Woiyo9
 
  1  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 06:03 am
A few lies that need to be corrected.........

A look at some of his claims Wednesday:

OBAMA: "Number one, we inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit.... That wasn't me. Number two, there is almost uniform consensus among economists that in the middle of the biggest crisis, financial crisis, since the Great Depression, we had to take extraordinary steps. So you've got a lot of Republican economists who agree that we had to do a stimulus package and we had to do something about the banks. Those are one-time charges, and they're big, and they'll make our deficits go up over the next two years." - in Missouri.


THE FACTS:

Congress controls the purse strings, not the president, and it was under Democratic control for Obama's last two years as Illinois senator. Obama supported the emergency bailout package in President George W. Bush's final months - a package Democratic leaders wanted to make bigger.

To be sure, Obama opposed the Iraq war, a drain on federal coffers for six years before he became president. But with one major exception, he voted in support of Iraq war spending.

The economy has worsened under Obama, though from forces surely in play before he became president, and he can credibly claim to have inherited a grim situation.

Still, his response to the crisis goes well beyond "one-time charges."

He's persuaded Congress to expand children's health insurance, education spending, health information technology and more. He's moving ahead on a variety of big-ticket items on health care, the environment, energy and transportation that, if achieved, will be more enduring than bank bailouts and aid for homeowners.

The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimated his policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years, even accounting for his spending reduction goals. Now, the deficit is nearly quadrupling to $1.75 trillion.

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OBAMA: "I think one basic principle that we know is that the more we do on the (disease) prevention side, the more we can obtain serious savings down the road. ... If we're making those investments, we will save huge amounts of money in the long term." - in Missouri.

THE FACTS: It sounds believable that preventing illness should be cheaper than treating it, and indeed that's the case with steps like preventing smoking and improving diets and exercise. But during the 2008 campaign, when Obama and other presidential candidates were touting a focus on preventive care, the New England Journal of Medicine cautioned that "sweeping statements about the cost-saving potential of prevention, however, are overreaching." It said that "although some preventive measures do save money, the vast majority reviewed in the health economics literature do not."

And a study released in December by the Congressional Budget Office found that increasing preventive care "could improve people's health but would probably generate either modest reductions in the overall costs of health care or increases in such spending within a 10-year budgetary time frame."

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OBAMA: "You could cut (Social Security) benefits. You could raise the tax on everybody so everybody's payroll tax goes up a little bit. Or you can do what I think is probably the best solution, which is you can raise the cap on the payroll tax." - in Missouri.

THE FACTS: Obama's proposal would reduce the Social Security trust fund's deficit by less than half, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

That means he would still have to cut benefits, raise the payroll tax rate, raise the retirement age or some combination to deal with the program's long-term imbalance.

Workers currently pay 6.2 percent and their employers pay an equal rate - for a total of 12.4 percent - on annual wages of up to $106,800, after which no more payroll tax is collected.

Obama wants workers making more than $250,000 to pay payroll tax on their income over that amount. That would still protect workers making under $250,000 from an additional burden. But it would raise much less money than removing the cap completely.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090429/D97SCPI00.html
parados
 
  2  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 07:21 am
@Woiyo9,
Quote:
A few lies that need to be corrected.........

Ok..

First lie.
The piece is copyrighted 2008

Second lie
Quote:
Obama's proposal would reduce the Social Security trust fund's deficit by less than half

Social Security isn't running a deficit. It is in surplus.

Those are the ones I found quickly. Do you see other ones that need to be corrected?
Woiyo9
 
  0  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 07:30 am
@parados,
Quote:
The piece is copyrighted 2008


FACT CHECK: Obama disowns deficit he helped shape
Email this Story

Apr 29, 5:55 PM (ET)

By CALVIN WOODWARD

Quote:
Social Security isn't running a deficit. It is in surplus.


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McTag
 
  1  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 07:33 am
The sudden clamour to prosecute the CIA operatives who carried out waterboarding is the height of hypocrisy.
Everyone who knew about the torture, and didn't speak out, shares the blame.

Naomi Wolf

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/apr/28/torture-hyprocrisy
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 09:47 am
@Woiyo9,
Woiyo9 wrote:



Quote:
Social Security isn't running a deficit. It is in surplus.


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Social security does run a surplus. We jack about 100 billion from it every year to fund our gov't deficit.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 10:00 am
@Cycloptichorn,
The social security surplus has been covered ad nauseum more than 100 times by most major media when Bush wanted to change the program, and most people learned that the surplus will fund social security until 2042.

