DontTreadOnMe
 
  2  
Wed 18 Feb, 2009 04:13 pm
"Dude! Where'd my Change go ???"

so far, all i'm seeing and hearing is the same old partisan boooolshit...

except for obama, who god bless 'im, seems to actually be trying to get **** done.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 18 Feb, 2009 04:14 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cyclo, You say "if he violated laws..." My challenge to okie was "is what he did illegal?" Where the phuk are you coming from?
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genoves
 
  -1  
Thu 19 Feb, 2009 01:03 am
@genoves,
And,now we have the wonderful opportunity of seeing another Illinois scumbag,Senator Burris, under investigation forperjury. The Chicago Tribune, the chief backer of Barack Obama in the presidential election demanded that Burris resign his SenateSeat---

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Newspapers, watchdogs and lawmakers are calling for Sen. Roland Burris to resign after he admitted he tried to raise money for ousted Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

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powered by BaynoteMajor newspapers, government watchdogs and Illinois lawmakers are all calling for Sen. Roland Burris to resign after he admitted he tried to raise money for ousted Gov. Rod Blagojevich -- the man who appointed him to the Senate despite being accused of seeking favors for the seat.

The latest call for Burris' resignation comes from Rep. Phil Hare, D-Ill., who is the first member of his state's U.S. congressional delegation to demand Burris step aside.

In a statement Wednesday, Hare said he is "deeply disappointed that Senator Burris hid the fact that he attempted to raise money for former Governor Blagojevich at the same time he was lobbying for an appointment to the U.S. Senate."

"It's like a recurring nightmare," Hare said. "Our state and its citizens deserve the whole truth, not bits and pieces only when it is convenient."

Burris made the admission of his fundraising efforts to reporters late Monday, saying he asked friends to give cash to Blagojevich on the request of the governor's brother, Rob, but was unsuccessful.

"So some time shortly after (President) Obama was elected, the brother called. And now in the meantime, I'd talked to some people about trying to see if we could put a fundraiser on. Nobody was -- they said we aren't giving money to the governor. And I said, 'OK, you know, I can't tell them what to do with their money,'" he told reporters at a Presidents Day Dinner in Peoria, Ill.

Over the weekend, the senator who has been in office since Jan. 15 said he had more contact with Blagojevich advisers about the Senate seat than he had described under oath to the state House panel that recommended Blagojevich's impeachment. The Democrat said in the affidavit, but not before the panel, that the governor's brother asked him for fundraising help.

The Chicago Tribune and The Washington Post also called for Burris, who filled Obama's vacated seat in the U.S. Senate, to step down.

"This latest revelation makes a mockery of his professions of no quid pro quo. It is a violation of the public trust. The people of Illinois have suffered enough. Mr. Burris should resign," the Post wrote in an editorial Wednesday.

Click here to read The Washington Post editorial.

In an editorial posted on the Chicago Tribune Web site Tuesday night, the paper said that with Burris' "third version" of his dealings with Blagojevich, "the benefit of the doubt had already been stretched thin" and that with his latest admission, "it finally snapped like a rubber band, popping him on that long Pinocchio nose of his."

Click here to read the Chicago Tribune editorial.

"There is only one honorable action for Burris: resign," the newspaper concluded. "Strip this whole wretched process out of the hands of the politicians and give it back to the people."

U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., also said Wednesday that his colleague's testimony "was not complete." Durbin, who is traveling in Greece, said the Senate ethics committee is launching an investigation and that he will await the results.

Though Burris insists he never raised money for Blagojevich while the governor was considering whom to appoint to the seat Obama vacated, the revelation that he had attempted to do so is likely to increase the calls for Burris' resignation and an investigation into whether he committed perjury before the panel.

Illinois Democrats have sent documents related to Burris' testimony to a county prosecutor for review. In Washington, a good-government group recommended Burris' expulsion from the Senate if an ethics committee investigation shows he lied to Senate leaders.

Burris earlier in the week said he didn't do anything wrong and encouraged officials to look into the matter.

"I welcome the opportunity to go before any and all investigative bodies ... to answer any questions they have," he told reporters in Peoria.

Burris also said he planned to release later this week "a concise document" related to his testimony, but he would not elaborate.

Burris had indicated his interest in the Senate seat to gubernatorial aides, including Robert Blagojevich, before the November election. Lawmakers of both parties have said Burris should resign after he admitted over the weekend that he had talked to several aides of the governor before getting the Senate post. During his testimony before the panel, he said he remembered talking only to one aide about the seat and did not say he was hit up for campaign donations.

