Obama '08?

@mysteryman,

Well, last month we had some strikes here, both at the army (over several days) and at the embassy (the latter with little effect, I suppose).

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This is the latest post on the Threat to America that is Barack Hussein Obama-

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Uh, oh, I might have lied - the recipe I have, in her The Renaissance of Italian Cooking - has olive oil, dry white wine, fresh whole lobster, basil, lemon, garlic, walnuts, pine nuts, and anchovy filets. Which I'll type if anyone is interested, as it sounds good. Maybe the cook adapted that with butter, and my memory is off. I don't remember any nuts either, and am blank about the anchovies with a maybe to that. So, off to google - but sometime later.

Guess the gender of the writer.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

My point is that while so many of you are raising hell because US companies move overseas and pay next to nothing, it seems the US govt is guilty of the same thing.

Are you people complaining about corporations going to raise hell about the state dept now?

i can't speak for anyone else on this, j.. but, my complaints about the multi-nationals is reagrding unfair tax loopholes and evasion via bogus offshore headquarters and payments going to them, when they should be going to america.

and as far as what the state department pays foreign nationals working for state, do we know how that 4 dollars a day converts to their local currency? in some places, 4 dollars can be a **** load of cash.

an example; our friend tony retired a year or so back. he now spends about of his time back in the philippines, where he's originally from.

he says that with the conversion and economy, he can live like a king. he was always a hard worker, so i say good for him.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Grandpa was held liable for the accident and the insurance company wound up paying a large settlement for the damage caused by the accident and to the mother for the relatively minor injuries of the child.

Why? Grandpa left the keys where the kids could get them even though he didn't know they were going to be there.

Could put a whole new perspective on the keys in the ignition where a potential car thief can see them, especially a juvenile, and the way things are going it is likely the car owner who could be held liable.

Well, that would be an interesting metaphor for the government and for big business.

The funny thing is that if you want to exclusively blame government for "enabling" companies and bringing about the financial meltdown, you'll also have to accept that the companies acted like teenagers that can't be trusted with the car keys.

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

Well, that would be an interesting metaphor for the government and for big business.

The funny thing is that if you want to exclusively blame government for "enabling" companies and bringing about the financial meltdown, you'll also have to accept that the companies acted like teenagers that can't be trusted with the car keys.

ouch...

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@old europe,

To blame any government in any democracy for "enabling" anything negative is an oxymoron. They can "encourage," but they can't force anyone to do anything that may be harmful to the public at large.

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Mysteryman wrote:

Re: cicerone imposter (Post 3652095)
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there's no other alternative but to spend and increase our national debt.
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But Obama campaigned with an explicit promise to cut the debt in half.
Are you saying that it isnt possible for him to do that?

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Obama is a liar. He is reneging on many of his promises-withdrawing soon from Iraq; cutting defense expenditures; closing Gitmo. He is just a double talking homeboy from the ghetto. Some one these threads don't know what they are really like. I do. Not to be trusted!

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@spendius,

You seem not to have read the thread you refer to, Spendius.

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
Grandpa was held liable for the accident and the insurance company wound up paying a large settlement for the damage caused by the accident and to the mother for the relatively minor injuries of the child.

Why? Grandpa left the keys where the kids could get them even though he didn't know they were going to be there.

Could put a whole new perspective on the keys in the ignition where a potential car thief can see them, especially a juvenile, and the way things are going it is likely the car owner who could be held liable.

Well, that would be an interesting metaphor for the government and for big business.

The funny thing is that if you want to exclusively blame government for "enabling" companies and bringing about the financial meltdown, you'll also have to accept that the companies acted like teenagers that can't be trusted with the car keys.

Sometimes. But the fact remains that in attractive nuisance cases, the party who put the attractive nuisance out there is judged as guilty as the one who committed the crime and sometimes is held solely liable. If the government creates a situation that practically begs business and consumers to take advantage of it, government should be held as accountable for the consequences as are those who simply did what they were invited to do.

And to prevent the same consequences in the future, you don't create the same situation that invites the same irresponsible behavior.

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@cicerone imposter,

Cicerone Imposter, as goofy as usual says that government can "encourage" but they can't force anything that may be harmful to the public at large". If one was able to ask babies who are slaughtered in late term abortions if the abortion was HARMFUL--They would say--You killed me--What is more harmful.

Cicerone is definitely senile.

