Obama '08?

But, Obama has been president for less than a month. He has lost 6% points in approval ratings since he was inaugurated. If this trend continues he will be down to 35% in no time. He will continue to get positive ratings from African-Americans and Hispanics,of course. Most African-Americans would have voted for Minister Farrakhan. The criterion( most understandable,of course,is blackness. Hispanics have been gulled into thinking that they would all be able to become citizens almost immediately. If Obama goes in that direction, he had better raise the Unemployment Rate so that whites don't think he has lost his mind.

OK- Let's go to the "SAINT"--The Messiah-

What does he( Obama) say about Social Justice in his speech to the NAACP?
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Obama: Social Justice Is Not Enough
September 8th, 2008 by webmaster | Filed under Economic Justice, Racism.

Obama’s NAACP Speech:
‘Our Work Is Not Over’
Cincinnati, July 14, 2008 -Tonight Senator Obama will address the 99th Annual Convention of the NAACP. Below are his remarks as prepared for delivery.
99th Annual Convention of the NAACP

By Barack Obama

It is always humbling to speak before the NAACP. It is a powerful reminder of the debt we all owe to those who marched for us and fought for us and stood up on our behalf; of the sacrifices that were made for us by those we never knew; and of the giants whose shoulders I stand on here today.

They are the men and women we read about in history books and hear about in church; whose lives we honor with schools, and boulevards, and federal holidays that bear their names. But what I want to remind you tonight " on Youth Night " is that these giants, these icons of America’s past, were not much older than many of you when they took up freedom’s cause and made their mark on history.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was but a 26-year old pastor when he led a bus boycott in Montgomery that mobilized a movement. John Lewis was but a 25-year old activist when he faced down Billy clubs on the bridge in Selma and helped arouse the conscience of our nation. Diane Nash was even younger when she helped found SNCC and led Freedom Rides down south. And your chairman Julian Bond was but a 25-year old state legislator when he put his own shoulder to the wheel of history.

It is because of them; and all those whose names never made it into the history books " those men and women, young and old, black, brown and white, clear-eyed and straight-backed, who refused to settle for the world as it is; who had the courage to remake the world as it should be " that I stand before you tonight as the Democratic nominee for President of the United States of America.

And if I have the privilege of serving as your next President, I will stand up for you the same way that earlier generations of Americans stood up for me " by fighting to ensure that every single one of us has the chance to make it if we try. That means removing the barriers of prejudice and misunderstanding that still exist in America. It means fighting to eliminate discrimination from every corner of our country. It means changing hearts, and changing minds, and making sure that every American is treated equally under the law.

But social justice is not enough. As Dr. King once said, “the inseparable twin of racial justice is economic justice.” That’s why Dr. King went to Memphis in his final days to stand with striking sanitation workers. That’s why the march that Roy Wilkins helped lead forty five years ago this summer wasn’t just named the March on Washington, and it wasn’t just named the March on Washington for Freedom; it was named the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.
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HOLD ON TO YOUR WALLET---SOCIAL JUSTICE IS NOT ENOUGH SAYS OBAMA. THE INSEPARABLE TWIN OF RACIAL JUSTICE IS ECONOMIC JUSTICE.

Note carefully that Obama equates Social Justice with Racial Justice.

That's a nice word isn't it? Justice!!!! That's the word Stalin used when he sent millions to the Gu lags.

Despots and dictators always hide behind great sounding things. Otherwise they would never gain power. Evil never comes in the name of evil. It is not uncommon for politicians to hide bad results with good intentions. After all, we tried, we had good intentions, thats the common excuse, never mind the fact that the policies never worked in the past, we can try them again because the policies are well intentioned. Behind the mantra of social justice may commonly be greed, wanting what someone else has without having to work for it and earn it.

The definition of social justice, as defined by some people, is much much different than equality of opportunity, it is more often equality of outcome. It matters not to them whether the outcome was earned or not.