People also realized it was a very bad idea when the stock market tanked.

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Woiyo9
 
  0  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 10:24 am
@Cycloptichorn,
A SUMMARY OF THE 2008 ANNUAL REPORTS
Social Security and Medicare Boards of Trustees
A MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC:

Each year the Trustees of the Social Security and Medicare trust funds report on the current and projected financial status of the two programs. This message summarizes our 2008 Annual Reports.

The financial condition of the Social Security and Medicare programs remains problematic. Projected long run program costs are not sustainable under current financing arrangements. Social Security's current annual surpluses of tax income over expenditures will begin to decline in 2011 and then turn into rapidly growing deficits as the baby boom generation retires. Medicare's financial status is even worse. This year Medicare's Hospital Insurance (HI) Trust Fund is expected to pay out more in hospital benefits and other expenditures than it receives in taxes and other dedicated revenues. The difference will be made up from general revenues which pay for interest credits to the Trust Fund. Growing annual deficits are projected to exhaust HI reserves in 2019 and Social Security reserves in 2041. In addition, the Medicare Supplementary Medical Insurance (SMI) Trust Fund that pays for physician services and the prescription drug benefit will continue to require general revenue financing and charges on beneficiaries that grow substantially faster than the economy and beneficiary incomes over time.

The drawdown of Social Security and HI Trust Fund reserves and the general revenue transfers into SMI will result in mounting pressure on the Federal budget. In fact, pressure is already evident. For the second consecutive year, a "Medicare funding warning" is being triggered, signaling that non-dedicated sources of revenues"primarily general revenues"will soon account for more than 45 percent of Medicare's outlays. The President recently proposed remedial action pursuant to the warning in last year's report and, in accordance with Medicare statute, a Presidential proposal will be needed in response to the latest warning.

We are increasingly concerned about inaction on the financial challenges facing the Social Security and Medicare programs. The longer action is delayed, the greater will be the required adjustments, the larger the burden on future generations, and the more severe the detrimental economic impact on our nation.

Medicare

As we reported last year, Medicare's financial difficulties come sooner"and are much more severe"than those confronting Social Security. While both programs face demographic challenges, rapidly growing health care costs also affect Medicare. Underlying health care costs per enrollee are projected to rise faster than the wages per worker on which payroll taxes and Social Security benefits are based. As a result, while Medicare's annual costs were 3.2 percent of GDP in 2007, or nearly three quarters of Social Security's, they are projected to surpass Social Security expenditures in 2028 and reach 10.8 percent of GDP in 2082.

Moreover, this is the second consecutive year that the Medicare Report triggers a Medicare funding warning. Under the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003 the Medicare Report must include a determination of whether the difference between total Medicare outlays and dedicated financing (such as premiums and payroll taxes) exceeds 45 percent of total outlays within the first 7 years of the projection period (2008-2014 for the 2008 Report). The Act provides that an affirmative determination in two consecutive reports be treated as a "funding warning" for Medicare that would, in turn, prompt a Presidential proposal to respond to the warning and expedited Congressional consideration of such proposal. The 2008 Report projects that the difference will surpass 45 percent in 2014 and therefore again makes a determination of excess general revenue funding (as prior Reports did in 2006 and 2007). This determination triggers the second consecutive Medicare funding warning. Under the provisions of the 2003 Act, this calls for a Presidential proposal to respond to the warning within 15 days of the submission of the Fiscal Year 2010 budget and for Congress to consider the proposal on an expedited basis. This provision is expected to bring additional attention to Medicare's impact on the Federal budget.

The projected 75-year actuarial deficit in the Hospital Insurance (HI) Trust Fund is now 3.54 percent of taxable payroll, down slightly from 3.55 percent projected in last year's report. Were it not for new methods for projecting immigration that were implemented this year, the HI actuarial deficit would have increased rather than decreased. Despite the slight improvement, the fund again fails our test of short-range financial adequacy, as projected annual assets drop below projected annual expenditures within 10 years"by 2013. The fund also continues to fail our long-range test of close actuarial balance by a wide margin. The projected date of HI Trust Fund exhaustion is 2019, the same as in last year's report, when dedicated revenues would be sufficient to pay only 78 percent of HI costs. Projected HI dedicated revenues fall short of outlays in this and all future years. The Medicare Report shows that the program could be brought into actuarial balance over the next 75 years by an immediate 122 percent increase in the payroll tax (from 2.9 percent to 6.44 percent), or an immediate 51 percent reduction in program outlays or some combination of the two. As with Social Security, adjustments of greater magnitude would be necessary if changes are delayed or phased in gradually. Larger changes would also be required to make the program solvent on a sustainable basis beyond the 75-year horizon.

