country, and of failed policies, you need look no further than your own back yard.

Okay, I'm dumb and I don't know what the "failed policies" are. Please delineate them for me; I might learn something from you!

Heres one:
Barack Obama has signed the largest spending bill in the history of the planet, and he will more than double the national debt, adding more debt than all previous presidents combined - from George Washington to George W. Bush, all in the name of "stimulating" the economy, but it has not stimulated the economy, in fact some believe it has worsened the economy. His stimulation plan is not much of a stimulus plan, but is instead a "grow government" plan, which makes it a farce and a totally failed policy.

I read where smoking cigarettes can actually make a person dumber. Perhaps that is what has happened to Obama?

"..., a new study says smoking might actually make you stupider."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8889786/

If you need a picture, heres one:

I'm not trying to argue, but I think I need to know how you define "history".
Are you saying that "history" means anything done in the past doesnt mean much today, or are you saying that if we are still seeing the results of any past actions that it does matter today?

Depending on your definition, that could give us a starting point to having this discussion.

....... Are Americans finally realizing that elections have consequences? Notice that your friends and your neighbors are silently
removing their Barack Obama bumper stickers from their cars. Now they're walking around with a "who, me?" look on their faces.

It looks like he really did roughly quadruple the deficit too.

During the Bush administration, many democrats criticized deficit spending.

Obama's accomplishments thus far...


* Trillions added to our national debt.

* American is having trouble getting other countries to buy American debt

* Obama virtually ignores a corrupt election in Iran. We leave it to French President Sarkozy to speak out for the Iranian people wanting a free election.

* GM and Citigroup now government operations. More to come.

* The government (Obama) gets to set executive compensation levels.

* Obama seeking the ability to seize private businesses.

* Firing inspector generals who uncover corruption involving Obama buddies.

* Overturning established law to favor unions over secured creditors in GM's bankruptcy.

* Obama wants to reduce tax deductions for charitable deductions. Government doesn't like competition.

* The Washington DC voucher system, with a great record of success, slated for elimination while Obama's kids go to private school.

* Obama says 8% unemployment max. We're nearing 10%

* Obama moves to raise taxes on the small businesses that create the jobs.

* North Korea threatening to send a missile toward Hawaii

* While NK is lobbing missiles, Obama cuts spending in missile defense systems.


Change you can believe in

Let's correct a few misconceptions..

The budget year for the US starts in October.
The 2009 budget went into effect in Oct of 2008.
The deficit for the fiscal year at the end of Jan 2009 was over 600billion.
Obama took office on Jan 21 of 2009.

Here is the list of appropriations for the 2009 fiscal year.
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/approp/app09.html
So far only ONE has been passed appropriating dollars since Obama became President, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. That appropriation bill only appropriated $787 billion.
The current projection for the 2009 deficit is 1.750 trillion.

There is currently a supplemental appropriation for ongoing Afghan and Iraq costs that is has cleared the House and needs to be voted on by the Senate. Those costs were known last year but not included in the general budget.

There is little doubt based on when the budget bills were passed and the projected deficit that almost 1 trillion of the deficit MUST be placed on Bush if blame has to go to the President. Obama was not President when that spending was put in place. One can argue about the 787 billion ARRA and who is to blame in all or part for that. I consider it a necessary expenditure even though I don't like the cost. The government has to have the ability to deficit spend in times of recession. The problem is when the government is running record deficits PRIOR to the recession it makes it harder to do what is necessary.

I don't expect you to change squirt.

I figure you will always tell lies and half truths.

I squirt upon you... and you love it.

I do not disagree, except the above suggests either the President or the Congress does not have the will to do the hard things that are necessary.

The easy thing to do is continue spending to satisfy the politicians self interests.

Seems the current Congress is going in that direction.

I'm one of them.

And I'll criticize this President for his deficit spending as well (and I have been).

Actually I do expect you point out Obama's failures and even some perceived failures. Not my point however, when I talked of predictability. I was merely referring to your about face when it came to polls and Obama. Never mind.

A flat out lie on the part of Squirt.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway
debt on Jan 21, 2009 10.625 trillion
debt as of today June 19. 11.409 trillion
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Your math has a problem Squirt.

Why pay for it when you can do the politically easy thing and give out tax cuts?

There has been a problem since 2001 and it was the idea that we can simply grow our way out of the deficit by giving tax cuts. It didn't work under Reagan and it certainly didn't work under Bush. Taxes are going to have to be raised and either you are willing to accept that hard fact or you are enabling the politicians to make the easy choices.

Taxes, regardless of the argument of raising or lowering, is another easy "solution".

What you suggest in your "raise taxes" position is that each and every government Service provided is absolutely necessary and cost efficient.

I hope you do not have that position.

Again, the HARD DECISIONS you pointed out must include a review of each and every govt program and those that are inefficient must be either eliminated or forced to become efficient.

Only after a thorough examination is made should taxes be reviewed.

I do not recall seeing the elimination of any Govt service or program. Do you know of any?