Opposite what the two of you believe, millions have a different opiniom.

The concept of 'social justice' is part of our constitution, since we got this Basic Law in 1949:



Social laws and social justice are dealt with atSocial Courts, Superior State Social Courts and the Federal Social Court.

Despots and dictators that we've got since more than 60 years now ...

The Modern Little Red Hen

Once upon a time, there as a little red hen who scratched about the barnyard until she uncovered some grains of wheat. She called her neighbors and said, "If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?" "Not I," said the cow. "Not I," said the duck. "Not I," said the pig. "Not I," said the goose. "Then I will," said the little red hen. And she did.

The wheat grew tall and ripened into golden grain. "Who will help me reap my wheat?" asked the little red hen. "Not I," said the duck. "Out of my classification," said the pig. "I'd lose my seniority," said the cow. "I'd lose my unemployment compensation," said the goose. "Then I will," said the little red hen, and she did.

At last it came time to bake the bread. "Who will help me bake the bread?" asked the little red hen. "That would be overtime for me," said the cow. "I'd lose my welfare benefits," said the duck. "I'm a dropout and never learned how," said the pig. "If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination," said the goose. "Then I will," said the little red hen.

She baked five loaves and held them up for her neighbors to see. They all wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, "No, I can eat the five loaves myself." "Excess profits!" cried the cow. "Capitalist leech!" screamed the duck. "I demand equal rights!" yelled the goose. And the pig grunted. And they painted "unfair" picket signs and marched round and round the little red hen, shouting obscenities.

When the government agent came, he said to the little red hen, "You must not be greedy." "But I earned the bread," said the little red hen. "Exactly," said the agent. "That is the wonderful free enterprise system. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide their product with the idle." And they lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, "I am grateful. I am grateful." But her neighbors wondered why she never baked any more bread.

Then a politician from the city came out to the farm and said something needs to be done to shape up this farm, to change it, so that once again nobody goes hungry ever again. And so he promised that if they would vote for him as their new farmer, the government would pay the little red hen to bake more bread, but all the bread had to be given back to the government for equal distribution, in the interest of social justice. So the cow, duck, pig, and goose all voted for the city politician, and all were happy for a while, with their all new farmer in charge. Things were looking bright indeed.

Meanwhile, the little red hen was very discouraged, and began to figure out how she could disguise herself as a cow, duck, pig, or goose. This was no easy task, and all the while the little red hen even quit laying eggs, so that there was little hope of there being any little red hens after she died and went to farm heaven. In process of time, she did die, and all of her belongings, and even her henhouse, were taken from her through an inheritance tax devised by the new farmer in charge, to be given to the cow, duck, pig, and goose. Unfortunately, since none of these other inhabitants of the farm knew anything about her belongings, and never learned how to find wheat, plant it, harvest it, or bake bread, there began to be a very big famine on the farm.

End of story, for now.

By unknown author and edited by okie.

Once upon a time, there was a little American conservative.

He use to sit around thinking up ways to rationalize greed, lack of empathy, and racism.

Come to think of it...there were lots of American conservatives doing that back then...and they are still doing it right now.


End of story.

What is there to rationalize?

If I earn it, if I make it, if I produce it (whatever "it" is), then its mine to do what I choose to do with.

You nor anyone else has the right to tell me otherwise.

As a German, Walter Hintler, you don't have a hint as to what Social Justice means in the United States. You will find out soon enough when the declining birth rates of the Europeans and the soaring birth rates of the immigrant Muslims put them in power in European countries.


Germany has a real problem with its future public pension expenditures.

In 2050, public pension expenditures are expected to be 6.5 of GDP in the United States, 16.9 percent in Germany, 17.3 percent in Japan and 24.8 percent in Greece.

Germany has a shrinking economy and a shrinking and aging population. Thirty percent of German women are now childless, among German University graduates, it's forty percent.

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Take care of your own house first, Walter!!

Oops, sorry... I thought I made that clear.