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Hawkeye 10 wrote:

The SEC was (and is) run by the executive branch of the US Government and funded and overseen by the US Congress. Both the US government and the corporate class felt that they had much to gain by the SEC being weak, and they made it so. In reality everyone to include the Government and the corporate class had a need for a strong SEC, long term. Short term Greed overruled long term best interests and good sense.
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Cicerone does not know that, Hawkeye 10

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@old europe,

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The funny thing is that if you want to exclusively blame government for "enabling" companies and bringing about the financial meltdown, you'll also have to accept that the companies acted like teenagers that can't be trusted with the car keys.

Companies once felt an obligation to do their best to be good citizens, this meant that they did what they could to advance the nations interests, and it meant that they made it a habit to exhibit honor and fairness in all of their dealings, to include towards the workers. We have lost all of that. It is true that government can only do so much to pressure individual firms to do the right thing, they government will always be behind the power curve of the doings of firms that prefer to do what gains them wealth rather than doing what would gain them the appreciation and respect of the general society.

What the private sector needs to understand is that robbing the society when ever possible does come at a cost.....it advances the argument of socialists such as me that argue that the free market private enterprise system needs to be dismantled. The emotional tide that forms when the masses wake up and realize that they have been robbed, and their kids more so, will go far to secure a win for the socialist revolutionary movement.

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Mysteryman wrote:

But thats precisely the type of argument that the more loony liberal people have tried to use.

They have said that criminals are totally a product of their environment, and that it is society's fault that someone became a criminal.
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An interesting take on this which PROVES that the environment is not the be all and end all can be found by referencing--"The ten thousand year explosion"

Anti-Semites like Cicerone Imposter will hate it.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Sometimes. But the fact remains that in attractive nuisance cases, the party who put the attractive nuisance out there is judged as guilty as the one who committed the crime and sometimes is held solely liable. If the government creates a situation that practically begs business and consumers to take advantage of it, government should be held as accountable for the consequences as are those who simply did what they were invited to do.

And to prevent the same consequences in the future, you don't create the same situation that invites the same irresponsible behavior.

Finally something we can agree upon.

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
Sometimes. But the fact remains that in attractive nuisance cases, the party who put the attractive nuisance out there is judged as guilty as the one who committed the crime and sometimes is held solely liable. If the government creates a situation that practically begs business and consumers to take advantage of it, government should be held as accountable for the consequences as are those who simply did what they were invited to do.

And to prevent the same consequences in the future, you don't create the same situation that invites the same irresponsible behavior.

Finally something we can agree upon.

Okay then. Foxfyre has admitted that her opposition to government regulation in favor of laissez-faire economics & free market capitalism requires that SHE be held accountable for the consequences.

Foxfyre has admitted the government, like her grandfather, must PAY to remedy the economic meltdown created, in part, due to the lack of government regulation at the hands of the conservative movement. Accordingly, she has no objection to the government spending billions of dollars to remedy the situation even though SHE--as a taxpayer--must contribute her tax dollars to the public coffers. Perhaps those who were the greediest and reaped the most profits from the misconduct should pay a bigger share in terms of tax dollars to remedy the problem? It seems that Foxfyre has made an excellent argument in favor of a progressive tax system.

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@old europe,

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Finally something we can agree upon

only if we can agree that firms are not citizens, firms are temporary holdings of societal assets(workers, wealth, hard assets and intellectual wealth). They must be forced into death when they no longer serve the bests interests of the greater good. Government (the collective) is to blame for what these firms did, but these firms must be put to death irregardless. If we were dealing with way ward individuals we would have a much greater responsibility to rehabilitate them.

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@ossobuco,

Well- from the title of the thread I hadn't guessed it was about who is the sexiest broad around these parts.

I loved it. I had to go have have a cold tap treatment after I read it.

You're my kind of gal.

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@DontTreadOnMe,

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and as far as what the state department pays foreign nationals working for state, do we know how that 4 dollars a day converts to their local currency? in some places, 4 dollars can be a **** load of cash.

And that has always been my position, every time someone complains about how little American companies pay to their overseas employees.

But every time I have said the same thing, I have been attacked as being "uncaring".

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

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and as far as what the state department pays foreign nationals working for state, do we know how that 4 dollars a day converts to their local currency? in some places, 4 dollars can be a **** load of cash.

And that has always been my position, every time someone complains about how little American companies pay to their overseas employees.

But every time I have said the same thing, I have been attacked as being "uncaring".

aw well, people mean well.

i don't remember when it was; years way back, i was shocked to hear that a playtex factory in mexico was paying something like 65 cents a day. it seemed pretty bad to me, but after i went to mexico the first time, i realized that 65 cents went a whole lot farther than it did at 7/11.

i'd love to go back to mexico, and see as much as i can of south america, but i've got this feeling that it's really, really not a very good time to visit.

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@DontTreadOnMe,

You scared of a little swine flu, or all those killings by drug gangs? LOL

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