Obama '08?

@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, You seem to forget not only the fact that Bush started the war in Afghanistan, but the Taliban lived there when they attacked the US.

The Saudis let the US use their country during the first Gulf War, and Bush not only danced with the Saudi king, but kissed him on the cheek.

So, what's your point?

The point is exactly what I said. Using liberal reasoning, the Taliban did not attack us. The criminals attacked us, the ones that lived here in the U.S. You and others never bought the Bush Doctrine, so I am just stating the situation as it was and is, without the Bush Doctrine.

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@okie,

okie made this claim:

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The point is exactly what I said. Using liberal reasoning, the Taliban did not attack us.

Now, show us where any "liberal" said or implied the Taliban didn't attack us?

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@cicerone imposter,

You are mis-interpreting what I said. I did not mean to say liberals say the Taliban did not attack us, I am merely saying that if you apply liberal reasoning, you would say the Taliban did not attack us. Remember, you cannot use the Bush Doctrine.

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@okie,

Okay, show us the liberal thinking? You're a master at interpreting other people's statements and reasoning/thinking, so I'm sure you can provide us with several or many examples.

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@cicerone imposter,

The Taliban government did not attack us, ci. If you don't use the Bush Doctrine, how can you justify war against the Taliban?

I am using liberal reasoning. Just trying to get you to be consistent.

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@okie,

The "Taliban government?" ROFLMAO

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@cicerone imposter,

Yes, the Taliban government, the government in charge in Afghanistan before we threw them out. What are you laughing about?

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@okie,

From Wiki:

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The Taliban (Pashto: طالبان ṭālibān, also anglicised as Taleban; translation: "students") is a Sunni Islamist, predominately Pashtun fundamentalist religious and political movement that governed Afghanistan from 1996 until 2001, when its leaders were removed from power by Northern Alliance and NATO forces.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

No, but you don't offend people on your first meet no matter who they are. Maybe that's the Bush way, but we now have a president who understands good international politics.

BTW, nobody is perfect, so don't expect perfection or miracles from Obama.

You conservatives/republicans have a habit of calling Obama messiah which shows total ignorance. He's our president.

Let me be clear. I have never called Obama messiah. I also do not expect perfection, and it's a darn good thing. "You conservatives/republicans" is a rather broad generalization.

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@roger,

I never claimed "you" called Obama messiah. It has to be broad, because many of those conservatives/republicans/MACs have their own idea about definitions. What do you suggest we use?

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@cicerone imposter,

Sorry. That was based on your use of the word "you", in direct response to my post.

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@roger,

If I did that, my apologies. My mistake.

What I really wrote was:

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You conservatives/republicans have a habit of calling Obama messiah which shows total ignorance. He's our president.

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@cicerone imposter,

Yes, exactly as quoted.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

From Wiki:

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The Taliban (Pashto: طالبان ṭālibān, also anglicised as Taleban; translation: "students") is a Sunni Islamist, predominately Pashtun fundamentalist religious and political movement that governed Afghanistan from 1996 until 2001, when its leaders were removed from power by Northern Alliance and NATO forces.

ci, not being sarcastic here, but your posts seem to be missing the points made in the posts here, more often than in the past. I can only speculate, but it could be more "senior moments" for you.

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@okie,

You wrote:

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Yes, the Taliban government, the government in charge in Afghanistan before we threw them out. What are you laughing about?

When you say "we" instead of the UN, you imply the US was alone in that effort. The so-called "Taliban government" was really an underground government that the UN recognized for what it was, and "threw them out."

It was never a viable government recognized by the international community.

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@cicerone imposter,

Without us in Afghanistan, the U.N. would be worthless, was worthless, and is still worthless, ci. Same thing in Iraq, we had allies, but without us, nothing would have gotten done. I consider the U.N. a partisan and corrupt organization anymore, and basically without any resolve to do anything militarily.

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@okie,

Wrong, cookie brain. The Northern Alliance were Afghans who wanted independence from the Taliban. The US did not get involved until 2001.

Iraq was a disaster, because the US got involved there. We ended up killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis while it cost US taxpayers billions upon billions of dollars. We lost more in Iraq than we lost from the Taliban destruction in NYC or elsewhere in the US.

That you consider the UN a "partisan and corrupt organization" means absolutely zilch. We are a founding member of the UN, and we are still members.

You must learn to get your head out of your arse to see daylight.

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@cicerone imposter,

Who knows how the Northern Alliance would act had they taken power. Remember that we supported al-Qaida, and we know how they expressed their appreciation. We should have helped the Russians destroy them all.

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@Advocate,

At one time, we even supported Saddam. The world is in a constant flux of change.

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AP Poll: Americans high on Obama, direction of US

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_Nearly 80 percent believe that the rising federal debt will hurt future generations, and Obama is getting mixed reviews at best for his handling of the issue.

And yet, the percentage of Americans saying the country is headed in the right direction rose to 48 percent, up from 40 percent in February. Forty-four percent say the nation is on the wrong track.

Not since January 2004, shortly after the capture of former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, has an AP survey found more "right direction" than "wrong direction" respondents.

So far, Obama has defied the odds by producing a sustained trend toward optimism. It began with his election.

But he is aware that his political prospects are directly linked to such numbers. If at the end of his term the public is no more assured that Washington is competent and accountable and that the nation is at least on the right track, his re-election prospects will be doubtful.

"I will be held accountable," Obama said a few weeks into his presidency. "You know, I've got four years. ... If I don't have this done in three years, then there's going to be a one-term proposition."

The AP-GfK poll suggests that 64 percent of the public approves of Obama's job performance, down just slightly from 67 percent in February. President George W. Bush's approval ratings hovered in the high 50s after his first 100 days in office.

While there are clearly some bad signs for him, overall, his ratings ain't too bad and it is good that more Americans like the direction the country is going for whatever reason.

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