Greed, lack of empathy, and racism.




That's a good start. Keep working on it.



Yeah, I like that.

Write that on your tax return forms and send 'em in blank. Those scumbags at the IRS. You'll show them.

Frank, Good retort; some people don't know when to quit.

"....
She baked five loaves and held them up for her neighbors to see. They all wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, "No, I can eat the five loaves myself." "Excess profits!" cried the cow. "Capitalist leech!" screamed the duck. "I demand equal rights!" yelled the goose. And the pig grunted. And they painted "unfair" picket signs and marched round and round the little red hen, shouting obscenities.
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Thanks for illustrating the point, Frank.

Okie- don't waste your time. Frank Apisa will not give you any evidence or documenation. He will only give you his own opinion. He may do that, of course, but it doesn't mean much.

When Frank Apisa was railing on about "racis", I defined it-Dictionary definition and dared anyone to show how this dictionary definition fit any conservatives.

I got no answer. When faced with data,they can give no answer!

Okie- You are correct. Thank you for your heads up on the term--Social Justice meaning EQUALITY OF OUTCOME. The left prates about Equality and says that it is racism, racism, racism that is blocking good African-Americans and Hispanics from good jobs--such as partners in big law firms.

The FACTS given below show that African-Americans are not able to compete even with AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
Law Firms Still Lag in Minority Hiring
By: David Rubenstein and Jennifer Juarez Robles
The top echelon of Chicago's largest law firms are as white today as they were three years ago, according to a survey by The Chicago Reporter. Since 1987, the biggest, most influential firms have brought on 250 new partners, only five of them black, two Hispanic and two Asian. In other words, the firms have filled partner slots with 27 times more whites than minorities.

A more encouraging trend was found among the legal rank and file, the entry-level associates. While the total number of associates has increased by 16 percent, the number of minority associates has grown more than twice as fast, by 35 percent.

Other highlights of the survey, which was developed in part by journalism students at Roosevelt University, include:


There were 27 minority partners in early 1990, compared to 25 minorities at the same firms in 1988 and 24 in 1987. Blacks, Asians and Hispanics were stuck at 1.2 percent of all partners in each of the three years examined in the survey.
Sidley & Austin, the largest law office in Chicago, had one black partner. The number two and three largest firms, Mayer, Brown & Platt and Katten, Muchin & Zavis had none.
In 1989, there were only eight Hispanics among the roughly 2,000 partners in 21 of Chicago's largest firms. Among the top five firms in Chicago, there was only one Hispanic partner, at Mayer, Brown.
The number of minority associates climbed to 130 in 1990 from 96 in 1987.
Three firms - Katten, Muchin; Altheimer & Gray; and Seyfarth, Shaw, Fairweather & Geraldson - did not employ any Hispanic attorneys in the past three years. And two firms - Schiff, Hardin & Waite and Altheimer & Gray - did not hire any Asians.
While the total number of summer associates - minority and white - increased by 24 percent at 20 firms, the number of minorities in this category has nearly doubled since 1987. Summer associates are law school students who work as apprentices for the firm and may be offered jobs after graduation. Last summer, 73 minorities, including 47 blacks, worked for 20 of the large firms compared to 37 minorities, 24 blacks, at these firms in 1987.
Not one of Chicago's 25 biggest firms has an American Indian partner. There is one entry level Native American attorney, an associate at Sidley & Austin, the law firm with the most minority associates.

These statistics are based on surveys asking about minority representation from 1987 to 1989 that the Reporter sent to Chicago's 25 largest law firms, as ranked by Crain's Chicago Business Several of the firms did not respond or provided incomplete data, so the survey was augmented with minority hiring data from the Directory of Legal Employers, published by the National Association of Law Placement, a 19-year-old educational agency for those involved in legal recruiting.

Few Minority Graduates
Many of the firms surveyed said that the reason they do not hire more minorities is that there are too few highly qualified blacks and Hispanics.

