Obama '08?

Jumping right ahead:
I don't claim to be the smartest turnip on the wagon but this defies logic...
WHO DECIDED THAT THIS WAS GOOD IDEA?
NPR this afternoon reported that folks in NYC and urban NJ were freaked out this morning to see a 747 flying low over the Hudson trailed by a fighter jet. Hundreds of calls to 911 and folks fleeing tall buildings as the planes circled the Statue of Liberty.
Mayor Bloomberg is p*ssed and the administration has been distancing itself from the event all day. Finally, someone from the Defense Dept admitted that the stunt was part of a propaganda filming project. Someone at Defense reportedly notified some minor official in NYC that this was going to be happening but requested that it be kept secret. Why it should be kept secret is a mystery to this turnip.

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@realjohnboy,

Unfortunately, you (the turnip) has more brains than people who think they are intelligent - and make those stupid decisions to make a movie.

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@cicerone imposter,

It was to keep everybody alert and get the shelves cleared of pantie liners. There could be a health scare coming up associating pantie liners with (********) and it was thought best to get them all used up before word got out.

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@nimh,

Our posts kind of crossed, Nimh. Thanks for rejoining us with your analysis of polls.
I picked Rasmussen in no small part because I know that it is perceived to have a conservative bias. I am a liberal Democrat and I didn't want to choose a poll that would leave me exposed to the claim that I am shilling for President Obama.
Rasmussen's Approval Index on Mr Obama (Strongly Approve minus Strongly Disapprove) is much closer (3-5%) then other polls as is his General Approval rating (something like 55-45%).
It seems to me, Nimh, that the important thing is the trend over time from whichever poll you look at. You can't jump from one poll to another. They use different methodologies which make comparisons difficult.
Again, welcome back. I am an amateur here in polling,

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@realjohnboy,

realjohnboy wrote:

I picked Rasmussen in no small part because I know that it is perceived to have a conservative bias. I am a liberal Democrat and I didn't want to choose a poll that would leave me exposed to the claim that I am shilling for President Obama.

Fair enough..

realjohnboy wrote:

It seems to me, Nimh, that the important thing is the trend over time from whichever poll you look at. You can't jump from one poll to another. They use different methodologies which make comparisons difficult.

Yes, very true.

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

okie wrote:
Who cares?

You care, okie. Look, you even posted polling data yourself!

On the other hand, maybe you only care if the data seems to agree with your opinion....

And I suppose you are different?

P.S. I care when polls disagree with what I believe, but I don't particularly enjoy dwelling on them. I think everyone is that way. I don't particularly see alot of liberals or Democrats posting alot of approval ratings for Congress the last couple of years.

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@okie,

Just a couple of years? You should look at the whole eight years under Bush. LOL

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@okie,

Here, okie, take a gander at this:

Quote:

April 14th, 2009
CNN Poll: Obama, Congress Ratings
Posted by Kyle Trygstad | Email This | Permalink | Email Author

A new CNN/Opinion Research survey (April 3-5, 1023 A, +/- 3%) finds that more than twice as many Americans think President Obama (58%) has a clear plan forward on the economy compared to Republicans in Congress (24%).

From CBS News:

Quote:

Home » Opinion » CBS News Polls
Poll: Dems Have 2006 Advantage
Bush, Republican Congress Show Nearly Record Low Ratings

NEW YORK, May 9, 2006 | by Jennifer Hoar

(CBS) President Bush and the Republican Congress show nearly record low ratings while Democrats are viewed much more favorably in their performance on the issues that matter most to Americans, according to the latest CBS News/New York Times poll.

Only 31% of those polled approve of Mr. Bush's job performance and 68% believe the United States is worse off today than it was before Mr. Bush became president.

I betcha that number jumped from 68% to above 80% this year.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

I don't particularly see alot of liberals or Democrats posting alot of approval ratings for Congress the last couple of years.

Hmm, they should - approval ratings for Congress have taken a pretty sharp turn for the better since November.They're still low, obviously, but better than they were.

When all the Democratic majority in Congress did was blocked by the Republican President, both their popularity ratings dropped, as nobody was getting what they wanted. But now that the Democratic-controlled Congress is cooperating with the Democratic President, its ratings are up significantly.

This dynamic is underlined by the numbers c.i. is referring to: the Democrats in Congress are a lot more popular than the Republicans in Congress.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

And I suppose you are different?

No idea. I would hope that I'm able to acknowledge when polling data shows that a majority of those polled doesn't agree with my particular point of view on a given issue.

That doesn't necessarily mean that I have to change my opinion, but it's also no reason to dismiss the polling data out of hand. Which is kind of how your post came across.

okie wrote:

P.S. I care when polls disagree with what I believe, but I don't particularly enjoy dwelling on them.

Okay, fair enough.

okie wrote:

I think everyone is that way. I don't particularly see alot of liberals or Democrats posting alot of approval ratings for Congress the last couple of years.

Well, given that you were replying to a post by nimh, who posted detailed polling data on pretty much any race or state in the run-up to the past elections - no matter whether the results looked positive for Democrats or for Republicans - I'd say that you were barking up the wrong tree.

Generally speaking, your observation is certainly true, though.

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

That doesn't necessarily mean that I have to change my opinion, but it's also no reason to dismiss the polling data out of hand. Which is kind of how your post came across.

I didn't dismiss the data out of hand. I asked the question "who cares," which is a very legitimate question. I am sure nimh cares, as that is his specialty, but for alot of us, it is not an end in itself, it is only a sidelight to the pertinent issues. I am interested in polling to a point, but to endlessly cite polls and dissect them in numerous ways strikes me as over-kill, akin to beating a dead horse.

Polls are okay to a point, but my aversion to them after a moderate dose of them strikes me as leading to a manipulation of public opinion, not simply measuring it. We knew that Clinton governed by polls, and I remember the time he determined where to go and what to do on vacation, based on a poll. I suspect that Obama is engaged in similar tactics, and such politicians strike me as very manipulative, not genuine leaders, when they govern in that fashion. And I am not going to shape my opinion, based upon what everybody else thinks. Hopefully, there are more important principles than that for more than a few people, still existing in the world, and America today?

Polls can also be a measurement of how astute the populace is, as well as how good the politician is. A poll can also be greatly affected by how the questions are asked, or how they are framed, and the wording of the multiple choice answers. And in polls, you can get conflicting answers from the very same sample being polled.

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@okie,

okie, You're the only one that over-kills here, so quit your blabbering about nothing. nimh provides all of us with polls with his analysis; all you do is bitch like a woman.

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@cicerone imposter,

We see the same over kill now with the Census Bureau, which analyzes everything they can think of, to the point of ridiculous in my opinion, and is a great example of a bureaucracy run amok.

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@okie,

Your opinion about most topics have zero value to me.

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@cicerone imposter,

Then we're even. Call it a day.

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@okie,

Isn't it strange that more people challenge what you say more than they do mine.

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I am waiting for the Greek chorus to rise up from the front of the stage and sing out... "The only poll that matters is the one on election day."
Any discussion of polls usually includes that profundity.
("profundity" RJB, you are a mere turnip. Stop using words like profundity and the Greek chorus thing? You turnip).

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That was a great idea by sombody, to fly a jumbo jet slow and low round over Manhattan.

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@realjohnboy,

:-)

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

That was a great idea by sombody, to fly a jumbo jet slow and low round over Manhattan.

I agree. Gives the impression of one a bit over infatuated with his new toys.

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