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@McTag,

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The fact is that our military has been more precise than any military in the history of man in regard to avoiding civilian casualties.

The fact is that is the precise opposite of what the fact is.

Because of the imperative to minimise US troop casualties, remote bombardments/ air strikes are used as the tactic of choice in recent operations. The result of that is increased civilian casualties.

I think you are making generalities that are as, or even more, unsupportable as those to which you object. Do you really mean to imply that the U.S. military has been less precise than any other in history in avoiding civilian casualties??

The truth is air strikes and artillery are far more accurate today than even a decade ago. The fact that they are the "tactics of choice" in some operations does not mean they are such in all of them or even an excess of them. In many cases, sending in unsupported ground forces would not necessarily result in fewer civilian casualties, and would certainly expose our forces to greater losses.

There are, of course, other ways of minimizing one's own casualties in military operations - primarily by avoiding direct conflict as is being done in some areas of Afghanistan and was done in Basra in Iraq until recently. Unfortunately others then must often take up the slack and pay the price.

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The fact is that our military has been more precise than any military in the history of man in regard to avoiding civilian casualties.

That is complete shite. The men used to go off into fields well away from non-military personnel, throw a few stones and fence a bit with pointed sticks, do a deal and go back home with honour intact and boast to the women.

For thousands of years.

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What happened to Padellia is something that has been going on in the U.S for years. If some political bureaucrat decides they want your ass unless your a billionare or have high friends in government they will get it.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

One of your cutest qualities, Okie, is your tendency to divide our nation up into 'producers' and 'constituencies.' As if one group does all the work, and the other merely live off of the largess. I do not find this to be the case whatsoever.

Cycloptichorn

I didn't divide them up, and to be accurate, there are alot of people that produce, but not as much. As with any generalization, there are gradations, marginal producers, low producers, non-producers, average producers, and very high producers, and so forth. I do not do the dividing, I am merely describing what happens.

I just don't think rewarding low production or non production too highly, or punishing high production, are good ideas. They do not help the economy. What if in a classroom, the A students are given C+s, while the F students are given C-. What would you think would happen?

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@Advocate,

Wasn't he convicted of a crime and sentenced to 17 years in prison?

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@maporsche,

He was finally tried and released for lack of evidence! 7 years in jail at Gitmo! I believe the part about having to be a millionaire to get even a scintilla of attention from the media! Madoff will never see jail time! Too big! Too important! Even gets to keep the million dollar apartment and 64 million, reportedly belonging to wifey! Yeah, right!

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@teenyboone,

Wikipedia says that he's currently "Incarcerated, ADX Supermax Prison in Florence, Colorado".

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

One of your cutest qualities, Okie, is your tendency to divide our nation up into 'producers' and 'constituencies.' As if one group does all the work, and the other merely live off of the largess. I do not find this to be the case whatsoever.

Cycloptichorn

I didn't divide them up, and to be accurate, there are alot of people that produce, but not as much. As with any generalization, there are gradations, marginal producers, low producers, non-producers, average producers, and very high producers, and so forth. I do not do the dividing, I am merely describing what happens.

I just don't think rewarding low production or non production too highly, or punishing high production, are good ideas. They do not help the economy. What if in a classroom, the A students are given C+s, while the F students are given C-. What would you think would happen?

You seem to forget that the point of school is to learn. 'A' students will still have garnered the same knowledge no matter what arbitrary grade you assign them.

But that's besides the point. What you describe is an artificial distinction designed to create two separate groups who are treated differently in your mind. This allows you to continue justify preferential treatment for certain people without feeling discriminatory.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

okie talks about "low production workers" as if they are common in the work place. Can he be more specific and tell us where he finds such people? How and where exactly are low production workers rewarded?

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@maporsche,

I gather he was railroaded, having a weak defense team. The conviction is under appeal.

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@teenyboone,

I spoke to a judge last night, asking about Madoff. He predicts Madoff will get 15 years, which, due to his age, is a life sentence. Madoff is 70. Stealing $50 B, he should, at a minimum, get life.

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@Advocate,

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I spoke to a judge last night, asking about Madoff. He predicts Madoff will get 15 years, which, due to his age, is a life sentence. Madoff is 70. Stealing $50 B, he should, at a minimum, get life.

word is that Madoff was talking about 50 billion in claimed assets, that the money he took in minus the money that they can find ONLY! equals about $20 billion. His theft was $20 billion, the assets that his marks thought that they had but do not is $50 billion.

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@hawkeye10,

Oh yeah, and make sure Madoff gets his tax cuts, because we don't want to transfer his riches to the poor through taxes.

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@okie,

so your interpration of high production is a CEO who loses billions of dollars for a company and its shareholders but gets multimillion compensation. I dont like too knock people but in this case ill make an exception. Your dumb as a rock!!!

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@rabel22,

rabel, Did you just figure that out about okie? ROFL

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@hawkeye10,

Hmmm, only $20 B. I guess they will give him only six months.

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@Advocate,

That's fine, every conviction get's appealed.

I just wish I knew what Teenyboone was talking about!

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

One of your cutest qualities, Okie, is your tendency to divide our nation up into 'producers' and 'constituencies.' As if one group does all the work, and the other merely live off of the largess. I do not find this to be the case whatsoever.

Cycloptichorn

I didn't divide them up, and to be accurate, there are alot of people that produce, but not as much. As with any generalization, there are gradations, marginal producers, low producers, non-producers, average producers, and very high producers, and so forth. I do not do the dividing, I am merely describing what happens.

I just don't think rewarding low production or non production too highly, or punishing high production, are good ideas. They do not help the economy. What if in a classroom, the A students are given C+s, while the F students are given C-. What would you think would happen?

You seem to forget that the point of school is to learn. 'A' students will still have garnered the same knowledge no matter what arbitrary grade you assign them.

But that's besides the point. What you describe is an artificial distinction designed to create two separate groups who are treated differently in your mind. This allows you to continue justify preferential treatment for certain people without feeling discriminatory.

Cycloptichorn

One way to learn is to be accurately graded for prior efforts of learning. It will not build up the F, D, or C students by tearing down the A and B students. Healthy competition is good. Keeping accurate score in a game, raises the level of play for everyone. Allowing winners and losers provides an incentive to compete. And even the losers benefit, as they achieve more than they expected to, plus they learn from losing. Sometimes losing is healthier than winning, if it teaches us how to play the game more skillfully and efficiently. People shielded from their mistakes are destined to repeat them.

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@cicerone imposter,

No. I have realized that he dosent live in the real world but as I said I dont like to put people down but that post was too much for me.

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@rabel22,

rabel22 wrote:

No. I have realized that he dosent live in the real world but as I said I dont like to put people down but that post was too much for me.

I gave thumbs down on ci's post that I think you refer to, so can you please tell me what was wrong with the post?

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