"The law firms only want the cream of the crop, but there are fewer minority attorneys available at that level," said Steven H. Pugh, one of two black partners among 700 partners in 21 firms analyzed.

"If your experience as a law firm is to hire from the top 15 law schools in the nation and then only the top 25 percent of the class, you have just about taken minorities out of the picture," said Pugh of Chapman & Cutler. "I think you are only talking about a pool of 100 [minorities]. And all the law firms are going after that same number."

Indeed, American Bar Association (ABA) data show that for every minority who graduated from the nation's top 25 law schools in 1989, as ranked in US. News and World Report, there were six whites.

Closer to home, minorities were even less well-represented. There were 14 whites for every minority who graduated in 1989 from the three top-25 schools in Illinois: University of Chicago, Northwestern University and University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.

Not only do few blacks and Hispanics attend big-name schools, they tend to have lower grades than their white counterparts, law firms complain.

While no data is available on students' grades by race, minorities' scores on the Law School Admission Test (LSAT), considered a reliable predictor of future law school performance, are 10 points lower than whites', according to the Law School Admission Council in Newton, Penn., which is affiliated with the group that oversees the LSAT. The mean for all test-takers is 32; the mean for minorities is 22 on a scale of 10 to 48.

Associate Dean Robert Clayton of Tulane University Law School explained the implications of LSAT data, using an example from the University of Chicago. In 1989 the average LSAT score for an entering freshman there was 44, and only 48 blacks out of 5,000-plus law school applicants score that high, said Clayton, a member of the council committee that compiled the figures.

"What that means is that you are introducing, based on your admission criteria, black and Hispanic students who are predicted to finish in the bottom 50 percent of the class," he said. And the higher the standards of the school, the further down in class rank minorities are likely to be.

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Does anyone else wonder why it was so important the stimulus bill pass immediately before virtually anyone could read it, then when passed, Obama jets off to various places and won't even sign the bill until when, Tuesday? How arrogant is that?

Does anyone know how bad this bill really is? The Republicans that voted for this, you should be ashamed of yourself. Specter, you were a sucker. You bought into the idea that something needs done, so do anything even if its wrong. What garbage!

I'm with Rush, I hope Obama fails, so that ultimately the country can succeed. I want the country to succeed, but Obama's policies are not the way to do it.

okie, Are you for real? This plan has been on-going long before Obama was sworn into office. FYI, congress members have staff to review all legislation; it's not necessary for any congress member to read every word in every legislation.

You also have a short memory; when Bush was president, congress passed a $700 billion fund to save the banks and finance companies without so much as a boo! Now that this administration and congress wants to help main street, all you do is complain and try to find fault.

Where did you lose your common sense?

I thought the 700 billion was another ill thought out solution, I was not in favor of it. It needed alot more thought before passing out money. Where did the money even go?

None of the things that really need done to fix the problems are even being discussed.

Says M[WesleySnipes]M.

Fact of the matter is, okie, we cannot control congress once they are elected into office, and they will do as they damn well please - with our without "your" approval.

Great idea, G. Keep your ******* nose out of other countries' affairs. You cause nothing but pain and suffering.

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Okie- You are correct. Thank you for your heads up on the term--Social Justice meaning EQUALITY OF OUTCOME. The left prates about Equality and says that it is racism, racism, racism that is blocking good African-Americans and Hispanics from good jobs--such as partners in big law firms.

The FACTS given below show that African-Americans are not able to compete even with AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
Law Firms Still Lag in Minority Hiring
By: David Rubenstein and Jennifer Juarez Robles
The top echelon of Chicago's largest law firms are as white today as they were three years ago, according to a survey by The Chicago Reporter. Since 1987, the biggest, most influential firms have brought on 250 new partners, only five of them black, two Hispanic and two Asian. In other words, the firms have filled partner slots with 27 times more whites than minorities.