The new affidavit submitted to the impeachment panel indicated contact not only with Robert Blagojevich, but with Blagojevich's former chief of staff John Harris and two other close friends -- all of whom Burris had been specifically asked about by the committee's top Republican.

"You would think those would be the kind of people you'd remember you had a conversation with," said Rep. Gary Hannig, a Litchfield Democrat and a member of the impeachment committee.

Rep. Barbara Flynn Currie, a Chicago Democrat and chairwoman of the impeachment panel, said Tuesday the committee has no plans to recall Burris to answer questions about the supplements to his story.

Illinois House Speaker Michael Madigan called Sangamon County State's Attorney John Schmidt on Tuesday and alerted him to the package of material he was sending, but did not make any comments on the situation, Madigan spokesman Steve Brown said. Schmidt released a statement saying only the matter is under review.

The watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington called for prosecutors to review Burris' statements for possible perjury and for an investigation into whether Burris misled U.S. Senate leaders.

"If so, the ethics committee should recommend that the Senate expel Sen. Burris for improper conduct that reflects upon the Senate," said Melanie Sloan, the group's director.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., "supports Sen. Burris' decision to cooperate" with any investigation, a spokesman said Tuesday.

Reid and his No. 2, Durbin, initially refused to seat Burris because he had been appointed by Blagojevich three weeks after the governor was arrested on federal charges that he tried to profit from the Senate appointment. They relented on the condition that Burris testify before the impeachment committee.

Though Durbin confirmed an ethics probe, Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., chairman of the Senate's ethics committee, declined to comment Tuesday on whether the panel would investigate Burris. A spokeswoman for Boxer would not say whether a case would be opened but said preliminary inquiries begin whenever there are "allegations of improper conduct."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Now,if the Senate will not force him out( they wont), he will not be re-elected in 2010 since the powerful Tribune has already demanded his resignation.

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genoves
 
  -1  
Thu 19 Feb, 2009 01:06 am
@genoves,
And,now we have the wonderful opportunity of seeing another Illinois scumbag,Senator Burris, under investigation forperjury. The Chicago Tribune, the chief backer of Barack Obama in the presidential election demanded that Burris resign his SenateSeat



After Revelations, Calls For Burris' Resignation Mount
Major newspapers, government watchdogs and Illinois lawmakers are all calling for Sen. Roland Burris to resign after he admitted he tried to raise money for ousted Gov. Rod Blagojevich -- the man who appointed him to the Senate despite being accused of seeking favors for the seat.

The latest call for Burris' resignation comes from Rep. Phil Hare, D-Ill., who is the first member of his state's U.S. congressional delegation to demand Burris step aside.

In a statement Wednesday, Hare said he is "deeply disappointed that Senator Burris hid the fact that he attempted to raise money for former Governor Blagojevich at the same time he was lobbying for an appointment to the U.S. Senate."

"It's like a recurring nightmare," Hare said. "Our state and its citizens deserve the whole truth, not bits and pieces only when it is convenient."

Burris made the admission of his fundraising efforts to reporters late Monday, saying he asked friends to give cash to Blagojevich on the request of the governor's brother, Rob, but was unsuccessful.

"So some time shortly after (President) Obama was elected, the brother called. And now in the meantime, I'd talked to some people about trying to see if we could put a fundraiser on. Nobody was -- they said we aren't giving money to the governor. And I said, 'OK, you know, I can't tell them what to do with their money,'" he told reporters at a Presidents Day Dinner in Peoria, Ill.

Over the weekend, the senator who has been in office since Jan. 15 said he had more contact with Blagojevich advisers about the Senate seat than he had described under oath to the state House panel that recommended Blagojevich's impeachment. The Democrat said in the affidavit, but not before the panel, that the governor's brother asked him for fundraising help.

The Chicago Tribune and The Washington Post also called for Burris, who filled Obama's vacated seat in the U.S. Senate, to step down.

"This latest revelation makes a mockery of his professions of no quid pro quo. It is a violation of the public trust. The people of Illinois have suffered enough. Mr. Burris should resign," the Post wrote in an editorial Wednesday.

Click here to read The Washington Post editorial.