Part B of the Supplementary Medical Insurance (SMI) Trust Fund, which pays doctors' bills and other outpatient expenses, and Part D, which pays for access to prescription drug coverage, are both projected to remain adequately financed into the indefinite future because current law automatically provides financing each year to meet next year's expected costs. However, expected steep cost increases will result in rapidly growing general revenue financing needs"projected to rise from 1.3 percent of GDP in 2007 to 4.1 percent in 2082"as well as substantial increases over time in beneficiary premium charges.

Social Security

The annual cost of Social Security benefits represented 4.3 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in 2007 and is projected to increase to 6.1 percent of GDP in 2035, and then decline to 5.8 percent of GDP by 2048 and remain at that level. The projected 75-year actuarial deficit in the combined Old-Age and Survivors and Disability Insurance (OASDI) Trust Fund is 1.70 percent of taxable payroll ($4.3 trillion in present value terms), down from 1.95 percent projected in last year's report. This decrease is due primarily to changes in projection methods. Although the combined OASDI program passes our short-range test of financial adequacy, the Disability Insurance Trust Fund does not; in addition, OASDI continues to fail our long-range test of close actuarial balance by a wide margin. Projected OASDI tax income will begin to fall short of outlays in 2017, and will be sufficient to finance only 78 percent of scheduled annual benefits in 2041, after the combined OASDI Trust Fund is projected to be exhausted.

Social Security could be brought into actuarial balance over the next 75 years in various ways, including an immediate increase of 14 percent in payroll tax revenues (from 12.4 percent to 14.1 percent) or an immediate reduction in benefits of 12 percent or some combination of the two. Ensuring that the system is solvent on a sustainable basis beyond the next 75 years would require larger changes, because an aging population and increasing longevity cause the projected current-law OASDI cash-flow deficits to be substantially larger after the 75-year projection period than they are on average during the period.

The projected actuarial deficit in the OASDI Trust Fund over the infinite future is 3.2 percent of taxable payroll (1.1 percent of GDP), or $13.6 trillion in present value terms. The system could be brought into actuarial balance over this time horizon with an immediate increase in payroll tax revenues of 26 percent (from 12.4 percent to 15.6 percent) or an immediate reduction in benefits of 20 percent, or some combination of the two.

Conclusion

The financial difficulties facing Social Security and Medicare pose enormous challenges. The sooner these challenges are addressed, the more varied and less disruptive their solutions can be. We urge the public to engage in informed discussion and policymakers to think creatively about the changing needs and preferences of working and retired Americans. A national conversation and timely political action are essential to ensure that Social Security and Medicare continue to play a critical role in the lives of all Americans.
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 10:27 am



Class... welcome to Socialism 101

Has PrezBO shown any leadership since he took the oath of office ???


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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 10:40 am
@Woiyo9,
I'm not sure why you posted this, as it proves my case that SS currently runs a surplus.

Cycloptichorn
Woiyo9
 
  -1  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 10:53 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I know this may be way over your head but SS has a projected long term deficit.

SSI should not be viewed as a "current cash flow" asset since it is designed to pay long term benefits, just like a defined benefit plan. Believe it or not, there are certain funding requirements necessary to meet the future obligations and SSI, as currently funded, can not meet those obligations.

See that was what you were bitching about during Bush term but since "Christ" is in office, you seem to forget the facts.
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 10:53 am
@Cycloptichorn,


PrezBO inherited a SS system from GW with a surplus.
Woiyo9
 
  2  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 10:54 am
@H2O MAN,
(No, he did not).
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 10:54 am
@H2O MAN,
You are stupid!
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 10:55 am
@Woiyo9,
Woiyo9 wrote:

(No, he did not).


That's my point, we know the so-called surplus is fake.
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H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 10:56 am
@cicerone imposter,


That damn pesky little gnat is back!
cicerone imposter
 
  4  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 11:02 am
@H2O MAN,
You are the troll that follows me around. Look in the mirror, you'll see a bug.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 02:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,


When I look in the mirror I do see you flying around my head ... go away!
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Lightwizard
 
  1  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 04:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Would that be a water bug?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 04:57 pm
@Lightwizard,
You guessed it! LOL
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H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Thu 30 Apr, 2009 06:34 pm
@Lightwizard,
No.

CI is a tiny gnat, a water bug is more tank like and would easily crush him.
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