A more encouraging trend was found among the legal rank and file, the entry-level associates. While the total number of associates has increased by 16 percent, the number of minority associates has grown more than twice as fast, by 35 percent.

Other highlights of the survey, which was developed in part by journalism students at Roosevelt University, include:


There were 27 minority partners in early 1990, compared to 25 minorities at the same firms in 1988 and 24 in 1987. Blacks, Asians and Hispanics were stuck at 1.2 percent of all partners in each of the three years examined in the survey.
Sidley & Austin, the largest law office in Chicago, had one black partner. The number two and three largest firms, Mayer, Brown & Platt and Katten, Muchin & Zavis had none.
In 1989, there were only eight Hispanics among the roughly 2,000 partners in 21 of Chicago's largest firms. Among the top five firms in Chicago, there was only one Hispanic partner, at Mayer, Brown.
The number of minority associates climbed to 130 in 1990 from 96 in 1987.
Three firms - Katten, Muchin; Altheimer & Gray; and Seyfarth, Shaw, Fairweather & Geraldson - did not employ any Hispanic attorneys in the past three years. And two firms - Schiff, Hardin & Waite and Altheimer & Gray - did not hire any Asians.
While the total number of summer associates - minority and white - increased by 24 percent at 20 firms, the number of minorities in this category has nearly doubled since 1987. Summer associates are law school students who work as apprentices for the firm and may be offered jobs after graduation. Last summer, 73 minorities, including 47 blacks, worked for 20 of the large firms compared to 37 minorities, 24 blacks, at these firms in 1987.
Not one of Chicago's 25 biggest firms has an American Indian partner. There is one entry level Native American attorney, an associate at Sidley & Austin, the law firm with the most minority associates.

These statistics are based on surveys asking about minority representation from 1987 to 1989 that the Reporter sent to Chicago's 25 largest law firms, as ranked by Crain's Chicago Business Several of the firms did not respond or provided incomplete data, so the survey was augmented with minority hiring data from the Directory of Legal Employers, published by the National Association of Law Placement, a 19-year-old educational agency for those involved in legal recruiting.

Few Minority Graduates
Many of the firms surveyed said that the reason they do not hire more minorities is that there are too few highly qualified blacks and Hispanics.

"The law firms only want the cream of the crop, but there are fewer minority attorneys available at that level," said Steven H. Pugh, one of two black partners among 700 partners in 21 firms analyzed.

"If your experience as a law firm is to hire from the top 15 law schools in the nation and then only the top 25 percent of the class, you have just about taken minorities out of the picture," said Pugh of Chapman & Cutler. "I think you are only talking about a pool of 100 [minorities]. And all the law firms are going after that same number."

Indeed, American Bar Association (ABA) data show that for every minority who graduated from the nation's top 25 law schools in 1989, as ranked in US. News and World Report, there were six whites.

Closer to home, minorities were even less well-represented. There were 14 whites for every minority who graduated in 1989 from the three top-25 schools in Illinois: University of Chicago, Northwestern University and University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.

Not only do few blacks and Hispanics attend big-name schools, they tend to have lower grades than their white counterparts, law firms complain.

While no data is available on students' grades by race, minorities' scores on the Law School Admission Test (LSAT), considered a reliable predictor of future law school performance, are 10 points lower than whites', according to the Law School Admission Council in Newton, Penn., which is affiliated with the group that oversees the LSAT. The mean for all test-takers is 32; the mean for minorities is 22 on a scale of 10 to 48.

Associate Dean Robert Clayton of Tulane University Law School explained the implications of LSAT data, using an example from the University of Chicago. In 1989 the average LSAT score for an entering freshman there was 44, and only 48 blacks out of 5,000-plus law school applicants score that high, said Clayton, a member of the council committee that compiled the figures.

"What that means is that you are introducing, based on your admission criteria, black and Hispanic students who are predicted to finish in the bottom 50 percent of the class," he said. And the higher the standards of the school, the further down in class rank minorities are likely to be.

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