In an editorial posted on the Chicago Tribune Web site Tuesday night, the paper said that with Burris' "third version" of his dealings with Blagojevich, "the benefit of the doubt had already been stretched thin" and that with his latest admission, "it finally snapped like a rubber band, popping him on that long Pinocchio nose of his."

Click here to read the Chicago Tribune editorial.

"There is only one honorable action for Burris: resign," the newspaper concluded. "Strip this whole wretched process out of the hands of the politicians and give it back to the people."

U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., also said Wednesday that his colleague's testimony "was not complete." Durbin, who is traveling in Greece, said the Senate ethics committee is launching an investigation and that he will await the results.

Though Burris insists he never raised money for Blagojevich while the governor was considering whom to appoint to the seat Obama vacated, the revelation that he had attempted to do so is likely to increase the calls for Burris' resignation and an investigation into whether he committed perjury before the panel.

Illinois Democrats have sent documents related to Burris' testimony to a county prosecutor for review. In Washington, a good-government group recommended Burris' expulsion from the Senate if an ethics committee investigation shows he lied to Senate leaders.

Burris earlier in the week said he didn't do anything wrong and encouraged officials to look into the matter.

"I welcome the opportunity to go before any and all investigative bodies ... to answer any questions they have," he told reporters in Peoria.

Burris also said he planned to release later this week "a concise document" related to his testimony, but he would not elaborate.

Burris had indicated his interest in the Senate seat to gubernatorial aides, including Robert Blagojevich, before the November election. Lawmakers of both parties have said Burris should resign after he admitted over the weekend that he had talked to several aides of the governor before getting the Senate post. During his testimony before the panel, he said he remembered talking only to one aide about the seat and did not say he was hit up for campaign donations.

The new affidavit submitted to the impeachment panel indicated contact not only with Robert Blagojevich, but with Blagojevich's former chief of staff John Harris and two other close friends -- all of whom Burris had been specifically asked about by the committee's top Republican.

"You would think those would be the kind of people you'd remember you had a conversation with," said Rep. Gary Hannig, a Litchfield Democrat and a member of the impeachment committee.

Rep. Barbara Flynn Currie, a Chicago Democrat and chairwoman of the impeachment panel, said Tuesday the committee has no plans to recall Burris to answer questions about the supplements to his story.

Illinois House Speaker Michael Madigan called Sangamon County State's Attorney John Schmidt on Tuesday and alerted him to the package of material he was sending, but did not make any comments on the situation, Madigan spokesman Steve Brown said. Schmidt released a statement saying only the matter is under review.

The watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington called for prosecutors to review Burris' statements for possible perjury and for an investigation into whether Burris misled U.S. Senate leaders.

"If so, the ethics committee should recommend that the Senate expel Sen. Burris for improper conduct that reflects upon the Senate," said Melanie Sloan, the group's director.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., "supports Sen. Burris' decision to cooperate" with any investigation, a spokesman said Tuesday.

Reid and his No. 2, Durbin, initially refused to seat Burris because he had been appointed by Blagojevich three weeks after the governor was arrested on federal charges that he tried to profit from the Senate appointment. They relented on the condition that Burris testify before the impeachment committee.

Though Durbin confirmed an ethics probe, Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., chairman of the Senate's ethics committee, declined to comment Tuesday on whether the panel would investigate Burris. A spokeswoman for Boxer would not say whether a case would be opened but said preliminary inquiries begin whenever there are "allegations of improper conduct."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Now,if the Senate will not force him out( they wont), he will not be re-elected in 2010 since the powerful Tribune has already demanded his resignation.

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genoves
 
  -1  
Thu 19 Feb, 2009 01:13 am
@joefromchicago,
Does Cicerone Imposter have sons? It's too bad the Eugenics movement was not active at that time.

Joe from Chicago had better watch himself. All of his backers in Chicago like Roland Burris; Rod Blagovevich and "Quarters" Boyle are running into trouble and may go to the slammer. But maybe Joe can make some dough there, that is if they don't recognize him as the shyster who picks up half smoked stogies at 26th and California. Things are tough nowadays. Even two bit drug dealers are trying to stiff Joe on his fees.
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Advocate
 
  1  
Thu 19 Feb, 2009 09:51 am
The right's demand that Burris resign rings hollow to me. The right should first demand that Norm Coleman drop his bid for the contested senate seat. After all, Blago merely asked for payoffs, while Norm apparently RECEIVED $75,000 (and other payoffs) from a govt. contractor. (The FBI is now conducting an investigation of Coleman.)
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 19 Feb, 2009 11:00 am
@Advocate,
Of coarse it rings hollow; it's because the conservatives are unable to see the hypocrisy in it - or will never admit to it.
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okie
 
  0  
Thu 19 Feb, 2009 01:43 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

The right's demand that Burris resign rings hollow to me. The right should first demand that Norm Coleman drop his bid for the contested senate seat. After all, Blago merely asked for payoffs, while Norm apparently RECEIVED $75,000 (and other payoffs) from a govt. contractor. (The FBI is now conducting an investigation of Coleman.)

