Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Sun 10 May, 2009 01:47 am
So we (most probably) will see Obama when he visits Weimar/Buchenwald in June ... (trying to get the date and a hotel ....)
genoves
 
  -3  
Sun 10 May, 2009 02:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Will the populace scream--Seig Heil??? It would be fitting!!!
genoves
 
  -2  
Sun 10 May, 2009 02:07 am
BO will have to be very careful when he visits Buchenwald. If he does not parse his words, he may be viewed as being too sympathetic to Israel and, of course, the left wing is almost completely reflexively pro-Palestinian.

But I have read BO'speeches. He is a genius at providing ambiguity. He is one of the few people in US politics that can talk on all three sides of an issue at the same time and make all sides think he favors their position.

It is a skill he honed well in the ghetto of Chicago when he was a "commnity organizer".
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 10 May, 2009 02:59 am
@genoves,
Don't know about such. It's not used here since more than 64 years. (And those who still do it get prosecuted.)

Oh, and it is "Sieg Heil".
Advocate
 
  1  
Sun 10 May, 2009 08:05 am
@genoves,
Goss is, and always has been, a right-wing hack, who was forced out as director of the CIA. Who would believe him. Pelosi said she was not informed that torture was taking place, but that there was legal support for it. Moreover, the briefing was classified, keeping her from discussing it. I believe her.
Advocate
 
  1  
Sun 10 May, 2009 08:06 am
@genoves,
O is not very ambigious. He has accomplished more in 90 days than Bush accomplished in eight years.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 10 May, 2009 10:29 am
That's because O can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Sun 10 May, 2009 12:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That chart does look a little funky. If you really want to compare apples to apples, you can take a look at the actual debt figures from year to year by clicking HERE. Unfortunately, once isolated, the truth becomes clear: We haven't had a President that really buckled down fiscal-responsibility-wise (paid more than lip service to a balanced budget) since the Great Depression. Indeed, scarce few American Presidents have EVER presided over a balanced budget. To Clinton's credit; he was indeed considerably more fiscally responsible than either his predecessor or successor; but it requires some funky math to describe the result as a “surplus.” The truth is; he too fell well short of actually balancing the budget.

Anyone with the wherewithal to manage their own finances effectively knows a year where your debt increases isn’t one to be proud of. One can’t reasonably point out increased value in their home to justify borrowing against it to pay their bills, and still claim they’re doing a good job of managing their money. You at least have to reduce the principal to feel like you’ve accomplished anything at all. I see no reason to hold the leader of the free world to a lesser standard.
DontTreadOnMe
 
  1  
Sun 10 May, 2009 01:57 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Don't know about such. It's not used here since more than 64 years. (And those who still do it get prosecuted.)

Oh, and it is "Sieg Heil".


il est berserker, walter. keine zeit, keine zeit.
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Sun 10 May, 2009 03:00 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
So if I;m reading your link right, the debt went UP every year during the Clinton admin.

How does that equal a balanced budget?
Advocate
 
  1  
Sun 10 May, 2009 03:02 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
O'moron says that Clinton didn't produce a surplus. He did by any standard. There was more coming in than going out. Increases in debt in themselves are not considered.
mysteryman
 
  1  
Sun 10 May, 2009 03:08 pm
@Advocate,
So then debt doesnt count when talking about a balanced budget or not?

Then I am running huge surplus with my household budget, as long as you dont count my house payment, my truck payment, my utilities, and any other debt I have.
OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Sun 10 May, 2009 06:50 pm
@mysteryman,
I said he fell short of balancing the budget, despite being better than most. Read it again.
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snood
 
  1  
Sun 10 May, 2009 06:53 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Quote:
They're all chicken hearted, and that may include you!


I have already been waterboarded, as part of my training in the military.
I can assure you its not a fun process.
But you are the one that has opposed torture in the past, yet now you not only favor it, but your own words say you want to watch it.

These are your exact words...

Quote:
I prefer to witness Cheney getting water-boarded.


So either you are in favor of torture, or you have some sick fetish.



What kind of job did you do in the military that necessitated you being waterboarded?
OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Sun 10 May, 2009 06:59 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

O'moron says that Clinton didn't produce a surplus. He did by any standard. There was more coming in than going out. Increases in debt in themselves are not considered.
How do you never tire of making a complete fool of yourself, practically every time you type?

