old europe
 
  2  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 11:30 am
@H2O MAN,
I take that as a "yes".
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 11:31 am
@old europe,


Your answers prove that you are not as smart as Palin.
maporsche
 
  1  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 11:34 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Of course this is true, but not for the reason you think.

GM/Chrysler going BK would not have caused the companies to collapse and be forever removed from Americana. They would have gone into BK court and have come out stronger companies; instead, us taxpayers get to spend roughly 100 billion so that we can own 60% of a company who makes -80 billion / year. What a ******* deal!

I will not own a GM/Chrysler for a long time, if ever.
maporsche
 
  1  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 11:35 am
@old europe,
I'm saying that.

The government has ZERO business bailing out ANY company. Banks should have folded, car companies should have folded, etc.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 11:38 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Of course this is true, but not for the reason you think.

GM/Chrysler going BK would not have caused the companies to collapse and be forever removed from Americana. They would have gone into BK court and have come out stronger companies


Bullshit. You need to remember that we started bailing them out during the middle of a financial crisis, in which there was practically no credit available and our major banks were all failing. Exactly who do you think was going to buy GM? How would they have financed this without the assistance of the banks?

The truth is the exact opposite: GM would simply have collapsed without our intervention, and there would be even less around today to pick up than there is now. And the suppliers would have collapsed as well, negatively affecting Chrysler and Ford.

Quote:
instead, us taxpayers get to spend roughly 100 billion so that we can own 60% of a company who makes -80 billion / year. What a ******* deal!

I will not own a GM/Chrysler for a long time.


I don't know if that company will be making -80 billion a year in perpetuity, and neither do you. I do know, however, than an objective examination of the situation shows a much more perilous picture if we had allowed GM to fail in the middle of the biggest financial crisis in decades than the one you are painting.

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 11:39 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

I'm saying that.

The government has ZERO business bailing out ANY company. Banks should have folded, car companies should have folded, etc.


So, when you lost your job and all your savings b/c the banks all folded at the same time, you'd still be cheering this on?

Cycloptichorn
au1929
 
  1  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 11:40 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Open up a garbage can and who jumps out. It's Cycloptichorn man. I posted that article because I firmly believe his constant denigrating of the US is to say the least inappropriate and insulting. Regarding what is in that marshmellow you call a mind I could care less .
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 11:44 am
@Cycloptichorn,


Bullshit.

As usual, your response is pure Bullshit.
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 11:44 am
@au1929,
au1929 wrote:

Open up a garbage can and who jumps out. It's Cycloptichorn man. I posted that article because I firmly believe his constant denigrating of the US is to say the least inappropriate and insulting. Regarding what is in that marshmellow you call a mind I could care less .


Please. You've been bitching about Obama ever since it became clear he was going to pound Hillary into the ground. And much of your language was racist language. But, that's what I've come to expect from people from your generation, so it's not really surprising.

What is the negative effect of his so-called 'denigration' of the US? I'd love to hear you tell me. Because, see, the rest of us see Humility, something that has been lacking lately amongst our leadership.

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 11:45 am
@Cycloptichorn,


We would all cheer the loss of YOUR job at the massage parlor
0 Replies
 
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 11:47 am
@au1929,
au1929 wrote:

Open up a garbage can and who jumps out. It's Cycloptichorn man.
I posted that article because I firmly believe his constant denigrating of the US is to say the least inappropriate and insulting.


Cyclotroll is nothing more than a cupcake and a pipsqueak that hates America.
0 Replies
 
DontTreadOnMe
 
  1  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 11:53 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
...the rest of us see Humility, something that has been lacking lately amongst our leadership.


taking responsibility for your actions isn't denigrating anything, it's what adults do.

"my country right or wrong" isn't patriotic, it's political dogma.
old europe
 
  1  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 11:54 am
@H2O MAN,
Your answer proves that you're not man enough to stand up and declare what you believe in. All you're capable of is making snide comments, but when asked a simple question, you do anything to avoid an actual answer. You're not even man enough to declare what you'd rather have seen happening - GM and Chrysler collapsing, or the government stepping in. For someone who spends so much time playing tough guy on the internet, you're quite the weasel when it comes to standing up and being counted.
Foxfyre
 
  2  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 11:57 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
Taking responsibiity for your own actions is one thing. Apologizing for others is quite something else again and is not the prerogative of the President especially when he excludes himself from the apology. "My country right or wrong" is patriotism and is not political dogma. It is not condoning the wrong in any way but affirming that even when wrong, we have worth and accomplishments to be proud of too and we won't condemn us because we are imperfect.
0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 11:58 am
@old europe,
He's not only a weasel, but one without any backbone. Tough guy persona on the internet, but probably a pussy in person.
old europe
 
  1  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 12:00 pm
@maporsche,
I appreciate your libertarian purism. I disagree with the gist of it - that the government has no business in stepping in to save any kind of company, no matter the ramifications. On the other hand, I also think that you somehow got the worst of both worlds: Americans fear nationalisation so much that the government simply kept on pumping money into these companies, without ever demanding anything in return. If a company is important enough to be saved, then it would seem that it's also important enough for the government to step in and take over, at least temporarily.
0 Replies
 
au1929
 
  1  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 12:00 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
It is unseemly for the president of the US to travel the world saying excuse us for we have sinned.
old europe
 
  1  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 12:01 pm
@au1929,
No. It's Christian.
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 12:03 pm
@au1929,
au1929 wrote:

It is unseemly for the president of the US to travel the world saying excuse us for we have sinned.


Why? Be specific.

Cycloptichorn
au1929
 
  1  
Fri 5 Jun, 2009 12:07 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Are you playing dumb or are you really that stupid.
 

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