Sad thing is, Franken is another crook, so not a great choice in that race.
mysteryman
 
  0  
Thu 19 Feb, 2009 05:25 pm
Every damn one of them in Congress, if they have gotten so much as a speeding ticket, should be thrown out of office.
JTT
 
  1  
Thu 19 Feb, 2009 05:47 pm
@mysteryman,
Leaping onto a prairie dog's mound, MM takes the high ground.
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Diest TKO
 
  2  
Thu 19 Feb, 2009 06:35 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Advocate wrote:

The right's demand that Burris resign rings hollow to me. The right should first demand that Norm Coleman drop his bid for the contested senate seat. After all, Blago merely asked for payoffs, while Norm apparently RECEIVED $75,000 (and other payoffs) from a govt. contractor. (The FBI is now conducting an investigation of Coleman.)

Sad thing is, Franken is another crook, so not a great choice in that race.

Really? What did Franken do? You assert he's a crook, what is his crime?

T
K
O
mysteryman
 
  0  
Thu 19 Feb, 2009 07:29 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
Great idea, G. Keep your ******* nose out of other countries' affairs. You cause nothing but pain and suffering.


So, are you saying that the US has done absolutely no good in the world, in its entire 200+ year history?
JTT
 
  1  
Thu 19 Feb, 2009 08:08 pm
@mysteryman,
Don't be so phucking stupid, MM.
mysteryman
 
  1  
Thu 19 Feb, 2009 08:11 pm
@JTT,
I quoted you exactly.
If you think the quote was wrong, or if you think it wasnt understood, then you can clarify your remarks.

Otherwise, I quoted you word for word, so the mistake was yours, not mine.
JTT
 
  1  
Thu 19 Feb, 2009 08:12 pm
@okie,
Quote:
If Coleman is corrupt, then he should pay the price, as should every corrupt politician.


That's not the "defend the Bush crooks" Okie of old. When did you come into possession of a sense of morality?
JTT
 
  1  
Thu 19 Feb, 2009 08:15 pm
@mysteryman,
I know it was understood. As I said, don't be so phucking stupid.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 19 Feb, 2009 08:26 pm
@JTT,
okie is the father of morality; he knows who all the crooks and frauds are in Obama's administration.
mysteryman
 
  1  
Thu 19 Feb, 2009 08:28 pm
This is interesting...

Former Dem Sen: Obama Could Face War Crimes for Continuing Bush Policies

Quote:
The United States' presence in Pakistan and Afghanistan is only furthering the spread of terrorism and President Obama could be charged with war crimes, former Sen. Fritz Hollings (D-S.C.) wrote Wednesday.

"Why are we killing GIs to spread terrorism?" Hollings, a longtime (though now-retired) lawmaker asked in a blog post for the Huffington Post. "The best way to stabilize is to get out. It became a matter of conscience for me years ago."

Hollings argued that Obama's continuation of some of former President Bush's tactical strategies in the war on terror could make Obama liable for war crimes charges.

"Yesterday I read an article that it won't be long before charging President George W. Bush with war crimes for killing civilians in Pakistan with drones," he argued. "Now the same charge could be made against President Obama."

Hollings said there is no good reason for the United States to remain in Afghanistan, discounting arguments that more troops are need to enchance the stability of the region.

"What we can't understand is that we are creating terrorism in Afghanistan and Pakistan," he asserted.


http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/02/18/former-dem-sen-obama-could-face-war-crimes-for-continuing-bush-policies/

So now Obama is a war criminal also.
How interesting.

JTT
 
  1  
Thu 19 Feb, 2009 08:44 pm
@mysteryman,
Pretty much the nature of the beast, MM.
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genoves
 
  -2  
Fri 20 Feb, 2009 01:27 am
@cicerone imposter,
Do you have a link, Cicerone Imposter, or is your Senility kicking in again?
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