Which one of these years looks like there was more coming in than going out?
09/30/2000- 5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999- 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998- 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997- 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996- 5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995- 4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994- 4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993- 4,411,488,883,139.38

Most people over 7 years old would answer "none of the above" in short order. Again, he did do better than most, but most people would still be pretty concerned if, like Clinton, they spent $18 Billion dollars more than they brought in, in their best year. And only a total idiot, like Advocate, would deny something so obvious to everyone with an IQ over 60.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 10 May, 2009 10:24 pm
Actuals (in billions):

Quote:
Revenues... Outlays... On-Budget

1992............. 1,091.3..... 1,381.6...... -340.4.
1993 .............1,154.5..... 1,409.5...... -300.4
1994 .............1,258.7..... 1,461.9...... -258.8
1995............. 1,351.9..... 1,515.9...... -226.4
1996 .............1,453.2..... 1,560.6...... -174.0
1997 .............1,579.4..... 1,601.3...... -103.2
1998............. 1,722.0..... 1,652.7...... -29.9
1999............. 1,827.6..... 1,702.0......... 1.9....
genoves
 
  -3  
Sun 10 May, 2009 11:48 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter says its "Seig Heil". He would know!!!!
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genoves
 
  -3  
Sun 10 May, 2009 11:51 pm
@Advocate,
It is obvious that you did not read the report. Like most left wingers, you appear to be abysmally stupid. The person who released the files showing that Nancy( Stepford Wife) Pelosi was at the meeting when water boarding was discussed is BO's Choice and Appointee as the director of the CIA--THE DEMOCRAT-Leon Panetta.
genoves
 
  -3  
Mon 11 May, 2009 12:01 am
@genoves,
There may be Congressional Hearings about the liar --Nancy Pelosi. If you can read, Advocate--read the following.

Read VIDEO
By Deirdre Walsh and Pam Benson
CNN


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is disputing a CIA account sent to Congress that raises questions about her insistence she was never told explicitly that waterboarding had been used on terrorist suspects.


Pelosi told reporters last month that she was told about the legal justification for the interrogation techniques.

The CIA-prepared memo, provided to CNN by Republican sources, lists 40 briefings for members of Congress from September 2002 to March 2009. The first briefing on the list -- on September 4, 2002 -- was for then-House Intelligence Committee Chairman Porter Goss and Pelosi, then the ranking Democrat on the committee.

The subject of the briefing is listed as EITs, or enhanced interrogation techniques, "including use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah, background on authorities, and a description of the particular EITs that had been employed."

CIA Director Leon Panetta, in cover letters sent with the memo to the House and Senate Intelligence committees, says the information "is drawn from the past files of the CIA and represents MFR [memorandum for the record] completed at the time and notes that summarized the best recollections of those individuals. In the end, you and the committee will have to determine what actually happened."

Last month, Pelosi told reporters that she was told about the legal justification for the interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, but was never told the controversial technique had been used on any detainees.

"We were not -- I repeat -- were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used."

In a statement issued Friday, Pelosi said: "Of the 40 CIA briefings to Congress reported recently in the press, I was only briefed once, on September 4, 2002, as I have previously stated.

"As I said in my statement of December 9, 2007:

" 'I was briefed on interrogation techniques the administration was considering using in the future. The administration advised that legal counsel for both the CIA and the Department of Justice had concluded that the techniques were legal.'

"I had no further briefings on the techniques.

***********************************************************

Nancy Pelosi admitted--see above--"I was briefed on interrogation techniques the administration was considering using in the future>"

I can find NO objection from Nancy Pelosi that she OBJECTED to waterboarding.
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genoves
 
  -2  
Mon 11 May, 2009 12:06 am
Advocate is profoundly ignorant about Porter Goss. Note CNN's report--

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Porter Goss said Saturday that his surprise resignation as CIA director is "just one of those mysteries," offering no other explanation for his sudden departure after almost two years on the job.

Although the ex-congressman declined to comment, intelligence sources have told CNN that Goss' resignation on Friday was triggered by differences with National Intelligence Director John Negroponte over plans to move staff, including analysts from the CIA's counterterrorism center, to other intelligence agencies.

**********************

Advocate, like most left wingers who do not read probably does not know or realize that John Negroponte is a REPUBLICAN.
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